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Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Jeryko on December 08, 2004, 08:26:02 pm
Hi,

I have searched but found nothing.  Is there a way to turn inverted mouse off?

Thanks a lot!
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Grimloq on December 08, 2004, 08:29:57 pm
i dont think so

my opinion is that anyone who claims to be a flight-sim fan yet flies with mouse inverted (what you would call uninverted) should be shot :)

on a more helpful note, i THINK theres an option for it right in the middle of the options menu, but then again...
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Jeryko on December 08, 2004, 08:42:43 pm
I've been playing eith it uninverted for years now in other games (including other space sims) and having to play it inverted just feels unnatural to me.
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Flipside on December 08, 2004, 10:13:54 pm
Hmmmmmmmmm..... Theres something in the Options section for 'Invert' but I'm not sure how it works. I've never really played on mouse, either keyboard or joystick for me I'm afraid.
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Nuke on December 09, 2004, 12:19:57 am
i always use an inverrted mouse. its so unnatural for me to leave it normal. id like to have freelancer style mouse control though.
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: taylor on December 09, 2004, 07:42:16 am
You can invert whichever axis you want.  Mouse X should already be bound to "Turn (Yaw) Axis" in the ships control config, Mouse Y on "Pitch Axis".  There is an invert button along the bottom which you can use on either or both of them.
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Nuke on December 09, 2004, 10:53:46 am
think it would be possible to bind mouse buttons independand of joystick? also be cool to be able to bind the mouse weel to throttle and include support for extra buttons.
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: taylor on December 09, 2004, 11:42:59 am
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Originally posted by Nuke
think it would be possible to bind mouse buttons independand of joystick? also be cool to be able to bind the mouse weel to throttle and include support for extra buttons.

Yeah I'm working on that but it will probably be after Christmas before I finish.  Some minor interface changes are need too since we have to list three controls rather than two.  I'm was already planning to bump the button count as well since it only uses 3 now and that sucks with newer mice that have more buttons.  Not sure about the mouse wheel, it's basically used like two buttons and I'm not sure if making it work properly for the throttle is possible yet.
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Roanoke on December 09, 2004, 03:01:02 pm
I like inveted joystick conntrols but now with a mouse.
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Carl on December 09, 2004, 07:18:37 pm
just get a joystick. a decent one is only like $20, which is very cheap compared to other PC hardware.
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: freespace2pilot on December 09, 2004, 10:28:09 pm
wingmaster force 3d for me. so much power i had to turn it down for my little bro (force feedback i mean)
anyways im pretty sure its in the option menu. (invert)
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: freespace2pilot on December 09, 2004, 10:29:01 pm
on second thought, try this; mouse = esuom :D
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Jeryko on December 10, 2004, 05:37:47 am
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Originally posted by Carl
just get a joystick. a decent one is only like $20, which is very cheap compared to other PC hardware.


Have a Saitek, never got used to joysticks either.  But I found what I needed to do to invert stuff.
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Setekh on December 11, 2004, 01:44:12 am
Cool, how'd you do it? For the rest of us, just in case someone has the same question. ;)

Oh, and welcome to HLP Jeryko. :)

:welcome:
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Jeryko on December 11, 2004, 08:37:49 am
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Originally posted by Setekh
Cool, how'd you do it? For the rest of us, just in case someone has the same question. ;)

Oh, and welcome to HLP Jeryko. :)

:welcome:


Thanks for the welcome!

What I did was goto Options>Controles/Ship Controles/Clicked Pitch axis/hit the Invert button at very bottom.  I missed this the first time.
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Nuke on December 11, 2004, 09:26:08 am
im getting one of those saitek x-52s for christmas. meaning i will soon own the best, most expenive stick in the community :D
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: ChronoReverse on December 12, 2004, 07:23:55 pm
Definitely invert the mouse.  Carry-over from Descent for me (that and I use the joystick occasionally).  With 6 buttons on my mouse (and a mousewheel... I wish I could bind the wheel for targetting) and some of them also bounded to the guidance, I'm able to partially negate the advantage a joystick has while retaining the precision control a mouse affords.

I can also have the entire keyboard for my other hand =)
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Cabbie on December 16, 2004, 04:27:47 pm
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Originally posted by ChronoReverse
Definitely invert the mouse.  Carry-over from Descent for me (that and I use the joystick occasionally).  With 6 buttons on my mouse (and a mousewheel... I wish I could bind the wheel for targetting) and some of them also bounded to the guidance, I'm able to partially negate the advantage a joystick has while retaining the precision control a mouse affords.

I can also have the entire keyboard for my other hand =)


Same here before I got my HOTAS set up, used to be a heavy Decent/FPS player so I simply inverted the mouse and used it combined with the keyboard.
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Kail on December 16, 2004, 05:07:31 pm
You can invert it! It's hidden well but press F2 while in game, then find the controls screen, click Ship and then click on Vertical/Y-axis, then click the "Invert" button to enable axis invertion. They could have made it easier to find but it can be done.
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Grimloq on December 16, 2004, 10:49:24 pm
*shrug* for any game i play (arcade, FPS, flight sim, anything) i always play with down-is-up, up-is-down mouse inversion. its so much easier. i cant get used to it being 'normal'.

meh. to each their own.
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Nuke on December 17, 2004, 01:07:33 am
the reason you pull up and push over, and not vive versa is that the angular motion of the stick matches the angular motion of the aircraft. a mouse doesnt have an angular motion. so people tind to think that they are moving a cursor rather than changing a pitch angle. somone who is used to pulling up will find it untatural to think of the reticle as a cursor. it took me awhile to get used to freelancer's system.
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Kail on December 17, 2004, 08:10:56 am
Yes, Freelancer does it differently but the space combat mode of that game was extremely disappointing. I kept missing all my HUD indicators and targeting controls that I have in FS!
Title: Invert Mouse on/off ?
Post by: Nuke on December 17, 2004, 01:38:34 pm
indeed
i did enjoy having directional control of my guns though. i just wish joysticks were supported, retaining mouse control of guns.