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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Setekh on November 17, 2004, 06:31:34 am
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http://gateworld.net/news/2004/11/scifirenewsisg-1iiatlantis.shtml
Season 2 of Atlantis, too.
Personally, I wanna see it all capped off. Jaffa freed, Goa'uld owned, what's up with those advanced-yet-stupid Asgard, and the crazy plans of the Replicators. Oh and yeah, where are the Furlings?
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Kickass. But I think your hopes won't be fulfilled. ;)
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Flim?
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Cool. :) shame that Jack O'Neil is not in team anymore and seems he is not regular actor in season 9
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He'll show up in only four episodes on season 9, apparently.
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Ugh, I imagined this would happen. SG1 isn't going to be nearly as good without him. :(
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As an avid SG fan, I don't want to say this, but I fear Season 9 wont be very good. With Amanda Tapping's baby probably taking up a crapload of her time, and Richard Dean Anderson wanting yet more time away from the set, we're left with two characters who can have a lot of story devoted to them. Which means They'll need to bring in new characters as, IIRC, they've specifically stated Jonas wont be coming back, at least, not as a regular. Two core characters and a bunch of new ones? Not good prospects.
Still, this is Stargate, so I keep my hopes (and expectations) higher than for most.
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
As an avid SG fan, I don't want to say this, but I fear Season 9 wont be very good. With Amanda Tapping's baby probably taking up a crapload of her time, and Richard Dean Anderson wanting yet more time away from the set, we're left with two characters who can have a lot of story devoted to them. Which means They'll need to bring in new characters as, IIRC, they've specifically stated Jonas wont be coming back, at least, not as a regular. Two core characters and a bunch of new ones? Not good prospects.
Still, this is Stargate, so I keep my hopes (and expectations) higher than for most.
X-files stylee (actually, the X-files fell apart and got dull even before the movie was out, so not strictly a valid point). It all depends on good casting - if they get that right, then should be fine.
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They said this was the last season. :hopping:
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RDA is an executive producer on the show, also, at 54, he's the oldest of the bunch by far and is probably tired of it.
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I've found Atlantis thoroughly boring and directionless so far. Hopefully the second season will rise above the "Stargate Lite" level.
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SG-1 was kinda dull in the beginning too.
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so when do sg1 an atlantis come out of reruns. im growing impatient here.
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Big Stargate fan.
I am kinda upset that season 8 has not even completely aired. I do not understand why they decided to air starting in July and then break. Shooting for the remaining Season 8 shows ended Oct 8, so we should be seeing them very soon, I would think. I read in SG magazine that these latter Season 8 episodes are suppossed to tie up a TON of loose ends, which is goos, since SG1 has TWO tons of loose ends.
Ya know, Jonus has been out as a regular character for a couple seasons now, so I do not see why this is a concern for Season 9.
With Amanda due in March, according to her official website, Micheal Shanks wanting to spend more time with his two kids, and RDA wanting more time for family, I think Season 9 will mostly center around taking a close look at Judge's character. Which is good, since we do not know much of Teal'c's 100 years of life. I suspect we will see Baal defeat the System Lords and then he himself getting pWn3d by the forces of Earth and the Asgard, thus the Replicators raking over as bad guys #1 for the last part of Season 9.
I wonder if the SGC will ever become public. I would like to see the characters get their due in the story world.
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This sounds good...SG-1 still seems to have life in it. BUT, I don't want to see them overdo it. When its time to end it...its time to end it. So perhaps they need to seriously tie things up over the rest of Season 8 and Season 9 and reach a conclusion. Doesn't have to be a total conclusion but they need to find a very high note to end on.
Meanwhile, Atlantis, from what I've seen has been great and has lots of potential.
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Originally posted by Eviscerator
I wonder if the SGC will ever become public. I would like to see the characters get their due in the story world.
Sounds like an ideal subject for the series finale. After the SGC goes public, things would have to change so much it would hardly be the same show anymore.
I predict people looking up at an Asgard ship cruising over [major recognizable landmark] just before the final credits roll.
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atlantis is suposed to regain contact with earth at the end of the season and there sending an ubberfied Prometheus to smack down a few raith ships rapeing them from orbit.
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I heard the same thing Bob, but has it been confirmed? They still need to retake the city from the wackos holding it at the end of the Summer Season Finale (stupid stupid stupid)
Zylon, you read my mind! I tend to think that is how it will go out too. Anybody besides me think that saving Earth more times than can be counted is deserving of a CMH, yo? For the entire team, yo?
As far as Atlantis goes.... I am very sorry to say that I am FAR from impressed with it.
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I think Atlantis is showing new episodes on Sky in the UK now. (If not I'd love to know what the source for the episodes I've downloaded is :D )
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Originally posted by Styxx
Kickass. But I think your hopes won't be fulfilled. ;)
I can dream. ;) Also, perhaps for the first time ever, Australia is actually screening current-season SG-1 episodes on Thursday nights. They just showed Icon, which is alright - can't wait to see Avatar next week.
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Originally posted by karajorma
I think Atlantis is showing new episodes on Sky in the UK now. (If not I'd love to know what the source for the episodes I've downloaded is :D )
have you seen the episode were they retake the city from the nut jobs trying to make a nuke?
(and if so were did you find it)
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Originally posted by Bobboau
there sending an ubberfied Prometheus to smack down a few raith ships rapeing them from orbit.
Ugh. The Wraith are a big part of my growing apathy toward Atlantis. This race supposedly almost destroyed the Ancients, yet so far they've been depicted as little more than snarling, drooling space vampires. And the whole, "Welcome to our planet! We have a plan to defeat the Wraith but we just need a hundred more years of R&D!" routine is getting really old, really fast.
Now that I think about it, the Wraith kind of remind me ST:Voyager's Kazon.
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/*does not disagree*/
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Have you considered that maybe the Wraith were much more populous during the war with the Ancients? It could be that Ancients were victorious in every conflict and were slowly ending the Wraith threat, but that friendly losses finally mounted to the point where they had no choice but to return to Earth since their genepool was pared down too small.
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Originally posted by Liberator
Have you considered that maybe the Wraith were much more populous during the war with the Ancients? It could be that Ancients were victorious in every conflict and were slowly ending the Wraith threat, but that friendly losses finally mounted to the point where they had no choice but to return to Earth since their genepool was pared down too small.
I don't think so - the first episode mentioned that the city was being bombarded from orbit wby the Wraith, IIRC. Even the most numerous enemy would require technology to both get that close to the enemy homeworld and to actually hurt it. Given the superweapon on Earth, the Wraith must have been really powerful to get into that position.
Not that you can see it in the current series, natch.
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Right. The level of technological sophistication (and general intelligence) shown by the Wraith has been less than impressive. On the other hand, the Ancient technology has been pretty uneven too.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
have you seen the episode were they retake the city from the nut jobs trying to make a nuke?
(and if so were did you find it)
Seen it. I've got the one after it in fact (although I haven't seen that one yet).
Got them both on Usenet but I'm surprised if you're having trouble finding them.
Originally posted by ZylonBane
Ugh. The Wraith are a big part of my growing apathy toward Atlantis. This race supposedly almost destroyed the Ancients, yet so far they've been depicted as little more than snarling, drooling space vampires. And the whole, "Welcome to our planet! We have a plan to defeat the Wraith but we just need a hundred more years of R&D!" routine is getting really old, really fast.
Now that I think about it, the Wraith kind of remind me ST:Voyager's Kazon.
One theory I heard is that the wraith were more powerful than the Ancients but after the Ancients ascended they used their new powers to devolve the wraith to a much more primative tech level so that they wouldn't be as big a threat. Then after doing that they were so horrified by what they'd done that they instituted the policy of non-interferance that we see today (one so strong that they wouldn't even do something about Anubis who is after all a problem they caused).
Not to sure I like the theory that much but it does make more sense than the Wraith being able to beat the Asgard with their current tech.
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yeah i think there something fishy with teh wraith - other tahn tehf act they can heal themselves nothing much special about them - i'd say the goauld could take them no prob hell a stinger missile took down one of there ships i'd bet money it wouldn't so much as scartch an asguard ship
and as for teh ancients being defeated hm i had a thought on this
we know the ancinets were suffering from a plauge - perhaps realising that they couldn't beat the ancients they created a plauge to do it
as the wraith cant see through the ancients cloaking tech - there weapons while do damage dont destroy a puddlejumper wihtout some amount of effort but the reverse is not true - puddle jumpers easily take down wraith darts
and this is in another galaxy right so why dont they jsut haul out that doohicky jack made power it up again it provided enough power to go visit galaxys on the far side of the universe so........
failing that while that had that zpm they could have powered the gate up quickly and sent a puddle jumper home to earth
ahhhh anyway anyway hopefully they wont go past that point at which the series falls into ****tyness
atlantis so far only seen upto to the ep with the ritual suiacide and teh zpm shielding them - got afew issues with the show but otherwise i like it
jsut got to mention teh biggest complaint i have - surely teh plans for building a brand new fully powered up zpm is in the computers at atlantis also safe to assume that the manfacturing facilities are there too so............ build half a dozen send a couple home to earth to beat up the goauld with power up the city and as i seem to recall its capable of intergalatic travel so bring it home =)
oh another minor one but if power is an issue why haven't they installed a manual good old fashioned tritium and titatinum iris if they lsto power they would lose there energy shield over the gate also the iris is cool ok rant over
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I've seen only some of Atlantis but the Wraith seemed fairly impressive to me. The thing that really strikes me about them is that there's only a few of them awake. The rest are in hibernation...and one of their hibernation colonies is now moved elsewhere. I suspect there is alot of them, alot of things that they can do, and much that will happen if more of them are awake and hunting.
Remember, the Human group provoked an interest. They want to feed...and Earth is a nice source for feeding if they can get there.
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otehr that the fact theya re quite hard to kill i dont see anything impressive about them there tech is not taht good for a start - take beaming for example they seems remarkably good at missing - asguard transports never miss
also there primary mode of transport seems to be the stargate - you'd think if they were that good they would ahve there own system
there hand held weapons is effectly a big anc cumbersome zat and think of that why didn't they take zats with them but thought to pack tasers =/ taser needs refils packs and recharged a zat jstu works and at much longer range and 3 htis froma zat would probally still vapourise a wraith
with effectively unlimited time they couldn't breach teh shields of atlantis so yeah not overly impressed with them at all - clearly the ancients moved there expecting nto to have a fight expanded and had no military at all save afew puddlejumpers at atlantis so when the wriath appears preumably from hibernation they swept through the colonys becuase the ancients simply didn't have anything to stop them with but atlantis with its sheilds and weapons was never in any real danger - descided that the galaxy had cost them to much and simply wasn't worth the effort they went home to earth perhaps after having caught this nasty bug which then the desicded to ascend
one thing i think they need consider though is if the ancients didn't liek people using there advanced tech and interferened with the attempts use it in teh past why haven't they objected to a load of humans taking over atlantis?
ah well nevermind jsut a show - but they do need to amke the wraith seem nastier lets have some evidence of there atrositys etc - at the moment i've seen them eat only one person and teh eating process hmmmmm well they shoudl amke it gruesome - i mean a hand on yoru chest isn't nearly as grewsome as a snake biting its way through teh back of your neck ah the goauld had style =)
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umm, no offense, but you're english is very broken and almost impossible to read.
That said, it might be nice for Oma to show up and have a tete'a'tete with Weir and co. Also, the Ancients could be very aware of the event at Atlantis and vaguely approve since they've fought the Wraith before and think that Humanity is the best chance to defeat them.(though this is likely species bias as the Ancients were human as well.)
Here's another thought, the Tau'ri are the 5th race according to the Asgard.
1)Ancients(ancient Earth Humans, advanced genetically)
2)Asgard?
3)Furlings
4)Noks
5)Tau'ri(modern Earth Humans, stunted but learning)
Does this mean that the other advanced races are secondary to the Tau'ri and if so how exactly, aside from being the Inheritors of the Ancients.
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Originally posted by karajorma
One theory I heard is that the wraith were more powerful than the Ancients but after the Ancients ascended they used their new powers to devolve the wraith to a much more primative tech level so that they wouldn't be as big a threat. Then after doing that they were so horrified by what they'd done that they instituted the policy of non-interferance that we see today (one so strong that they wouldn't even do something about Anubis who is after all a problem they caused).
Not to sure I like the theory that much but it does make more sense than the Wraith being able to beat the Asgard with their current tech.
that sounds quite neat, but - why would the Ancients devolve the Wraith yet still allow them to be able to feed off the surviving humans?
Because the Wraith are still regarded as the scourge of the galaxy to the survivng humans, even if they haven't appeared as powerful as the ancients were (technologically, they do have some neat stuff - transporters & holograms ala the Asgard, gigantic star/hiveships, suspended animation, though).
Basically, they're still a threat to humanity. And given that the humans in the Pegasus galaxy are presumably in some way descended from / related to the ancients, then the Ancietns must have been aware of this.
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maybe the Tau'ri have the ability to become smarter, more adaptive, stronger, and More devious than their ancient counterparts...hopefuly without destroying themselves.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
that sounds quite neat, but - why would the Ancients devolve the Wraith yet still allow them to be able to feed off the surviving humans?
Maybe they recovered more quickly than the ancients expected. They had 3-4 million years after all IIRC. That was plenty of time for us to evolve space travel after all.
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Ability, maybe, be they're obviously nowhere near the level of the Ancients (or indeed, the Asgard & other formerly allied races)
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Originally posted by karajorma
Maybe they recovered more quickly than the ancients expected. They had 3-4 million years after all
No, IIRC they mentioned about how Atlantis became a myth when the few remaining ancients returned to Earth 15,000 years ago.
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Or maybe the Wraith have an inhibitor device that prevents the ascended ancients from entering Pegasus?
It'd give another reason for them being so decadent and overconfident. Their only threat can't touch them...
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Originally posted by Ace
Or maybe the Wraith have an inhibitor device that prevents the ascended ancients from entering Pegasus?
It'd give another reason for them being so decadent and overconfident. Their only threat can't touch them...
Well, the Ancients did have that thingymabob which could be used to capture energy beings (3rd /4th ep I think, bit black cloud thing), it's not impossible something similar could be applied against them as at the very least a shielding device.