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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: an0n on November 19, 2004, 02:36:52 pm
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Revered thinkers within the movement like Ronnie Lee, founder of the Animal Liberation Front, want to go much further than closing down zoos and circuses.
"To create a world that is fair to the other creatures on it we have to have some policy of reducing the human population so that would mean we would have to breed less."
How much less? Lee says a reduction in the British population from the current level of 60 million to just 6 million would be better for the animals. Lee is serious enough about reducing the population to have had a vasectomy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4020235.stm
They should introduce a 'natural selection law' whereby we don't have to wait for these morons to depopulate their mud huts and instead get to go in and cut their fu[color=2132122131][/color]cking throats.
I can't believe these morons are allowed to consume MY oxygen. It fu[color=2132122131][/color]cking sickens me that someone hasn't burned them all to death.
It is an offense to 10,000 years of human civilization and BILLIONS of years of natural selection that these people are allowed to continue to pollute the Earth with their presence.
Most people are Dwarves standing on the shoulders of Giants. These cockholes are Dwarves standing on the ground screaming "Let's dig!".
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There there, its going to OK.
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Lee is serious enough about reducing the population to have had a vasectomy.
Darwin striketh again :D
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(http://www.maddox.xmission.com/bigpot6.jpg)
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Originally posted by an0n
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4020235.stm
They should introduce a 'natural selection law' whereby we don't have to wait for these morons to depopulate their mud huts and instead get to go in and cut their fu[color=2132122131][/color]cking throats.
I can't believe these morons are allowed to consume MY oxygen. It fu[color=2132122131][/color]cking sickens me that someone hasn't burned them all to death.
It is an offense to 10,000 years of human civilization and BILLIONS of years of natural selection that these people are allowed to continue to pollute the Earth with their presence.
Most people are Dwarves standing on the shoulders of Giants. These cockholes are Dwarves standing on the ground screaming "Let's dig!".
Chill An0n... stupid people are everywhere...
Alltough I don't disagree with him completely.
There is currently more than 6 BILLION people on earth and the number is rising fast. That is mostly due to to some specific contries in which people breed like rabbits.
India, China and Africa spring to mind. China has a 1-2 child support program to encourgae people to have less progeny. Other countries should follow (western countries don't have to...they are OK as it is)
The ideal number of humans on the planet woud be 4 billion (based on the consumption, food supply and everything else)
Earth is limited in size and renewable supplies. hundereds of animal species are allready extinct, even more are dying every day and the world get's raped and polluted more and more.
I like Greenpeace...
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Greenpeace are ****ing morons.
They ****ed up a deal to feed starving children because they were morally opposed to genetically modified crops.
So basically, they sat in their homes, stuffing their mother****ing faces with a million kinds of food and told starving children that they couldn't have any food because it was wrong to genetically modify food to stop them starving to death.
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*sigh* stupid idiots afraid of GM food just becuase they don't even know what DNA is. *shakes head* Oh and an0n, don't forget PETA.
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PETA!? PETA!?!!?
[size=9]RRRRAAAAAAGGGGGHH!!![/size]
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exactly what I think
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I concur. Had I the money, I'd hire a billboard outside PETA's HQ and cover it with freshly skinned mink.
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Had I[/b] the money, I'd hire a billboard outside PETA's HQ and nail freshly skinned PETA members to it.
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I've said it before. Peta and other anti-vivisectionists should be made to carry around their own version of donar cards. That way if they lose an arm in an industrial accident they only get drugs that weren't tested on animals....
...like a couple of asprin.
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eh, their heart is in the right place.
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i dont like vegans for their discrimination against plant life :D
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Originally posted by Nuke
i dont like vegans for their discrimination against plant life :D
If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them of meat. ;)
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Originally posted by Rictor
eh, their heart is in the right place.
No it isn't. Someone who is willing to let people die of cancer or watch their mind rot away from altzhiemers just cause they think lab mice are cute really needs to get their f**king priorities straight.
And those who are worried about the as yet completely unproven effects of GMO in comparison to the totally well known effects of starving to death need to be taken outside and forcibly shown that there are no transgenic effects even when you shove a genetically modified pumpkin up their arse.
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Originally posted by karajorma
I've said it before. Peta and other anti-vivisectionists should be made to carry around their own version of donar cards. That way if they lose an arm in an industrial accident they only get drugs that weren't tested on animals....
...like a couple of asprin.
:nod:
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environmenalists and animal rights activists make librals look bad
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no they don't.
yeah, caring about the environment is such a terrible thing, or making sure that animals don't suffer needlessly.
that said, I disagree with many of the actual policies, though I support the movement in a general fashion.
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Normal, common-sense enviromentalism is not bad. When you get to things like PETA, that's a sign of things having gone far beyond what they should....
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It's when they descend to the level of blatant hypocracy that gets me.... be nice to animals, but feel free to stalk and abuse people who work in labs? And do they turn down medical aid if it's tested on animals? Do they ****
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They've been working on a policy of Terrorism for years, and not much was done about them ;)
But I agree, responsibility is one thing, but this is taking responsibility to extremes.
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These people piss me off to no end. What were animals meant to do? Multiply, eat food, get eaten, rinse and repeat? What are humans meant to do? Tranform the earth for a more intelligence species to live. If, as they say, meat is murder, then murder tastes damn good.
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I could understand if they were campaigning to preserve old growth forsests, or to decrease output of toxic chemicals from factories. But when they start complaining about people eating meat, they need a basic education in the design of the human body. It's designed to be omnivorous. A prominent sign of this is the combination of teeth designs present in carnivores and omnivores. It's unnatural for people not to eat meat.
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There's a difference between the environmentalists and the animal rights activists.
I consider myself an environmentalist because I would like the destruction of the environment to be prevented, but it isn't on moral grounds. It's simply the fact that if we destroy the environment, we're going to die.
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Exactly.
Good thing that where I live, even in the most populated areas there are still tons of trees.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
It's when they descend to the level of blatant hypocracy that gets me.... be nice to animals, but feel free to stalk and abuse people who work in labs? And do they turn down medical aid if it's tested on animals? Do they ****
The ALF defiled the grave of some poor woman whose husband bred guinea pigs to send to medical labs recently. ****ing evil terrorist scum.
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Originally posted by SadisticSid
The ALF defiled the grave of some poor woman whose husband bred guinea pigs to send to medical labs recently. ****ing evil terrorist scum.
Ah, yes. This was where they stole the body of a grandmother. Very nice work, really spreading a message worth spreading.
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A couple of years ago a prisoner in the UK went on hunger strike. The news mentioned him all the time and I followed it with some small amount of interest until I learnt what the guy had done.
Apparently he was an animal rights activist. A member of the Animal Liberation Front (who were somewhat big a while ago in the UK). He decided that since the Imperial Cancer Research Fund (A charity who devote their time to raising money for research into a cancer cure) supported animal research that made them a valid target.
So he set out to firebomb ICRF charity shops. These are shops selling second hand items to raise money. They're usually run by retired people who give their time up for free.
After that I decided that not only did I not care if the bastard starved himself to death but that if I worked at the prison I would have made a point to eat my dinner in front of him. That or thrown bacon at him to see at what point his resolve would give in. :D
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These people actually hurt the enviromentalist cause. Look here at this topic, just because of anger against these morons they are saying things against animals and environment.
The best way to reduce human population (more than 6 billion will make life hellish to everyone, it is already that for most of humanity) is giving good education to people and equal rights to women. Well educated people and integrated women have way less children and these children are not used as cheap labor in some Nike factory. There are no other way to test chemicals than animals, blame our tech level, but it is possible to make tests without cruelty.
All environment question can be solved with political lobby, education and peopple who use their brains. These stupid, f****** morons only make people think than anyone interested in living in a better planet is an idiot (some posts here prove that) like the al-qaeda make all muslims look like suicidal bombers. It's sad that many people have to suffer because of the idiocy of others. But, well, that's happens since the dawn of history...
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I love nature and respect and cherish all life in all formes.
I really don't belive humantiy to be so superior as we think we are (epscially not when the shivans come and blow us all to dust).
Enviroment needs to be protected from both a logical and a moral standpoint.
Logical - we cannot exist without nature. the pollution levels in some areas are allready extreeme. 90% of water in all rivers and lakes polluted, and water is the source of life. Then let's not forget ozon holes, smog, acid rains, and stuff like that...
For a moral point of wiev - killing or torturing any sentient form of life for anything but survival is just plain wrong. Very simple...
As for the meat thing - yeah. Humans more or less need meat. While you can live off veggies, they are poor in some substances meat has in abdundance. And vice-versa. In other words - humans are made to eath both, and not getting both can be bad for your health (not seriously bad, but still bad)
Untill the day we have replicators, I really can't see how anyone can have anything against eating meat.
Fur on the other hand is a different thing...
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Wait...they're against zoos?! Are they completely ignorant of the fact that zoos around the world sponsor thousands of coordination efforts to save endangered species? The only thing these people deserve is a Darwin Award, and fast.
P.S. Hehe at the Maddox pic. :p
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This guy is a classic example of right idea, wrong reasons. If I'm rememberigng my numbers right (and even if I'm not, the basic sentiment is correct), every American has an ecological footprint of 10.3 ha. That's the amount of land it takes to feed, clothe and supply each american every year. Theirs is the highest in the world, but the rest of the western world is prettyt high too. If we were to bring the quality of life for the entire human population up to the European average (which is about six or so) then we'd need 3 planets. Even if you try to account for technological and agricultural advances, the footprint couldn;t possibly decrease by more than half, so we'd still be overusing our globe. The environment and population numbers simply don't add up.
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"Lee is serious enough about reducing the population to have had a vasectomy. "
I think he's got the right idea, now if only we can get them all to think this way.
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Unfortunately that wouldn't solve the problem, since environmental extremism isn't hereditary.
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Originally posted by an0n
PETA!? PETA!?!!?
[size=9]RRRRAAAAAAGGGGGHH!!![/size] [/B]
errr.....Peta?
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Originally posted by Nuke
i dont like vegans for their discrimination against plant life :D
Which means you would hate the half-billion Indian Vegetarians (probably more) simply because of what they eat? That includes me ya know :P
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I agree, humans were able to develop a relatively advance civilization because of a diet of high energy protein and fat. If we were vegetarians we won't have enough time to do anything else then eat because we need to eat huge amounts of vegetables just to fuel our bodies.
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Humans are animals, we kill and eat other animals and plants much like most other animals, we don't care about the animals we eat this is a result of the fact that if we did we would be dead, anyone who was stupid enough to over expand there cultral alignment to include animals fails to reproduce effectively, that's why the vasy majority of people are at least sane enough to not firebomb medical research facilities, a masquido doesn't care about you so you shouldn't care about the lab rat.
someone find an animal rights forum for us to invade, or direct them to this thread, I'm in the mood for some moron bashing.
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I smell forum war!
*takes up rifle.
Lets go!
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Originally posted by Singh
Which means you would hate the half-billion Indian Vegetarians (probably more) simply because of what they eat? That includes me ya know :P
first off dont like != hate
to better explain my point, im puting in an exerpt of a tool song :D
And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear. And terror possesed me then. And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?" And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust." And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus.
maynards pretty brainy, and he has a way of explaining things to even the most brain dead of stoners. :Di have just harvested a small patch of my boss's potatoes. which i did most of the work. mixing dirt with a roto tiller, and digging all those foot deep holes, and in the piss poor south-east alaskan rain. anyway i got to take home anything that got stabbed. i should understand that eating those potatoes was like eating my own children (after bathing them in the fry daddy of course). although they made an attractive side dish to my lemon pepper pork chops, it still saddend me to consume them, but only about as much as eating the other white meat. when a vegan assumes that the pig has a soul, why do they not assume the same for the potato? though a potato is a far cry from a human, who is to say that the potato has no feelings. i find this quite arrogant way of thinking. just because it is a veritable does not mean it hasnt the right to live, damn you people make me sick!
anyone who has seen the last episode of mythbusters, knows that peas grow better when they are talked to nicely, and really good when listening to death metal (anyone know what band that was, i need to d/l some mp3s). this is why those young people who feel that life is tyrany have to listen to death metal otherwise theyd kill themselves. any pea that lives to serve humans with their demise would feel the same way, unfortunately a pea cannot kill itself. when they listen to death metal it makes them feel beter about themselves and thus grow better. i feel sorry for those damn peas.
it really doesnt matter, because soon i will execute my final solution to the human problem. :D
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good point in a sense, but sorry, i'd still take my Vegetables anyday. :P
(not that I eat much anyway....)
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Hahahahah at the mythbusters thing, that was hilarious. Talking to plants makes them grow better: "plausible" rofl who would've thought
for the guy who asked PETA is people for the ethical treatment of animals, ask Penn & Teller about it. They like to blow up medical research facilities and teach people how to make bombs out of plastic bottles.
As for the african nations rejecting the bioengineered corn, they were right on and had good reasons. A friend of mine was in Malawe wit hthe Peace Corps at the time, a country that accepted the corn. All the kernels were coated in the green fertilizer stuff, and people died because they didn't believe the authorities when they said it was for planting only and ground it into green flour. Also the engineered stuff didn't produce fertille seed (because the bio company wants you to buy more, obviously, except this was donated to a third world nation that could never do any such thing), so any farmers that planted were totally ****ed the next season because they had no seed for another crop. All in all a really ****ty situation and not something you wanted to be involved in.
Greenpeace was wrong about it killing you and being wierd mutations and stuff, and they should all be tied to a tree and beaten with a stick, but they were right about not using the corn. It grew into perfectly healthy corn, it just trashed the economy of the entire country when it only grew once.
On the vegan issue, there are some people with legitimate medical reasons to be vegitarians. Those folks are ok. For all the people who do it because they don't want to kill cute fuzzy animals, why don't you take a stand on a serious moral issue or join the peace corps and donate your time and skills to helping feed starving people, instead of whining about my hamburger. You can whine after you've earned the right to.
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I don't mind vegitarians, as long as they don't stop me from eating meat. Mind, in some restaurants, I'd rather take the veggy meal instead of the meat, but that's just suspicious meat. Now, if the entire globe would shift to being vegetarian, we'd save a lot of food. Eh? A cow eats more foodstuffs then the meat will give. So if we only hate those that were used for milk production and then got too old, and/or only let them graze on land were the ground is too poor to produce grain, we'd be able to feed a decent sized third world country. Mind, to do this, some other stuff needs to happen first, and that isn't looking like it's going to happen.
On the other hand, vegetarians who buy leather hats/coats are way offf. Shoes, I might be able to understand for the single reason that non-leather hiking shoes and whatever are bloody near impossible to get, but leather coats and stuff, that's just off.
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As for the african nations rejecting the bioengineered corn, they were right on and had good reasons. A friend of mine was in Malawe wit hthe Peace Corps at the time, a country that accepted the corn. All the kernels were coated in the green fertilizer stuff, and people died because they didn't believe the authorities when they said it was for planting only and ground it into green flour. Also the engineered stuff didn't produce fertille seed (because the bio company wants you to buy more, obviously, except this was donated to a third world nation that could never do any such thing), so any farmers that planted were totally ****ed the next season because they had no seed for another crop. All in all a really ****ty situation and not something you wanted to be involved in.
Firstly: It's their own stupid fault for not listening to simple goddamn instructions. You could give them bottles of water and they could all die from inhaling it, so should we not send them water? It's common goddamn sense if someone hands you seeds that you've never seen before and tells you not to do something with them, you don't ****ing do it.
Secondly: One crop is better than no crop.
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i didnt even give my pleather rant, how rude of me. manufacture of synthetic materials pollutes the atmosphere. real leather, like the kind i wear, lasts forever, and is rather cost effective, and furthermore does not pollute the atmosphere. i dont even want to know what chemical compounds pleather is composed of, and im sure it produces toxic fumes when burned. and besides pleather is totally gay, a non-gay person has no buisness wearing pleather.
ok, no more tequilla for me :D
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About the leather thing, you know how much methane a cow/pig produces by farting? More then heavy industry.
And the path from skin to leather is quite chemicly enhanced too. We don't piss in a barrel no more, so the stuff as to come from somewhere.
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1 human being emits as much CO2 per day as about half a European car :) A Cow emits something like 15 times that, not including Methane. These are both 'greenhouse' gasses.
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As for the methane, if a vet is smoking while looking at the cows arse for some reason, and the cow farts, the vet just lost his moustache. And if there is a haystack near, bye bye farm.
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Originally posted by Singh
Which means you would hate the half-billion Indian Vegetarians (probably more) simply because of what they eat? That includes me ya know :P
Vegan != vegetarian.
Vegans are either people from the Vega star system or people who don't believe in eating anything that came from an animal. That doesn't mean just no meat. It also means no eggs and no dairy products. Due to the fact that this diet would eventually kill you from malnutrition they are forced to eat vitamin suppliments to make up for the nutrients not present in their food.
Either way the term describes someone not living on this planet. :lol:
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Random though: I'd respect Greenpeace if they bought a submarine and started torpedoing Japanese whaling/shark fishing ships.
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No, you wouldn't. You mourn them.
The Japanese hate war, but if you **** with their stuff they'll still blow the **** outta you.
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Well, as Billy Connoly said about French Nuclear tests in the Caribbean...
'Have they found some kind of use for glow in the dark seaweed?!' ;)
Whilst I agree with the basic principles of conservation, and not abusing resources which are becoming more and more obviously finite, I think responsibility is more called for than the Evolutionary equivalent of 20 Hail Mary's for humanity ;)
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I think we should pre-empt the inevitable downfall of civilization and appoint me ruler of the Earth before the roaches take over.
I don't wanna have to learn to speak in clicks and hisses.
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You can lead the resistance, lead Elite hunt and spray squads.
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It's just a matter of being smart you see, unless you bought some land on moon or mars from the same guy who sold you the golden gate this planet is the only one where we can live. Not a very smart move for a species if they let their homeworld die with them trapped on it. Who needs shivans?
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Who needs the homeworld when we have the technology to leave it behind.
If it weren't for all the slackers and wasters and those who wish to do no work and live a life of luxury, this world could be a paradise.
This is why I advocate eugenics.
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Originally posted by an0n
Who needs the homeworld when we have the technology to leave it behind.
If it weren't for all the slackers and wasters and those who wish to do no work and live a life of luxury, this world could be a paradise.
This is why I advocate eugenics.
Basic theory of communism: get everyone off their asses and working. Nobody sits around and does no work; if they do, they starve.
But then, even the best theories fall to the corrupted practices of the human race. Nothing short of wide-scale disaster and a general problem that affects us directly will stop this.
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We may well supply our own inertia in that case ;)
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Originally posted by an0n
This is why I advocate eugenics.
What makes you think you wouldn't be first up against the wall?*
*to be shot..
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My ability to shoot first.
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soon we will begin our nuclear bombardment of antartcica
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Originally posted by Nuke
soon we will begin our nuclear bombardment of antartcica
why?
just why?
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It's those Penguins, I see them! Watching us they are, and growling to each other with their frozen little voices....and watching.... always watching....
Be careful when you open the Freezer, that's all I'm saying ;)
G'nght ;)
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Psst... Bears = Arctic. Penguins = Antarctic. The man hates pengins methinks.
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Poo, I knew if I picked one, it'd be the other :(
Post edited :D
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other than having a penguin bbq, if we used enough nukes, it would flood the earth, then in a few millin years it would all ice up again and give evoltuion one more shot at doing it right, its like hitting the reset button.
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Ctrl-Alt-Del on Evolution :lol:
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I've learned to deal with Vegitarians since my sister is one of them, a fine 25 year old girl she is. My only real sister, and I love her very much. However, when she is over for dinner, no meat for the table, but whatever.
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We should have "Meat eaters only" signs on certain shops. The social pressure would eventually eradicate Vegetarianism.
We should also have "PETA not welcome" on all hospital doors.
This would also eradicate people, but in a different way.
[q] I'd respect Greenpeace if they bought a submarine and started torpedoing Japanese whaling/shark fishing ships.[/q]
Let's be honest, you'd respect anyone for doing that.
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This seems sort of vaguely appropriate for this topic:
(http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20041119l.jpg)
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Um... w00t?
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yes we can all agree that these people are insaine and need to be removed from the genepool.
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Just because they eat leaves and don't wear a corpse skin over their bodies. :D
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i like to wear dead things.
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I like them well done with a pepper sauce.
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Mmmmmmmmmmmm... Fresh Puppies! On a stick! :D
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McDoggles.
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I had a quarter pounder with cheese today... I just began to wonder why it tasted so... canine.
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(http://www.aqsx85.dsl.pipex.com/weinerdog.jpg)
Didn't look like this at all did it?
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Originally posted by Flipside
Ctrl-Alt-Del on Evolution :lol:
humanity.exe has encountered a fatal error. Abort? Retry? Fail?
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Originally posted by Flipside
(http://www.aqsx85.dsl.pipex.com/weinerdog.jpg)
Didn't look like this at all did it?
Y'know, I really don't want to find out how you got that picture......
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humanity.exe has encountered a fatal error. Abort? Retry? Fail?
Format.
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I think PETA and Greenpeace are doing a good job.
At least they care about what's going on.....
This is somewhat aimed at increasing an0n's blood pressure