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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: an0n on December 03, 2004, 11:28:38 pm
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Discuss.
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I know more (about school subjects) than my parents, for the most part. Home schooling would have probably been a waste...
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99% of the time it sucks
i won't say more
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I have heard home Schooling is for either losers or geniuses. My evidence prompts me to support that but I dont know.....
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It can give children advantages in some areas, but in others it leaves the children lacking such as socially. Maybe that is why I am here alone on a friday night watching spider man 2. :doubt:
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Home-schooling would totally pay off if your cute nieghbor was also home-schooled and your mutual rejection by/of society brought you close together.
Thats about the depth of my thought on the subject.
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Originally posted by redmenace
It can give children advantages in some areas, but in others it leaves the children lacking such as socially. Maybe that is why I am here alone on a friday night watching spider man 2. :doubt:
Nah. If it was that bad, you'd be watching Gigli or Love Actually.
*shudders*
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Anyway, having been school-schooled and being pretty much the smartest person here by a country mile, I think I can safely say that my way is best - despite being tedious, unfair and run by complete bastards who will all get what's coming to them.
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I wouldn't want to be homeschooled.
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I've learned more from Wiki than I ever did from text books.
But that being said, I wouldn't know anything about sex, public speaking or how to efficiently piss people off if not for a good, solid school education.
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"Schooling" yourself is not the same as home-school. :p
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Originally posted by an0n
Nah. If it was that bad, you'd be watching Gigli or Love Actually.
*shudders*
lol, you would never catch me watching that ****. I have been known to watch a sappy movie occasionally, like Shadowlands.
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Watch Lost In Translation - on DVD preferably.
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I'm very much in favor of homeschooling. There are so many things wrong with public schooling nowadays - dividing classes by age instead of ability; the playground subculture that gives rise to bullying; the caste system of nerds, jocks, popular kids and unpopular kids; I hardly know where to start.
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Playground mentality ecists everywhere to some degree or another.
I have to put up with office mentality and some of the ignorant fag-heads I work with
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Humanity sucks. The sooner children learn this the quicker they will learn how to deal with the world.
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Could somebody please explain the concept of Home Schooling? I have no real clue what it's about, since I'm from a country with compulsory school attendance.
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Basically, you stay at home and your parents teach you in the comfort of your own home. Just you and the "teacher", one on one. No class or anything.
It can work pretty well if you have competent "teachers" because you move at your own pace and can concentrate more on whatever you damn well please. Let's say you don't like history. Maybe you'll only spend an hour a day on history but if you really like science, you can spend three hours on it and really delve into the aspects of science that you enjoy.
Homeschooling also helps if you don't like putting up with ****ty school bureaucracies and stupid school politics where the ass-kissing rich parents who are on the school board get everything for their kids, while everyone else gets screwed. Then again, that's life and it's not such a bad thing to learn to deal with it early on.
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It's basically something along the lines of recieving the school criteria in the mail, but your tought at home by folks, tutor, or hot chick next door.
I think learning how to deal with the social concepts of school is part of the learning process. But sometimes some people need a helping hand...
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Interesting. Reminds me of that discussion that went up and down the media here a few months ago, when a bunch of parents belonging to some religious group insisted on teaching their children at home. I believe they were even temporarily arrested, to force them into sending them to a "regular" school. On top of that, they were fined for their actions.
That's how it works here - either a private or a public school, but it has to be a state-approved school. This home-schooling isn't allowed. And from what you told me, I have to say that I'm rather sceptical on the idea of it.
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I wrote a letter 3 days ago on behalf of a friend/relative. Basically she wanted to take her 2 boys out of school and teach them at home for the following reasons:
1. Class size average is 35-40, meaning each pupil gets about a minute per lesson.
2. There is a huge ethnic mix at the school, which is not a bad thing in itself, but the standard of English is very poor because the teachers have to work at the level of the kids who have English as a 2nd language.
3. Bullying and intimidation are rife - there are two staff supervising 4,000 kids at break times.
4. Both boys are skipping lessons anyway, mainly through fear, and wandering the streets in school time.
5. A minor point, but having no car, and walking to the school twice a day takes a huge amount of time, and crossing roads with high-speed traffic is stressful and dangerous.
So, from a legal position (UK) there is no law requiring you to send your kids to school, BUT you must provide education.
I think this will work out for her, because she will know where they are, and that they are safe (the older boy was was virtually kidnapped last year by a known car thief) And if nothing else, they will get more than 5 minutes attention each day.....
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That's the difference. Schools are not that big over here. My school had ~800 pupils at most. Plus the ethnicity is mixed, but not to a level where the native language of the country becomes a problem. Yet, my view is rather biased, as my school would qualify as a grammar school in the UK, thus more likely attracting the folks that are willing to learn and work, rather than making trouble - as in that story of your friend, Clave. Personally, I never experienced that or anything similar.
But I'm pretty sure the situation is different in other parts of my country, or even in the other schools in my town. Reasons see above. I probably was lucky. ;)
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Some ass holes in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania tried to require all students to go to the public or private schools. Personally I think the teachers unions were at the core of the it all.
I thought Europe was supposed to be so free and accepting of different beliefs and lifestyles. lol
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Yeah, it's a matter of quantities. What happened is that there was an influx of people from all over the place, and the govt decided "Lets put them in that new town over there, where there's no infrastructure and jobs for them" So, instead of spreading them around to be integrated into communities across the country, they are becoming lumped together, and of course you get a ghetto mentality and gangs of kids divided on racial lines wandering around with nothing to do.
I hate 'New Towns' they were designed in the 60's to cater for people with cars and only that. There is no 'soul' in those places, only roads, shops and car parks. While not as creepy as places like the US, there is still a sense of alienation. Hmmm... maybe being bought up in the countryside has warped my view, but I still think that acres and acres of concrete and tarmac is not a fun place to hang out....
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I agree with you on that new town bit, Clave.
As for home schooling, well, I can't compare since I'm going through the Dutch public schooling system. Mind, I can see that for some kids, it is a great way of learning. But the social bit is quite important too. Mind you, class sizes are not as bad here as in the UK, we're looking at 30-35 for primary school and 20-30 in secondary, but that's too big as well.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
I'm very much in favor of homeschooling. There are so many things wrong with public schooling nowadays - dividing classes by age instead of ability; the playground subculture that gives rise to bullying; the caste system of nerds, jocks, popular kids and unpopular kids; I hardly know where to start.
Or you could just deal with it, same as every school kid has been doing for years :p
I'm sorry, but I really don't think bullying, unless it's excessive and violent, is a good excuse for home schooling. I was bullied a lot, but I learned to bite back and they dont' bully me anymore. You just have to adapt to your enviroment.
Granted if you start to have the kids afraid for their safety and/or lives, it's a good enough excuse to leave, imho.
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I have some second cousins that are Home Schooled. The oldest is one of the most naive 16 year olds I know.
They claim to have lots of friends but the only contact with people their age seems to be from church, this in and of itself isn't a bad thing of course, but the only churches around are small and typically populated by 50+ year-olds.(It's Michigan) It's really their mother who's the problem, she's over-protective and over-bearing, if you even suggest that they might be better off socially in a Public/Private School, she slips into a Hulk like rage spouting off stats about the amount of violence that is rampant in public schools. I think she honestly believes that every public school is a Columbine-like bomb waiting to go off. It's really quite rediculous.
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Homeschooling is OK. but the state is stupid cause we still have to take english. And down in the south, we'll its very hard to use "proper" english.:nod: And the reason I don't want to go to public schools in my area is because most of the people are wackos, and because I have 1 year left.
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Originally posted by WeatherOp
Homeschooling is OK. but the state is stupid cause we still have to take english. And down in the south, we'll its very hard to use "proper" english.:nod:
And anywhere else, it's hard to use Southern dialects in writing and spelling.
So when you're writing out a mortgage application to a national bank, it tends to be handy to know what it says.
And in regards to bullying - Running away from a problem never sovles it (mostly).
If people don't learn how to inspire fear in prospective predators, they'll be eaten alive in the real world.
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When I said proper English, I ment words like Ain't, whitch I don't think is a real word.
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You realise this was all caused by you ****ing up a perfectly good language, right?
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I think especially in high school, home schooling isn't really worth it. I mean, for elementary school and middle school, it's fine. Sure, parents are completely capable of teaching their kids reading, writing, some basic history, some basic science, and algebra. But what do most parents know about say, molecular orbital configurations (what I'm doing right now in AP Chemistry)? Could your parents teach you calculus? Mine couldn't. How about Spanish? My mom speaks a bit of French, but she probably couldn't really make her way around Paris on what she knows.
I'd say my mom, who was an editor for a while, could probably teach me English decently, but that's it. My dad's a Civil War buff, so I'd learn a lot about that, but that's as much history as I could get.
So, you really want a high school education? Make sure your parents bone up on what they learned before you get home schooled. Otherwise, just go to high school.
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I leaned what I need to know for me to go to college. My SAT scores last year showed me, got basicly 10- 11 grade in everything except in Science and History where I scored College.
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There are degrees of bullying, and retaliation, but when it is one boy getting the crap kicked out of him by a gang of ten, where's the merit in letting that continue?...
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Bullying is a part of growing up, like learning to ride the bike. Sound evil, but its true.
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Originally posted by Clave
There are degrees of bullying, and retaliation, but when it is one boy getting the crap kicked out of him by a gang of ten, where's the merit in letting that continue?...
Yeah, but that's a reason for reforming the schools, not abandoning them.
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My thoughts: Public school is ok as long as you are in advanced classes AKA with all the other smart/non criminal/creative kids your age. However if my school didn't offer many advanced/honors/AP classes I would most definitely want to be Home Schooled by my quite intelligent parents (Father dual-mastered English and Business - AKA knows a ton of stuff about those subjects as well as science, mechanics, and computers) (he was a full-blown geek in his time but no more, he does a lot of paragliding and recently purchased a sweet motorcycle).
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Originally posted by Goober5000
I'm very much in favor of homeschooling. There are so many things wrong with public schooling nowadays - dividing classes by age instead of ability; the playground subculture that gives rise to bullying; the caste system of nerds, jocks, popular kids and unpopular kids; I hardly know where to start.
You find that mostly anywhere though.
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Carl was home schooled.
education is better, social life is worse.
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I've met only one person that I knew to be Home Schooled. She seemed pretty normal for the most part...definately the more conservative academic type and probably with enough self discipline from the start to do this sort of thing.
I wouldn't have been able to do as well or achieve what I have without the goods and particularly the bads of public school education. Not that it wasn't painful sometimes, but probably necessary. That socialization process is a long, complicated, and interesting one.
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Yah, I had to learn at private school of all places not to trust people or women for that matter. But yeah home school leaves socially alienated and vulnerable. The worst part is actually trying to integrate back into a school, public or private; worst 4 years of my life.
As for learning. Both my parents have college educations. There are books and curriculoms availiable for home school, I believe, both from a religous and secular POV.
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Why does it seem that 99% of HLP is male, and 40% of that is anti-female?
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Because that 40% doesn't get laid. :D
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You know, I'm gonna go with you o nthis one :D
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:lol::wtf:
Some of us have also made a conscience choice not to either.
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What is anti-female? I'm not anti-female, they're anti-me, just like most everything and everybody else.
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Or maybe you're just bigoted against women?
Geeze, the way you guys carry on about girls, it's like sex is the worst thing ever, relationships are satan's design, and women are all cash-mongering sluts who cheat on you and hate you as soon as they see you.
Granted, maybe some are like that, but certainly not all.
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I don't hate sex. I don't necessarily hate women. I don't trust them. This could come from an inherent misunderstanding of women. But, I have not yet met a women that I can trust whole heartedly.
And as for my choice, I am XStraight EdgeX *****.
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I don't think this should turn into a impromtu why I think women suck [no pun intended]. The point is that for the advantages of homeschool it also has some disadvantages socially.
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Originally posted by Liberator
I have some second cousins that are Home Schooled. The oldest is one of the most naive 16 year olds I know.
One of my good friends was home-schooled, and he's one of the most mature people I know. He's self-disciplined, gregarious, and highly motivated.
I went through the public school system all the way through high school, but I took an extra year of French one summer so I could take AP French in senior year. The summer course was basically a one-on-one tutoring session with a fast pace. I realized recently that that one course was basically equivalent to a home schooling. I got much more out of that course than I did any single French course at high school. As a bonus, I learned the material faster and it sunk in better.
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Homeschooling doesn't leave you alienated and vulnerable, are at least not me. My bro has lots of girlfriends, allthough It is funny when they give him the "I just wanna be friends" speech.
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Homeschooling doesn't leave you alienated and vulnerable, are at least not me. My bro has lots of girlfriends, allthough It is funny when they give him the "I just wanna be friends" speech.
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Originally posted by redmenace
I thought Europe was supposed to be so free and accepting of different beliefs and lifestyles. lol
First of all, you should recognise that there is not "one" Europe, but a total of ~45 states with ~700 million. The numbers vary, depending on what you count as "Europe". All of these states have similar, but still different social, political, legal and religious systems, which includes education. I think that's often missed.
While in some places, like in the UK, home schooling seems nothing odd, there are other countries which have always had a system of public schools. This means that until an age of 16, your parents are to make sure you're attending school. The choice of the school itself still is an option, i.e. you're not "sent" anywhere. That would be nonsense. Hell, you can attend any certified school you like, even if there are only anti-authoritarian freaks running through the bushes, collecting mushrooms and singing mantras. That example may be exaggerated, but I think you get what I mean.
I honestly don't see where this should be a limitation in "lifestyle" or "belief".
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Home schooling strikes me as being somewhat odd, and I'm in the UK.
But you're still talking a different country... IIRc the British education system (at least primary-to-secondary, I'd imagine US unis are minted thanks to thier gigantic tuition fees) is somewhat better funded and less troublesome than the American one. In particular, I think our school sizes are generally smaller and a lot still require wearing of uniforms, which to a degree helps removed social equality issues.
Of course, in australia home schooling will be completely necessary due to the sheer scale of the country... IIRC there is a 'school of the airwaves' which does some basic (parent supported) tuition for kids in the outback where it's too isolated for a single school.
I think on a general level, home schooling depends on the quality of the 'teacher' and the dedication of the pupil... albeit there is the inherent resource problem in terms of books, etc and also the possibility that the parent teaching doesn't have a general enough knowledge to adequately teach every subject.
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aldo :
to make sure this is clear : from reading various comments in this thread I got the impression that you people in the UK are used to that concept. Guess I was wrong there. :)
Apart from that, I can only agree with what you said.
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Originally posted by mitac
aldo :
to make sure this is clear : from reading various comments in this thread I got the impression that you people in the UK are used to that concept. Guess I was wrong there. :)
Apart from that, I can only agree with what you said.
The concept, yeah.
Actually applying it, not really. :) It'll possibly be used a bit up in the Highlands or Shetlands (etc), I guess.
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I have been out of home schooling but I think that broadband, especially here in the US, although we lag 7th among countries, I am sure will transform home schooling. Maybe even in the outback. Just a stupid thought.
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Well, I'd imagine phone lines may be an issue (or rather, line length) in Oz; but yeah, broadband should help revolutionise this sort of thing.
IIRC my former uni has already been involved in some long-range courses, I think one is actually distance learning based within the Palestinian territories (obviously travel is an issue for 'conventional' uni there, with the security issue & IDF checkpoints).