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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: .::Tin Can::. on December 08, 2004, 04:44:26 pm
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Some neighbors of mine recently took a vacation to two countries:
Britain and France
When they arrived at Britain, they were friendly greeted and treated as guests. They said the Brittish were very friendly people, hospitable, and just downright funny. When they mentioned they were going to France, some Brittish guy went "French, pewy" and made a spitting movement. (Or he actually spat)
So my neighbors leave Britain and move on to France, so when they get off the plane they obviously have to find some means of transportation to a hotel, and arrive there at night. The clerk is snobbish and gives them a room. The next day, they wake up for lunch at a French cafe', and so leave and head to a French Resturaunt. When they get there, the waiter, although knowing English, did not speak it. So, they ended up getting some unpleasent food, and therefor ate at McDonnals for the rest of their trip. Always a helpful McDonnals nearby!
My neighbors are not very opinionated on politics or ethnicity. They dont care if you are French, German, Spanish, Italian, whatever. Everyone is a person. But this little run-in with French people only strengthened my opinion.
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Pretty much everyone in France speaks English. Especially in tourist trap towns.
He probably just hated having to serve foreigners.
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Oh my god - a french waiter speaking french! How inconsiderate!
(are you taking the piss here?)
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First lesson: learn the language before you travel.
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They said upon entrance that they would be served in English, jackass. When Spanish come over our border, do they have to learn English? Hell no. We have to learn Spanish. We have to have our prescriptions in spanish, our signs in spanish, and we are in America. Do I ***** about it? No. I learn Spanish. I live in Texas, which is basically where all of them are coming from or coming into. English is an international language. If the Russians learn it in school at young ages, then they can too.
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TC, learn to give all details in the first statement...
And keep the insults for yourself.
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it was directed towards Aldo.
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Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
They said upon entrance that they would be served in English, jackass. When Spanish come over our border, do they have to learn English? Hell no. We have to learn Spanish. We have to have our prescriptions in spanish, our signs in spanish, and we are in America. Do I ***** about it? No. I learn Spanish. I live in Texas, which is basically where all of them are coming from or coming into. English is an international language. If the Russians learn it in school at young ages, then they can too.
So? When I went to Paris I tried to speak French. When I went to Barcelona I tried to speak Spanish / Catalan. I didn't do particularly great, but at least I made the effort.
(oh, and I did learn a bit of French in school - it was compulsary. Not because of immigrants, but because it was the nearest major european country. Other option was German.)
B itching about people in a foreign country speaking a foreign language is the most ****ing pathetic - nay, arrogant - thing you can do.
I mean, I presume they have no sodding idea of French quisine, yes?
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Oh, and BTW...
The spanish thing is quite different as a substantial share of US inhabitants speaks spanish as first language...
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Originally posted by Zarax
Oh, and BTW...
The spanish thing is quite different as a substantial share of US inhabitants speaks spanish as first language...
You would be surprised.
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In which way?
Also, french are more than a match for anyone when it comes to national pride...
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25million or 10% of the population. I've read some predictions that Spanish will be the majority language in the US in 50 years time (in a newspaper IIRC)
http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/i.e.mackenzie/usa.htm
(EDIT; wikipedia sets it as 28m in 2000)
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What would National Pride have to do with the matter at hand?
The problem was not just the language that they knew but refused to speak, but the general snobbish and disregarding attitude towards guests in their country. We are from somewhere else, and go to France to spend our money on their country. The least they could do is speak the same language as the visitors, especially when they know it.
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Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
What would National Pride have to do with the matter at hand?
The problem was not just the language that they knew but refused to speak, but the general snobbish and disregarding attitude towards guests in their country. We are from somewhere else, and go to France to spend our money on their country. The least they could do is speak the same language as the visitors, especially when they know it.
Why? Do you speak French or German or Italian?
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Originally posted by aldo_14
25million or 10% of the population. I've read some predictions that Spanish will be the majority language in the US in 50 years time (in a newspaper IIRC)
http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/i.e.mackenzie/usa.htm
I think TC is upset about because the hispanic population is growing mainly from the high amout of illegal hispanics that cross the border everyday and nothing is being done about it. Personally I don't care. You couldn't pay me $5.15 an hour to pave my road in the middle of July.
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That and a lot of other works...
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Im not mad because they are coming over, but since everyone here thinks that you should know the language before coming over, then why is Texas just one big half spanish / half english state? If you need to learn the language, as they say, then please do. In order to deal with thats going on here I'm attempting to learn Spanish, and some German next year. However, yes, the illegal immigrants coming over without any control is upsetting.
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Originally posted by Zarax
That and a lot of other works...
It's the same in the Uk, except it's illegal immigrants from Asia, or the Indian subcontinent, or the Eastern European nations. Everyone *****es about it, the government and tabloids and even the opposition party pledge to stop these people.... but these same immigrants are the ones whose cheap long-shift labour keeps the country running. But because they have no citizenship, they become the scapegoats for societies ills.
It's like the bull**** published in the tabloids that as soon as Poland entered the EU we'd be flooded with immigrants cashing in on the welfare service or stealing jobs. It's insulting; to them, and to people like me who (like to thing we) know better.
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As a matter of fact - the people in Paris treat any tourists, even those from France, as if their presense was highly unwanted.
But they're always happy to bag all your money with extremely overpriced stuff, be it food or whatever souvenir you're planning to buy.
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Bah, if you want some good tourism Italy is much better...
And if they don't speak english it's just because 99% of the people doesn't speak it at all...
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I *kind of* like the French, they stick up for themselves, and are more friendly in private than public I think. True, they are arrogant, but so are a lot of of other nations, and they have a certain style along with it.
For: Art, food, countryside, culture, history, architecture, style, women.
Against: Snobbery, Napoleon, useless tactics in most wars, garlic, hyperactive kids.
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Hmm, why would americans not be liked in france?
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Originally posted by Clave
I *kind of* like the French, they stick up for themselves, and are more friendly in private than public I think. True, they are arrogant, but so are a lot of of other nations, and they have a certain style along with it.
For: Art, food, countryside, culture, history, architecture, style, women.
Against: Snobbery, Napoleon, useless tactics in most wars, garlic, hyperactive kids.
Put it this way, all the French people on this forum seem decent.
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Originally posted by Gank
Hmm, why would americans not be liked in france?
That's irony, is it?
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Put it this way, all the French people on this forum seem decent.
That would be? (Nico is a rare case and he doesn't even come here anymore.)
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If you're visiting a country, you shouldn't be expected to learn the language, but in turn, you shouldn't expect people to speak your language. You'll either have to find someone who does or try to get by as best you can with a travel language guide. If you're going to live in another country, however, you should learn the language. No ifs, ands, or buts. I'm sick and tired of the groups who want to make America into a bilingual nation. Our ancestors came to this country and learned the language, or at least made sure their children did; why should Mexican immigrants be treated any differently? America speaks English; France speaks French; Japan speaks Japanese. If you plan on living there, either learn the local language or leave. It's that simple.
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Well put Mongoose.
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As I'm sure I said before : nearly no one of age more than thirty in France is able to speak English, and even in the younger generation, many are able to at least understand it, but actually speaking the language is another thing altogether. And trying to get good service in either Paris or Marseille is a lesson in futility. BTW, if you want to get service AND english-speaking people, I recommand borderline city. Evian, the city where the spring of the same name come from (worked for this company for a whole 2 months :D ), situated just in front of Geneva on the other side of the Leman lake, is a city where nearly every shop has people able to understand English.
And it's true that, due to our 'relations' with both England and America, people speaking those language tends to reap distrust :p
Speak Spanish, German, Japanese,whatever you want, I'm sure you'll get more help this way, even if the French in front of you doesn't understand the language :lol:
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Well my general point was that its not that they couldnt find someone to speak English. They were told at the door that the waiters would serve them in English.
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I probably wouldn't do that well in France. I've forgotten most of my high school French, and it had a fairly large Canadian influence.
Speaking of Canada, don't you know that all intelligent Americans are supposed to claim their Canadian when overseas?
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Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Well my general point was that its not that they couldnt find someone to speak English. They were told at the door that the waiters would serve them in English.
What they didn't realize is that literally they where going to be served. In English dressing. (sort of like Russian dressing only with more pickels)
They (the waiters) started getting grumpy when their meal was acting all uppdity. ...and you know, you would too if you invited well-aged and fattened food over from across the world to have for dinner and it had an attitude.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Speaking of Canada, don't you know that all intelligent Americans are supposed to claim their Canadian when overseas?
:lol:
KT is going to France next Summer. KT Wonders if he will get the same treatment.
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English is the international language. Shamone french muthas. :p
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I agree with Tin Can. If someone is having a little trouble with speaking the local language, and you KNOW how to speak THEIR language, you could at least be gentlemanly about it. Who acts like an ass to people for not learning an entirely new language before taking a vacation?
Oh, thats right. The French, apparently.
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:lol:
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Come on guys, enough French bashing. I'm sure people have come to England or America or any other country and had a totally crap time with the locals as well.
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It seems like it's always happening whenever somebody goes to France, though.
I don't hate all French. Just the arrogant pricks that TC mentioned.
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You know one thing I never really got? Seeing hordes of Japanese tourists in places you wouldn't expect to see them.
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As do I of course, but I could post a thread about every time someone doesn't look where they're going and walks into me or pushes a pram infront of me as I walk down the street.
It happens a lot - but it shouldn't be discussed here. By all means discuss the cultures, trips you've been on to countries yourself or whatever. But lets try to keep the place free of "The French suck" or whatever.
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What I was saying is sometimes the Japanese tour groups do some fairly odd things. For example, I saw a fairly massive group (~100 or so) going to walk on a trail in the gorge, with many of the woman wearing high heels. The trail was well built, but doing something like that is just asking for a broken neck....
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Asian women never go outside without the latest fashion, make-up, etc. This, I say from Personal experience.
*Is happy that Mother never uses the internet*:D ;)
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:lol:
To be honest GW I've seen people from all countries who have no idea what life is like when you get outside the city and are completely unprepared for an environment not designed around their ease of use.
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
As do I of course, but I could post a thread about every time someone doesn't look where they're going and walks into me or pushes a pram infront of me as I walk down the street.
It happens a lot - but it shouldn't be discussed here. By all means discuss the cultures, trips you've been on to countries yourself or whatever. But lets try to keep the place free of "The French suck" or whatever.
Instead of just all-out saying French such "just because" I put up a reasonable experience that compared two countries with two very neutral people involved. Be happy, I'm promoting the awesomeness of your country. I plan to visit it someday. :nod:
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LOL We try to be fair.....
As for this whole abroad thing... as has been said before, it doesn't really matter where you are as much as who you meet, if you are unlucky enough to be someone arrogant you'll get that kind of treatment.
Alas it is just as easy for Europe to brand all Americans 'Warmongers' as it is for Americans to brand Europeans as 'Spineless', we all know it's not true, but it's easier to think that way.
As far as language is concerned, if you can help, then help, I've helped people with barely no knowledge of English whatsoever using gestures etc (and falling into that stupid stupid trap of s p e a k i n g s l o w l y). It's not impossible, and it actually feels good, at least it does for me :)
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I seen some Japanese tourist at Six Flags once. That was wierd. People laugh at rural folks b/c they are practical and always come prepared. Why can't I wear a realtree parka when it is cold outside in New York without being made fun of, and carry a leatherman? It's useful.
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When I was in Rome, most people spoke either English, French or German. I did my best to speak whatever they spoke best. I'm Dutch myself, but my English seems fluid enough, though my French and German are quite horrid. I didn't demand that they'd speak to me in English, though they did as soon as they saw that I spoke it best. The only reason why I expect people to speak English is because it seems a lingua franca, something everyone knows a few words of. The fact that it is easy for Americans, Brits or Aussie's is just an incidental occurence.
The oddest thing I've said while in Rome:
Une boteille wasser please.
(A bottle (in French) of water (in German) please.)
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I'm ashamed that I can't speak a 2nd language, to be honest (my French is virtually non-existent and well rusty).
I want to learn Spanish or Catalan one of these days..........or maybe Italian. Somewhere european & sunny, at least.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
I'm ashamed that I can't speak a 2nd language, to be honest (my French is virtually non-existent and well rusty).
I want to learn Spanish or Catalan one of these days..........or maybe Italian. Somewhere european & sunny, at least.
They say Spanish is easy, but honestly I find it kind of hard to learn. And I'm from a place where half the people speak it! I think it is my mind set on it. I can read it pretty easily, but I have a hard time trying to understand people talking to me even when they are talking so, and me speaking it myself is even more horrid.
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I think it's all about immersion... i guess you need to be in (this example) somewhere where everything is in Spanish to really get used to it... even if you're somewhere bilingual, you have the easy option of falling back onto english (even if you're trying not to, it can happen subconciously).
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I HAVE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE THAT SPEAKS UP AGAINST YOU, YOU POINT IS INVALID
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Originally posted by Mongoose
If you're visiting a country, you shouldn't be expected to learn the language, but in turn, you shouldn't expect people to speak your language. You'll either have to find someone who does or try to get by as best you can with a travel language guide. If you're going to live in another country, however, you should learn the language. No ifs, ands, or buts. I'm sick and tired of the groups who want to make America into a bilingual nation. Our ancestors came to this country and learned the language, or at least made sure their children did; why should Mexican immigrants be treated any differently? America speaks English; France speaks French; Japan speaks Japanese. If you plan on living there, either learn the local language or leave. It's that simple.
for once mongoose and i agree
*PST: the official language of the united states was almost german once upon a time
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If you've noticed this notice you'll notice there is nothing worth noticing
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oh for future reference- the only foriegn countries i've vacationed in that spoke a different language were countries i also spoke that language
one time on the trip i went into a store in munich and started speaking german, since i was speaking high german with a very slight american accent the store employee started speaking english to me
receive all his replies in german
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BTW, just a bit of advice : if you ever try to learn french, don't bother too much on the written part. Even French like myself are horrified sometimes by the sheer number of rules that you have to learn...
Hmmmm....
Suddenly, I understand why trying to learn japanese with alle the hiragana, katakana and kanji didn't seem to be that much of a problem :lol:
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French is do-able when you're talking about reading and perhaps a slight bit of speaking. German is easy enough to read, and quite easy to understand when spoken to you. As a Dutchman, I can always brable away in Dutch with a German accent and be half-right.
As for immersion, geuss we're I'm getting my English skills from.....
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aldo, portuguese is the way to go ;7
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Originally posted by aldo_14
It's the same in the Uk, except it's illegal immigrants from Asia, or the Indian subcontinent, or the Eastern European nations. Everyone *****es about it, the government and tabloids and even the opposition party pledge to stop these people.... but these same immigrants are the ones whose cheap long-shift labour keeps the country running. But because they have no citizenship, they become the scapegoats for societies ills.
It's like the bull**** published in the tabloids that as soon as Poland entered the EU we'd be flooded with immigrants cashing in on the welfare service or stealing jobs. It's insulting; to them, and to people like me who (like to thing we) know better.
Well it's not fair to tar all immigrants with the same brush, I agree, but you can't deny that a large number of them never integrate into British society at all, ghettoising themselves into areas that rapidly become abject hellholes that no sane person of different ethnic origin would dare cross through on foot.
Oh and the fact that when gypsies set up camp in an area local crime mysteriously triples (which was the main complaint about Poland joining the EU... we have yet to see if they'll all come over here or not).
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Originally posted by SadisticSid
Well it's not fair to tar all immigrants with the same brush, I agree, but you can't deny that a large number of them never integrate into British society at all, ghettoising themselves into areas that rapidly become abject hellholes that no sane person of different ethnic origin would dare cross through on foot.
Oh and the fact that when gypsies set up camp in an area local crime mysteriously triples (which was the main complaint about Poland joining the EU... we have yet to see if they'll all come over here or not).
First-generation immigrants very rarely, if ever, fully integrate into their society. They use their own cultural and ethnical background as a protective barrier against the alien society that surrounds them.
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Originally posted by SadisticSid
Oh and the fact that when gypsies set up camp in an area local crime mysteriously triples (which was the main complaint about Poland joining the EU... we have yet to see if they'll all come over here or not).
Continental gypsies or Irish gypsys, because that sounds a bit low for the gypos.
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Originally posted by SadisticSid
Well it's not fair to tar all immigrants with the same brush, I agree, but you can't deny that a large number of them never integrate into British society at all, ghettoising themselves into areas that rapidly become abject hellholes that no sane person of different ethnic origin would dare cross through on foot.
There's no shortage of white Brits who do that either though - and you don't hear the Daily Express or Sun or Mirror launching campaigns to expell them from the country (they'd lose 95% of their readership if they did that.....)
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The BNP pretty much want to expel everyone from the UK.
Here is an example of their intellectual prowess:
http://incadenza.typepad.com/
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I agree with the BNP.
Anglo-Saxon bastards should get off my bloody lawn.
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Thrilla, you're not the only one who thinks Spanish is hard to learn. :D And I'm in the same situation as you: a lot of people are me are Mexicans, so I hear it a lot but cannot speak it fluently. Plus, Spanish itself is a very, how should I say, exigente language.
I plan to cut the Spanish in my Junior year to learn German.
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Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Some neighbors of mine recently took a vacation to two countries:
Britain and France
When they arrived at Britain, they were friendly greeted and treated as guests. They said the Brittish were very friendly people, hospitable, and just downright funny. When they mentioned they were going to France, some Brittish guy went "French, pewy" and made a spitting movement. (Or he actually spat)
So my neighbors leave Britain and move on to France, so when they get off the plane they obviously have to find some means of transportation to a hotel, and arrive there at night. The clerk is snobbish and gives them a room. The next day, they wake up for lunch at a French cafe', and so leave and head to a French Resturaunt. When they get there, the waiter, although knowing English, did not speak it. So, they ended up getting some unpleasent food, and therefor ate at McDonnals for the rest of their trip. Always a helpful McDonnals nearby!
My neighbors are not very opinionated on politics or ethnicity. They dont care if you are French, German, Spanish, Italian, whatever. Everyone is a person. But this little run-in with French people only strengthened my opinion.
And if you were to speak french to the british waiters, I suppose they'd be as hospitable and funny as they were then?
Frankly, I, as a person who does speak french, have come to the conclusion that
a) there are actually an incredibly large number of french, who don't speak english.
B) they are the most hospitable, funniest, and coolest types to hang around with. Provided you speak french.
Go figure.
[edit] and we have americans and english telling that french are arrogant. Americans and brits.:doubt:
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Originally posted by Stunaep
[edit] and we have americans and english telling that french are arrogant. Americans and brits.:doubt:
Oi! I'll have you know that the Scots are some of the least arrogant people in existence (after all, look at our football team - how the hell could we be arrogant about that?!)
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Originally posted by kasperl
French is do-able when you're talking about reading and perhaps a slight bit of speaking. German is easy enough to read, and quite easy to understand when spoken to you. As a Dutchman, I can always brable away in Dutch with a German accent and be half-right.
That might work in some places in Germany, but not in most. The rhine land - no problem there, since the local accent shows a lot of similiarities to dutch. It occured to me that I barely understood a bavarian, one of those true leather-pants-guys who can take 3 liters of beer without any symptons of alcohol. :nervous: Actually, one of my neighbours comes from down there; I imagine that's how stone age folks communicated.
As for french, it's a mess when you talking to a native speaker. It's incredible how fast they can talk. But I guess that goes for most people speaking a language you barely know. ;)
Originally posted by aldo_14
(after all, look at our football team - how the hell could we be arrogant about that?!)
Sorry, but: :lol:. Be happy you got rid of Berti.
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Originally posted by Kazan
PST: the official language of the united states was almost german once upon a time
Sorry, Kazan, but that's not exactly true. Take a look here (http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/0,1518,306711,00.html) . :)
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Originally posted by mitac
Sorry, but: :lol:. Be happy you got rid of Berti.
Shame it was about 2 years too late.......... that man made Ally McLeod look a tactical genius.
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Originally posted by mitac
one of those true leather-pants-guys who can take 3 liters of beer without any symptons of alcohol. :nervous:
Thats a pretty small amount over here, or is it all at once?
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Originally posted by Stunaep
And if you were to speak french to the british waiters, I suppose they'd be as hospitable and funny as they were then?
Frankly, I, as a person who does speak french, have come to the conclusion that
a) there are actually an incredibly large number of french, who don't speak english.
B) they are the most hospitable, funniest, and coolest types to hang around with. Provided you speak french.
Go figure.
[edit] and we have americans and english telling that french are arrogant. Americans and brits.:doubt:
You never know if you were French and went to Britain. I guess you need to find a French person to go to Britain and order something in French. Sure, they might say "huh", but if you are told "Yes, your meal comes in English" then you should expect nothing less than a waiter that speaks English...
And an0n would disagree: there are a lot of French who know English, he says.
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And since when an0n is French, pray tell ? Beleive me, I've been in and out of the country enough times to get a factual opinion on how French do outside and inside the country in their use of english. And frankly, the general level is really low. Enough to get by in another country, but don't ask them to follow a discussion between two natives. But, as I said, they know enough to get by, which is what is often the problem with american (brits often had to know the language due to the closeness of the two countries).
And, as Stunaep said, 'God Bless' America telling another country they're arrogant remind me a little of a little trinket in the Bible... :p
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Originally posted by Gank
Thats a pretty small amount over here, or is it all at once?
That depends on the beer. There is beer with more or less alcohol, and more or less impact. ;) The bavarian white beer is rather strong.
Edit : apart from that, I consider three liters of ANY beer a large amount. Well, at least if it's not alcohol-free crap.
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an0n is British, but as that's just across the Channel, he probably knows more than people such as myself, who have a few hundred miles in between. As for "God Bless America", tell me France doesn't have any stupid nationalistic expressions while keeping a straight face.
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"looks at thread"
Aren't we bad people :p
Might I say one thing, Tin can: weither he's french, italian, german or US, a dick is a dick. Your friends met a dick. If they decide we all are like him, well, I'm surprised they didn't get along well. Coz obviously your friends are dicks too.
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:lol:
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I never said they were my friends. They are my neighbors, who are the friends of my parents, but just aquaintences to me. But it simply wasnt just the waiter who acted like a dick in general. Most of the French people they met just didn't like the fact that they were Americans, put simply.
But, case in point, a lot of people seem to be missing the fact that, regardless if the popualation KNOWS English, they were told the people in the resturaunt serving them would speak it.
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So they lied? Mean people, they don't like the ones who hate us the most, who keep bitting our balls, and, to a lower scale, don't stop starting threads about how the french are such arrogant bastards, even in a game forum, just to show that their neighbours don't like us. Really, I don't understand, shame on us all for that heresy. At least they seem to have gotten past the airport w/o much trouble, those happy neighbours. Can't say the same for french people going to the States lately, might I had if it wasn't such a one-sided and arrogant view on the situation.
I'll go spank myself for having a tainted blue blood, now.
Why do I come back once a month, and ALWAYS stumble on such a thread. Up till now, I didn't come back much coz I couldn't really do otherwise, but now I will keep it that way coz I seriously start to hate HLP. Sorry for the modos, but HLP is not what t used to be. Nowadays, the mentality here just sucks.
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'Nuff said :p
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And this is why Insulting Cultures != Good. Alienating original members of the community is not a good thing, people....
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Yes, we're all allowed the portray half the American population uneducated for electing Bush (kindly pointed out by Kazan) and also constantly stabbing our president in the face with any comment they can pick up off the internet or the news like CNN, but god forbid I, in any way, bash the French for anything whatsoever, especially based of real-life experiences. Mercy me.
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But the French have Ibert, Ravel, and Debussy, among others. Who do we have besides Cole Porter? (And he even had a house in France.)
Elvis? Gimme a break. :p
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Your point?
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We were making points?
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Not sure. I like cookies. Do you like cookies? I love cookies.
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Yeah. I love oatmeal but people don't make them often enough.
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Meh. You people and your nationalism disgust me... I (american) dislike every nation (including America...)
Except for Australia.
I can't bring myself to dislike that place. And I've never been there...
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G'day mate!
Dubbya-tee-eff?!
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I was not saying not to make fun of France. I was saying to stop insulting any country. Stop using stereotypes. All it does is drive people away.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again....
Yay! We Suck! :D
Top Hole, Roger Wilco, what what! ;)
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
I was not saying not to make fun of France. I was saying to stop insulting any country. Stop using stereotypes. All it does is drive people away.
Impossible...
Everyone on this board who discusses politics will never be able to cease this in particular.
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1. Any person who is forced to resort to stereotypes in an argument has already lost.
2. Logical debate based on facts, with strong support, is good. Yelling debate where one just insults is useless, and degrades the intelligence of the board as a whole.
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Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Impossible...
Everyone on this board who discusses politics will never be able to cease this in particular.
I think you'll find that I involve myself in a large number of political / social debates on this board without resorting to stereotyping or sloppy generalizations.
(except for humourous purposes)
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I was moreover refering to the "insult a country" thing.
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You realize it is possible to criticize something without insulting it, correct?
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Yes, but how often does anyone on this board do that?
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So a few people act like retards and that makes it both right and cool to follow them?