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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Flipside on December 03, 2004, 08:38:10 pm
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http://starwars.countingdown.com/movies/294597
The name 'Tom Cruise' makes me tremble a little, but interesting, none the less :)
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OLD.
And it'll suck.
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Can't be worse than the original.
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If its posted in todays times it might be alright.
Though it will probably end up like another Independence Day.
The original was alright, what are you on about?
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Oh, I don't know, I'd quite enjoy one set in the style of the album, back in Victorian Britain when it was written, I think that'd be much more fun to be honest ;)
Edit : Could be worse, could be a musical, can you imagine Tom breaking into a Song and Dance routine for 'Thunderchild?' :nervous:
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Here are 2 reasons why it will be a must see :D :D
(1) Steven Spielburg will be directing it :D
He has my vote and it will be a must see for me..
(2) Tom Cruise is a superb actor.
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*Shudders*
No thank-you, I'd rather not imagine that.
The problem with movies that are set in the past is that they always come across to cheesy, I just don't like the feel. There have been some successfull ones in my eyes anyway.
Some war movies like Saving Private Ryan etc. They come across as true and serious though, unlike others which just crap me off.
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One word (sci-fi)
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Theres a tendency to glorify the 'Smog' era of British history in Hollywood, you'd be amazed how many people still think London looks like a set from Sherlock Holmes ;)
As long as they don't try and do accents, that's always where they screw up, from Mary Poppins to Titanic. If they kept it as grim and superstitious as those times actually were, then it might work....
Oh yes, and cast British actors all round :nervous:
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I thought Cruise was busy making a film about the Americans winning the Battle of Britain?
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Oh the Irony.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388940/
The American guy Cruise will be playing in that particular film was an Olympic athlete who - while a pleasant and relatively good man - shot down no German planes and died during a ****ed-up landing after his plane was damaged on an escort run just 4 weeks into the Battle of Britain.
Reports suggest The Few will see the Americans basically defeating the entire Nazi armed forces - land, air and sea - before going off to play Tennis, eat scones and laugh at the quaint British people.
So basically - **** them and **** the film.
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So it's The Last Samurai all over again. :lol:
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I notice that America is prominent in the picture of the Globe on the official site.
Doesn't bode well.
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Originally posted by Flipside
Oh yes, and cast British actors all round :nervous:
That sounds like a challenge.
Ogilvy - Patrick Moore
Stent - Patrick Stewart :nervous:
The Curate - Kilroy
Maybe not.
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The thing is, they won't be able to capture the helplesness and futility of the humans that was in the original. So yes, it'll probably be ID4 all over again :(
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Lets face it, the 'version' they did for the Mini advert will probably be a better film.
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Originally posted by an0n
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388940/
The American guy Cruise will be playing in that particular film was an Olympic athlete who - while a pleasant and relatively good man - shot down no German planes and died during a ****ed-up landing after his plane was damaged on an escort run just 4 weeks into the Battle of Britain.
Reports suggest The Few will see the Americans basically defeating the entire Nazi armed forces - land, air and sea - before going off to play Tennis, eat scones and laugh at the quaint British people.
So basically - **** them and **** the film.
Hollywood updates history of Battle of Britain: Tom Cruise won it all on his own (http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/film/news/story.jsp?story=510475)
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If you want to watch a good movie about that time go for the original Battle of Britain movie from 1968...As far is it goes it's pretty accurate to the facts, has excellent dogfights, and most importantly shows the suffering of war and portrays both sides as humans.
I wonder how the germans will be portrayed in that new movie; they will probably have vampire teeth and red glowing eyes and shoot down the britons with the laser rays coming out of their eyes.
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Um... dudes, ID4 was War of the Worlds.
I'm looking forward to this film with a 50-50 mixture of excitement and trepidation. After Tolkien's musings on elves, WotW is far and away my favourite thing in print :nod:
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As long as someone in it says "Huzzah", I'll be happy.
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Originally posted by an0n
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0388940/
The American guy Cruise will be playing in that particular film was an Olympic athlete who - while a pleasant and relatively good man - shot down no German planes and died during a ****ed-up landing after his plane was damaged on an escort run just 4 weeks into the Battle of Britain.
Reports suggest The Few will see the Americans basically defeating the entire Nazi armed forces - land, air and sea - before going off to play Tennis, eat scones and laugh at the quaint British people.
So basically - **** them and **** the film.
Yep, to the power of 10 :mad2:
The RAF defeated the Luftwaffe, and while there were American pilots, they were a very small number along with Canucks, Chechs, Poles etc.
'The Few' were 2353 young men from Great Britain and 574 from overseas, pilots and other aircrew, who are officially recognised as having taken part in the Battle of Britain
Ten American pilots flew with units under the command of RAF Fighter Command between 10 July and 31 October 1940
A fighter pilot's average life expectancy was 87 flying hours and a fair number died before they even had time to unpack their kit-bags.
So let's not have any more films eh? The Battle of Britain (1969) says it well enough for all it's faults....
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Originally posted by Whitelight
(2) Tom Cruise is a superb actor.
Where's the giant :wtf: when you need it ?
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Nearest thing I have:
(http://homepage.mac.com/clave/smilies/bigeek.gif)
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I don't care who's directing it. If it's not set in Victorian England it's just some hollywoodised version of the story.
Although I have heard a rumour that Jeff Wayne was so disgusted at the idea of America messing up the story again that he's trying to raise the capital for another version of the story which is much more true to the HG Wells version.
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Three cheers for Jeff!
Hip hip!
UUUUUUULAAAAAA
x3
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...There's 3 War of the Worlds movies in production.
1: the one by Steven Spielberg/Tom Cruise
2: the one by Pendragon Studios (based completely on the novel...aka Victoria settings)
3: a 43 million dollar CGI film on Jeff Waynes Musical version.
Pendragons film will be released in March of next year and the updated one will be in June of next year.
As for Jeff Waynes version...it'll prolly be released as soon as Sony Re-releases the musical version (updated with surround sound=Awesomeness)
2005: The Year of The War of the Worlds[/i]
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HOLY HELL!
Teaser Poster for the Paramount Movie:
(http://www.maj.com/gallery/Corhellion/WOTW/wotw_teaser_paramount.jpg)
They've got the Red Weed in the movie! :eek2: :eek:
...but...they're using the old hand design (the one from the 50s movie)...so they lose marks there...
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Considering that HG Wells is a local author for me I'm quite happy to hear that :D
Speaking of which Bromley did commemorate the guy properly. This mural is on the high street :D
http://www.colemanzone.com/images/bromle15.jpg
BTW did anyone ever see WotW the TV series? :lol: Worst show ever.
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That's nothing to the Woking Martian:
(http://www.cix.co.uk/~sjbradshaw/martian/wokmar01.jpg)
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Pretty leet, but if it's not the one off the album cover I won't accept it.
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I should go and see it - it's only about 10 miles from me....
I think it's a pretty good interpretation anyways.
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Originally posted by Clave
That's nothing to the Woking Martian:
http://www.cix.co.uk/~sjbradshaw/martian/wokmar01.jpg
That's true but the parts of southern England that the Martians destroyed were the places where HG Wells grew up. Apparently he took great pleasure in seeing them raised to the ground by martian heat rays so I don't know if the Woking council should be praising him or burning him in effigy :D
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My town was destroyed by the Black Smoke cos the army put a battery here... still, it's quite nice where they've rebuilt it :nod:
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Originally posted by Clave
That's nothing to the Woking Martian:
(http://www.cix.co.uk/~sjbradshaw/martian/wokmar01.jpg)
Ooh.... I wouldn't mind one of those.
Albeit, not quite so impressive in this context;
(http://www.cix.co.uk/~sjbradshaw/martian/wokmar09.jpg)
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Woking < Staines
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http://combat-folk.netorn.ru/games/half-life-2/pc-gamer/2.htm
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Yep. I thought "Martian Walker" the second I saw one of those things.
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hehehehe Same here :D
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I still think that the best portrayal of War of the Worlds was a certain radio broadcast by Orson Welles. :D
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(http://www.penguinbomb.com/images/martianlaw.gif)
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You ****ing moron.
See, this is why you TEST things before you put them onto the open boards.
FIX IT!
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Originally posted by Mongoose
I still think that the best portrayal of War of the Worlds was a certain radio broadcast by Orson Welles. :D
best hoax ever... the invasion of earth by martians... people thought it was the real deal...:p
anywho... about this movie.. i have my reservations...
the hand, is from these guys:
(http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/war-worlds/martian-1211.jpg)
they suck something chronic, i know..
the martian craft from the old movie:
(http://www.thedeathzone.free-online.co.uk/backdrops/misc/fi04.jpg)
the jeff wayne's musical version had the more memorable type martian fighting machines..
(http://www.cdaccess.com/jpg/shared/front/large/warworld.jpg)
in other words, i don't give a **** whether a big name is in it or not, but they had /better/ keep it as close to the Novel as possible. :hopping:
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Notice that that's the cover from the RTS game they made a few years ago.
I have it. It's ****.
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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Notice that that's the cover from the RTS game they made a few years ago.
I have it. It's ****.
yes, yes it is... but, i was the best version of the cover i could find..
Rage went outta business a while back, too.
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There was a TV series??? WTF?
Was it as bad as the Logan's Run and Planet of the Apes series? (both good ideas on PAPER, but bad translation to celluloid!)
Besides we already have something like that. Isn't it called MEGAS XLR? (NICE!)
:yes:
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Originally posted by Getter Robo G
There was a TV series??? WTF?
Was it as bad as the Logan's Run and Planet of the Apes series? (both good ideas on PAPER, but bad translation to celluloid!)
I've not seen either but I can't imagine that WotW the TV series even worked on paper. The story was so full of plot holes it was amazing that there was enough left to actually get not just one but two whole seasons out of it.
Amongst some of the more impressive plot holes were these.
1. The series followed on from the 50's movie where the martians nearly wiped out humanity yet no one in the general public even appears to believe in aliens let alone remember the war.
2. The aliens weren't killed by Earth's bacteria but were in a coma. On escaping from the military facility (where the humans had sealed mankinds worst enemy into old oil drums and forgotten about them) the aliens seek refugee in the caves used for nuke tests cause apparently the radiation is of a high enough level to kill bacteria but not the aliens.
3. The aliens stand around 7' tall in the series despite being smaller in the movie. This in no way stops them being able to take over human beings and wear their skin as suits. Even people who know the possessed human are unable to tell the difference.
4. The radiation in the caves has no effect on humans being worn as suits
5. When aliens wearing human suits are killed they melt turning into a large pile of melted human and alien flesh. No one ever takes this as an indication that something strange must have been going on even when the mass of flesh and human clothing is still bubbling.
6. The aliens have an enemy race who pretend to ally with humanity but really want to eat us. Their ambassador looks like a human and when she puts her hands up in the air as if forming the C in YMCA she can shoot laser bolts out of her fingers, but ONLY then! Apparently only aliens that look like a reject from the Village People can be trusted with weapons.
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Originally posted by karajorma
I've not seen either but I can't imagine that WotW the TV series even worked on paper. The story was so full of plot holes it was amazing that there was enough left to actually get not just one but two whole seasons out of it.
Amongst some of the more impressive plot holes were these.
1. The series followed on from the 50's movie where the martians nearly wiped out humanity yet no one in the general public even appears to believe in aliens let alone remember the war.
2. The aliens weren't killed by Earth's bacteria but were in a coma. On escaping from the military facility (where the humans had sealed mankinds worst enemy into old oil drums and forgotten about them) the aliens seek refugee in the caves used for nuke tests cause apparently the radiation is of a high enough level to kill bacteria but not the aliens.
3. The aliens stand around 7' tall in the series despite being smaller in the movie. This in no way stops them being able to take over human beings and wear their skin as suits. Even people who know the possessed human are unable to tell the difference.
4. The radiation in the caves has no effect on humans being worn as suits
5. When aliens wearing human suits are killed they melt turning into a large pile of melted human and alien flesh. No one ever takes this as an indication that something strange must have been going on even when the mass of flesh and human clothing is still bubbling.
6. The aliens have an enemy race who pretend to ally with humanity but really want to eat us. Their ambassador looks like a human and when she puts her hands up in the air as if forming the C in YMCA she can shoot laser bolts out of her fingers, but ONLY then! Apparently only aliens that look like a reject from the Village People can be trusted with weapons.
so you're saying that these are the quantum singularities of plot-holes, hrm?;)
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The whole thing about War of the Worlds is that any modern movie will think it is a sci-fi fest. I am pretty certain of Tom Boy getting hold of laser guns, absailing down the legs of tripods and having hand to hand combat with a martian :(
What people always forget is that War of the Wrolds is sci-fi in much the same way as 'The Evolution Man' is Sci-fi, and the most omplex machine in that book is a bow and arrow. I can promise the film will end with mankind creating a virus to kill the martians, because we won in the original by sheer, blind and unrelated-to-humans luck, and Hollywood would hate that.
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http://www.waroftheworlds.com/
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Theres a trailer available apparently, just looking now...
Doesn't tell you much at all, and check out the accented narrator trying to be Richard Burton.....badly.
Oh yes, and it's set in what appears to be Middle America generic post '50 by the looks of it. I hate it when they do that :(
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The Combine Walkers really reminded me of War of the Worlds in a good way.
(http://www.jucaushii.ro/img/Half-Life2/90.jpg)
I'm not surprised that the Spielberg one is going to be a remake of the 50s movie, but with a few more novel elements tossed in.
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Originally posted by Flipside
http://www.waroftheworlds.com/
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Theres a trailer available apparently, just looking now...
Doesn't tell you much at all, and check out the accented narrator trying to be Richard Burton.....badly.
Oh yes, and it's set in what appears to be Middle America generic post '50 by the looks of it. I hate it when they do that :(
"in the early years of the 21st century"
ugh. :blah:
meaning, it's set in present-day earth.. not the steampunk world of post-industiral revolution england.. bugger.:hopping:
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Why improve something, when you can bork it up completely?
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Just watched the trailer. Now I'm completely convinced that this is going to be crap of the highest order.
Tagline : They're already here
Umm. No they f**king well aren't. Not unless you're going to completely s**t on the book and say that they can take human form or something equally stupid.
As for the no one would have believed bit maybe we should sit them down in a room full of UFO nuts.
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I love it
look at all the little piss ants on that imdb forum getting all worked up like they matter
lmao
"movie reviews"
lmao
is there any more usless people on the planet?
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Uhh?
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Originally posted by karajorma
Just watched the trailer. Now I'm completely convinced that this is going to be crap of the highest order.
Tagline : They're already here
Umm. No they f**king well aren't. Not unless you're going to completely s**t on the book and say that they can take human form or something equally stupid.
*ding*
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Right, I've decided I'm going to make two movies :-
1 : A story of the brave English soldiers who defended the Alamo
2 : Huck Finn, only set on the Thames.
:)
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hear that "whirring" sound?. that's H.G Wells, Spinning in his grave.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Tagline : They're already here
Umm. No they f**king well aren't. Not unless you're going to completely s**t on the book and say that they can take human form or something equally stupid.
Look at it this way, the idea that the enemy 'could be living next door and you wouldn't even know' sells well in the US.
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Originally posted by Turnsky
hear that "whirring" sound?. that's H.G Wells, Spinning in his grave.
hehe, Dilbert.
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Spielberg and Cruise just made the List™
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First time I clicked on the "View Trailer" link, my machine spontaneously reset, giving me reason to hate the film before I'd even seen any of it.
Second time I actually managed to watch it. :(
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Did you prefer the reset? :D
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Ugh...So it's not EXACTLY like how the invasion was like in the novel...
...Have you read the HP books and seen the Movies? There are differences...but some of them make the story better!
I for one think the Teaser Trailer is awesome! It's exactly what you'd expect from a movie that isn't even half way done.
Just wait and see...
...either that or go watch the PP movie...
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so...is tom cruise gonna end up like will smith did on ID4?
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Black?
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...uh...ok...that'd be one thing that'd really bork the movie over big time...and looking at the trailer we can venture a guess that the martians are pretty much indestructable...cause the only sounds you hear in that big 'battle' sequence is human things being blown up (you can hear a plane crashing near the beginning of that part of the Trailer)
...so I can only hope that Speilberg does the right thing and make the humans suck...
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My guess is that Cruise will be some sort of scientist that develops that bacteria that kills of the Martians. In the novel it was natural, but maybe they speculate that the audience would feel inadequate if they weren't defeated by human cause or soume bullcrap like that.
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Originally posted by Corhellion
Ugh...So it's not EXACTLY like how the invasion was like in the novel...
My problem is not with it being different from the book. My problem is if it is so different from the book as to be a completely different story with no relation to the book.
There are problems inherant with setting the movie in the any time after the victorian age. In the book the Martians were killable. It just took a lot of work or a lot of luck.
What are they going to do when everyone just starts to wonder why we just don't nuke the bastards? Sure you can make it so that they are immune to nuke like the 50's version and ID4 did but then you lose a hell of a lot of what made the book so interesting.
Originally posted by Corhellion
...Have you read the HP books and seen the Movies? There are differences...but some of them make the story better!
Yep I have. I honestly don't mind the 50's movie either. I think it's a pretty good version of the story. My problem with this version is that I really don't see what difference they'll be between this and ID4 seeing as how ID4 was a modern day version of WotW in everything but name.
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...Here's a reason why the most likely won't nuke them...They're going to be attacking POPULATED AREAS...which is worse...having a bunch of cities being burned to cinders and having roughly half the population from them live...or nuke the cities...killing a bunch of civies and later on finding out that Nukes don't do crap to the martians...
...If you choose B...I hope martians aren't real and I hope you don't control thr government when that time comes...
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...But it's a movie and therefore anything's possible!
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Didn't stop the in ID4 iirc?
Oh, and Martians aren't real, I promise ;)
I don't mind if the story is different, as long as the name 'H.G.Wells' does not appear on the poster. Because if Mr Spielberg and Co. are trying to convince the next generation that this is a 'true' representation of the book then he is lying to them.
As I've said before, why should I care about stories set in America if America cannot give a **** about stories set in the UK?
It's like 'The Few' the story of an American pilot who died without shooting down a single German plane during WWII. Or even I Robot, which wasn't written by Asimov.
There are perfectly good factual stories out there, why ruin them?
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OR Braveheart, where they not only made up the battles (it was the Battle of Striling Bridge - Bridge! for ****s sake.....), but transformed 2 Scottish heroes (Robert the Bruce and Andrew de Moray) into out and out traitors (the latter actually died from gangrene after the BoSB).
Oh, and made up the Wallace shagging the Frence queen/pricess substory, too.... it's a pain in the arse because people abroad actually believe it. Plus... I remember being in Florida when an American couple approached and talked to my parents; when they noticed were Scottish, they asked "oh, don't you hate the English?".
Yep, they'd seen Braveheart.
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:lol:
Thing is that got me is that they forgot the bit just afterwards, where, having pushed back the English, Robert the Bruce and his army went rampaging all over Northern England burning, raping and pillaging, made a pact with the Irish, which he then broke and left them to starve (for the second time, the English did it first, you begin to see why Ireland have good reason to be irked).
Now, England were no better to Scotland, I'll admit, but I hate it when moviemakers use their powers to try and present a one-sided view of history like that :(
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And they had Wallace sacking York, when in reality it was Carlisle. Of course, most Merkins will never have heard of Carlisle...
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Bruce != Wallace. There's not been a Bruce film made AFAIK (and the bit at the end of Braveheart about that was wrong, too; it was a cold day & IIRC snowing at times at Bannockburn).
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Yes, I know Robert the Bruce isn't Sir Wallace, but from what I recall, Wallaces' uprising was one of the key factors in bringing the final showdown between Bruce and King Edward at Brannockburn in 1314?
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Originally posted by Flipside
Yes, I know Robert the Bruce isn't Sir Wallace, but from what I recall, Wallaces' uprising was one of the key factors in bringing the final showdown between Bruce and King Edward at Brannockburn in 1314?
Not really; there was something like a 14 year gap between battles (IIRC Falkirk was about 1298 & Bannockburn was 1314).... plus it was between Bruce and Edward II (who was completely inept as a commanded... infact IIRC a party of Scottish knights nearly caught and captured him during his retreat).
But Bannockburn was really part of the long rebellion against the English, and very unusual in that Bruce had been fighting with guerilla tactics (the beseiging of Stirling was his brother Edwards - the one who ended up in Ireland as king - idea, I believe). I guess you could say Wallace lit up the sparks of it, but his role was still just part of a long war.
EDIT; Edward (I) captured all of Scotland after the Siege of Stirling castle in 1304.... the 'Bruce rebellion' only really began after Bruce crowned himself king in 1306.
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Ahhhhhhh.. Yes, I've been checking my facts, I got the strange idea that Wallace was one of Bruces commanders, but it appears the two rarely, if ever met :nervous:
I suppose the thing is though, Is that it get's to feel like the only time Hollywood set movies in other countries, it's to either stereotype or insult the natives...
Speaking of which, on the subject of ID4, theres one thing that always made me wonder.....
At the end of the movie, there are scenes from various countries of the UFO's in flames (I will skip over the whole 'world waiting on the US part of the movie). However, one of these scenes is set in Africa.... with thousands of cheering tribespeople....holding spears......
Now, ignoring the stereotype, that's a movie I want to see, I mean, what did they do? Build an enormous human pyramid or something?
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I always found the end of ID4 (why do we always call it that? There's only one of them, after all....) when they contact the various survivors in Russia, the desert, etc; apparently, they've all been waiting on the Americans before doing anything.
"Aah, the Americans have a plan! Jolly good, I was getting tired polishing my monocle old boy, chocs away!"
ID4 would have been a 100* better film had they shown at least a little of the rest of the world.......
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Clearly it was voodoo magic. Duh.
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Originally posted by Corhellion
...Here's a reason why the most likely won't nuke them...They're going to be attacking POPULATED AREAS...which is worse...having a bunch of cities being burned to cinders and having roughly half the population from them live...or nuke the cities...killing a bunch of civies and later on finding out that Nukes don't do crap to the martians...
How about not nuking the aliens in a populated area and having them enslave and eat all of mankind? I think that's far worse than nuking the aliens in one country.
Besides they're attacking America. What's to stop the russians from figuring that it's better to just H-bomb the whole country once the Americans seriously start losing before the Martians start to cross over to Russia?