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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: vyper on November 25, 2004, 10:07:55 am
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http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,65817,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1
I wonder where they got the idea of using a passenger liner as a weapon from?
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Interesting concept...I agree with them, I think it probably is about time to retire the P-3.
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It's unusual but not unheard of to make military aircraft from an airliner. The Nimrod AEW is based on the old Comet airliner: http://website.lineone.net/~redgoose/history.htm
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The article vyper posted mentions the Nimrod.
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Originally posted by vyper
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,65817,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1
I wonder where they got the idea of using a passenger liner as a weapon from?
He-111
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There's a whole line of military aircraft based on the 707, after all.
Loads of AWACS, AEW, and whatnot.
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Theres also a Boeing 737 with enormous machine guns mounted along the sides iirc?
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That's a Herc. AC-130.
Modified Lockheed Hercules with a ****load of guns down one side.
Unless they've done the same to a 737, of course.
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Originally posted by Flipside
Theres also a Boeing 737 with enormous machine guns mounted along the sides iirc?
Isn't that a C-130?
EDIT; AC-130a Spectre it's called, apparently;
(http://www.flygplan.info/images/lockheed_c130a_gunship_1024x768.jpg)
(see gatling gun, etc, on RHS of picture)
EDIt; other piccy; http://www.airventure.de/historypics/ac_130gunship.jpg
There's also apparently a video from the guncam of one of these in Afghanistan.
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You may be right with the Herc, I'll have a look around though ;)
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Aha. Boeing make the AC-130U gunship, so you're half-right.
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IIRC, they have 2 x 20mm miniguns, 2 x 40mm Bofors, 1 x 105mm howitzer.
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Indeed. You all remember that first "Afghani-nightvision vision video of death", right? T'was from a Spectre Gunship.
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The AC130 (variants regardless) are scary as ****.
I wouldn't like to be around when one opens up.
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There are two Hercybird gunship variants - Spectre and Spooky. The difference is in the weapons config, but don't ask me which is which...
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Nothing beats the good old DC-3 gunship with the five 7,62mm minicannons....at least in coolness.:cool:
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http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/missiles/wep-harp.html
hey these things are real!
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Originally posted by Bobboau
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/missiles/wep-harp.html
hey these things are real!
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The Harpoon is only one of the most common antishipping missiles in the world, possibly the most.
As for the herc gunships, they're talking about putting lasers on them now. That's the ****.
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it was a joke, you know harpoon missles, what this comunity is founded on...
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the airborn laser system is already being fitted to a pair of 747s. should roll out soon after the f-22. mind you they have already tested, and successfully i might add, a prototype airborne laser system built inside a 707. advances in computerised targeting and more powerfull lasers should make them quite deadly. however if i was a the military, id fit the engines with halfnium reactors and integrate nuke launch capability, then you can keep the things airborne for about 4 months at a time. kinda like nuclear submarines, but faster and higher.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
IIRC, they have 2 x 20mm miniguns, 2 x 40mm Bofors, 1 x 105mm howitzer.
and the planned AC-X Son of Spectre will add a Chemical Oxygen-Iodine Laser (COIL) to it's loadout
pinpoint accuracy for destruction of enemy radar sites, etc without any collateral damage or explosions
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The P-3 Orion maritime patrol aircraft (read that: long-range submariner's nightmare) and its cousin the EP-3 are both based on the old Lockheed Electra airliner. It's not that strange.
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Is a Hercules-based gunship any use against a country with half decent air-defense, though? Afghanistan was a shoo-in, but did they use the things in Iraq (which had a bare modicum of AAAf, even if it was probably about 10 years old)?
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Originally posted by Bobboau
it was a joke, you know harpoon missles, what this comunity is founded on...
:ha:
;)
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Is a Hercules-based gunship any use against a country with half decent air-defense, though? Afghanistan was a shoo-in, but did they use the things in Iraq (which had a bare modicum of AAAf, even if it was probably about 10 years old)?
It's for when you have air superiority but still those pesky grunts on the ground to be taken care of.
There's a story of one Specter on the first Gulf War that was flying a night mission engaging an Iraqi tank formation... As dawn approached, they were ordered back home, but they didn't obey the order right away because there were just so many juicy targets around. Well, as it happens, when dawn broke and the Iraqis could actually see it, it was promptly shot down. I think none of the crew survived.
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It was just addition of a laser for guided strikes on radar targets that got me; surely radar targets imply an AAAf capability? (becuase you'd want to take them out first as part of removing that AAAf capability).
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Originally posted by PhReAk
He-111
Originally built for the army, only disguised as a "passenger and post plane". Germans were pretty keen on giving their military projects of 1930s a civilian passcode. Like "heavy tractors". Heavy tractors with 40mm of steel armour and a 37mm multipurpose gun.
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Originally posted by Janos
Like "heavy tractors". Heavy tractors with 40mm of steel armour and a 37mm multipurpose gun.
well, you know them gerbils, they can be pretty tough.