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Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: diamondgeezer on December 07, 2004, 12:54:26 pm
Stolen, it seems... (http://www.slccglobelink.com/news/2004/10/28/Entertainment/mother.Of.The.Matrix.Victorious-785067.shtml)
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Nuke on December 07, 2004, 01:01:27 pm
ooooooh busted!
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Carl on December 07, 2004, 01:04:55 pm
that must be why the matrix II and III were no good.
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: aldo_14 on December 07, 2004, 01:05:36 pm
*ching ching*
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: karajorma on December 07, 2004, 05:12:50 pm
I'd heard about the thing with the Terminator but not that she was also behind the matrix.

If this woman walks into a Hollywood studio and says she has an idea for a sci-fi movie she'd probably be killed by executives throwing sacks of money at her now :D
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Rictor on December 07, 2004, 05:51:29 pm
mulah mulah
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Flipside on December 07, 2004, 05:55:09 pm
Can I just say, specifically to Time Warner/AOL....


HAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!! Suckas!!!! You lose!!!!!

Thank you, I feel much better now :)
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: pyro-manic on December 07, 2004, 06:03:08 pm
Hahaha! Awesome.
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Krackers87 on December 07, 2004, 06:38:19 pm
Though im happy for her getting her **** back, this probably means no more terminator sequels.. Hopefully though the matrix online will still be released, as i do think it looks quite intresting.
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: pyro-manic on December 07, 2004, 06:45:37 pm
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Originally posted by Krackers87
Though im happy for her getting her **** back, this probably means no more terminator sequels.. Hopefully though the matrix online will still be released, as i do think it looks quite intresting.


GOOD!!! T3 was a stain on the series. I'm just glad that James Cameron didn't make it.
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: HeX on December 07, 2004, 06:52:57 pm
Is there another site with this article? Everytime I try to go to the link provided I get a registration form.

Either another site or someone copy/paste the article here?
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: pyro-manic on December 07, 2004, 06:54:09 pm
Works OK for me.....

EDIT: Or rather it did until just now. Now I get a registration thingy as well. :wtf:
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: HeX on December 07, 2004, 06:55:14 pm
Then could you PM me a transcript? I'm still getting a registration screen.
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Flipside on December 07, 2004, 06:57:57 pm
Home > Entertainment
"Mother of the Matrix" Victorious
By Martha Carter
Published: Thursday, October 28, 2004
Article Tools: Page 1 of 2


 
 
Monday, October 4th 2004 ended a six-year dispute involving Sophia Stewart, the Wachowski Brothers, Joel Silver and Warner Brothers. Stewart's allegations, involving copyright infringement and racketeering, were received and acknowledged by the Central District of California, Judge Margaret Morrow residing.

Stewart, a New Yorker who has resided in Salt Lake City for the past five years, will recover damages from the films, The Matrix I, II and III, as well as The Terminator and its sequels. She will soon receive one of the biggest payoffs in the history of Hollywood, as the gross receipts of both films and their sequels total over 2.5 billion dollars.

Stewart filed her case in 1999, after viewing the Matrix, which she felt had been based on her manuscript, "The Third Eye," copyrighted in 1981. In the mid-eighties Stewart had submitted her manuscript to an ad placed by the Wachowski Brothers, requesting new sci-fi works.

According to court documentation, an FBI investigation discovered that more than thirty minutes had been edited from the original film, in attempt to avoid penalties for copyright infringement. The investigation also stated that "credible witnesses employed at Warner Brothers came forward, claiming that the executives and lawyers had full knowledge that the work in question did not belong to the Wachowski Brothers." These witnesses claimed to have seen Stewart's original work and that it had been "often used during preparation of the motion pictures."
The defendants tried, on several occasions, to have Stewart's case dismissed, without success.

Stewart has confronted skepticism on all sides, much of which comes from Matrix fans, who are strangely loyal to the Wachowski Brothers. One on-line forum, entitled Matrix Explained has an entire section devoted to Stewart. Some who have researched her history and writings are open to her story. Others are suspicious and mocking. "It doesn't bother me," said Stewart in a phone interview last week, "I always knew what was true."

Some fans, are unaware of the case or they question its legitimacy, due to the fact that it has received little to no media coverage. Though the case was not made public until October of 2003, Stewart has her own explanation, as quoted at daghettotymz.com:

"The reason you have not seen any of this in the media is because Warner Brothers parent company is AOL-Time Warner... this GIANT owns 95 percent of the media... let me give you a clue as to what they own in the media business... New York Times papers/magazines, LA Times papers/magazines, People Magazine, CNN news, Extra, Celebrity Justice, Entertainment Tonight, HBO, New Line Cinema, Dreamworks, Newsweek, Village Roadshow... many, many more!... They are not going to report on themselves. They have been surpressing my case for years..."    

Quick copy/paste :)
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: HeX on December 07, 2004, 07:00:19 pm
Appreciate it.  :yes:
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Krackers87 on December 07, 2004, 07:24:10 pm
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Originally posted by pyro-manic


GOOD!!! T3 was a stain on the series. I'm just glad that James Cameron didn't make it.


I liked it..
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Grey Wolf on December 07, 2004, 08:02:42 pm
You missed page 2:
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Fans who have taken Stewart's allegations seriously, have found eerie mythological parallels, which seem significant in a case that revolves around the highly metaphorical and symbolic Matrix series. Sophia, the greek goddess of wisdom has been referenced many times in speculation about Stewart. In one book about the Goddess Sophia, it reads, "The black goddess is the mistress of web creation spun in her divine matrix."

Although there have been outside implications as to racial injustice (Stewart is African American), she does not feel that this is the case. "This is all about the Benjamins," said Stewart. "It's not about money with me. It's about justice."

Stewart's future plans involve a record label, entitled Popsilk Records, and a motion picture production company, All Eyez On Me, in reference to God. "I wrote The Third Eye to wake people up, to remind them why God put them here. There's more to life than money," said Stewart. "My whole message to the world is about God and good and about choice, about spirituality prevailing over 'technocracy'."

If Stewart represents spirituality, then she truly has prevailed over the "technocracy" represented in both the Terminator and the Matrix, and now, ironically, by their supposed creators.

Stewart is currently having discussions with CBS about a possible exclusive story and has several media engagements in the near future to nationally publicize her victory.
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Flipside on December 07, 2004, 08:04:08 pm
Ooops, missed that, thanks GW :)

'Stewart's future plans involve a record label, entitled Popsilk Records, and a motion picture production company, All Eyez On Me, in reference to God. "I wrote The Third Eye to wake people up, to remind them why God put them here. There's more to life than money," said Stewart. "My whole message to the world is about God and good and about choice, about spirituality prevailing over 'technocracy'."'.....

Amazing how all this technocracy etc made the special effects for the films available in the first place  :blah:
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Knight Templar on December 07, 2004, 10:02:07 pm
Oh snap.

I think this would be vengeance for Reloaded and Revelations.
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Dark_4ce on December 08, 2004, 03:47:00 am
Wow. Good for her. :yes: Still a bit suspicious if this is all true, but seems to be legit. But it does explain why the 1st matrix is WAY better then the sequels.
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: aldo_14 on December 08, 2004, 04:06:46 am
It's not as if the Matrix was a particularly original story in the first place.......
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Flipside on December 08, 2004, 09:20:40 am
Better Than Life - frankly the BBC should sue....

In Red Dwarf, they created a full immersion computer game where the people playing had 'special abilities' and an episode where they were trapped and had to get out ;)
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: karajorma on December 08, 2004, 09:51:00 am
Not to mention Dark City which actually has a very similar premise even if it does take it in a different direction.
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: JR2000Z on December 08, 2004, 10:43:36 am
Or the Wizard of Oz or Alice in Wonderland.
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Flipside on December 08, 2004, 10:45:18 am
:wtf: You what?
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: aldo_14 on December 08, 2004, 01:18:58 pm
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Originally posted by karajorma
Not to mention Dark City which actually has a very similar premise even if it does take it in a different direction.


Matrix actually used the sets from Dark City; for the rooftop chase in the first film at the very least (according to the imdb trivia page)

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Originally posted by Flipside
:wtf: You what?


"We're off to see the Wizard" = 'We're off to see the machines" ?
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Flipside on December 08, 2004, 01:21:55 pm
'If I only had a Neo?' ;)
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: karajorma on December 08, 2004, 01:30:12 pm
Well there is that whole bit about following the white rabbit at the start.
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Flipside on December 08, 2004, 01:31:55 pm
Yes, but that was a deliberate reference to Alice in Wonderland and finding out how deep the rabbithole went, I'm not sure whether that would count as 'basing' a movie on it?
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: aldo_14 on December 08, 2004, 01:40:38 pm
Die Hard 3 definately has a bloke 'Simple Simon', does that mean it was based upon it?
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Ford Prefect on December 08, 2004, 01:58:52 pm
If we want to dwell on the originality of The Matrix, then Socrates should be filing a lawsuit as well. Although I think he's dead.
Title: What is the Matrix?
Post by: Dark_4ce on December 08, 2004, 02:21:12 pm
Heheheh... I guess you could trace down every single movie to an earlier story. :P