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Off-Topic Discussion => Arts & Talents => Topic started by: Carl on December 11, 2004, 05:31:37 am
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for those who have not seen it:
The "****ty Death" (http://www.ap3d.com/ws/cruiser/)
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Bugger me. Detailed. I'm not a huge fan of the ST ships, but that is impressive. :nod:
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My god that ship never ceases to be so beautiful.
Sorry, but that could possibly be the finest starship I've ever seen. Ever.
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Originally posted by Carl
for those who have not seen it:
The "****ty Death" (http://www.ap3d.com/ws/cruiser/)
Uh? What standard? That´s the Roger Young. If it was an original model, then maybe.
The thing is, most models here are made with FS in mind, wich means that uber detailed ships like that could never be used. So why would anyone go the extra length to detail a model that he/she knows could not use on anything, and would just sit and colect dust on some HDD?
Get FS up to speed poly capacity wise, and i´m sure many models that would put that one to shame will appear. Untill then, we can´t hardly expect anyone to present such a detailed work while keeping it under FS poly standards. It´s just not possible.
As for the model itself, the nose greebling is practically useless. It´s only noticeble if you zoom in on the nose. Bring the camera back, and the detail vanishes. And this is without textures. Imagine it with textures... That detail could have been easelly done with bump-mapping, and those precious polys could be better spent elsewhere.
Still, the Roger Young is one of the best looking ships ever to come out of sci-fi. It´s my all time favourite.
:)
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Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
The thing is, most models here are made with FS in mind, wich means that uber detailed ships like that could never be used. So why would anyone go the extra length to detail a model that he/she knows could not use on anything, and would just sit and colect dust on some HDD?
in case you haven't noticed, alot of uber high poly models have been made recently for renders.
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That's not the Roger Young. It's part of a three ST ship family made and one of them is posted on Turbo Squid (me and someone else here has it and is converting it it seems). The RY and one other ship are posted on Light Wave Group...
just FYI...
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I dont think Kier is ever going to finish that thing.
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Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
Uh? What standard? That´s the Roger Young. If it was an original model, then maybe.
The thing is, most models here are made with FS in mind, wich means that uber detailed ships like that could never be used. ?
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Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
Uh? What standard? That´s the Roger Young. If it was an original model, then maybe.
The thing is, most models here are made with FS in mind, wich means that uber detailed ships like that could never be used. So why would anyone go the extra length to detail a model that he/she knows could not use on anything, and would just sit and colect dust on some HDD?
Get FS up to speed poly capacity wise, and i´m sure many models that would put that one to shame will appear. Untill then, we can´t hardly expect anyone to present such a detailed work while keeping it under FS poly standards. It´s just not possible.
As for the model itself, the nose greebling is practically useless. It´s only noticeble if you zoom in on the nose. Bring the camera back, and the detail vanishes. And this is without textures. Imagine it with textures... That detail could have been easelly done with bump-mapping, and those precious polys could be better spent elsewhere.
Still, the Roger Young is one of the best looking ships ever to come out of sci-fi. It´s my all time favourite.
:)
I take it you've never used any sort of rendering package. Example. (http://www.lwg3d.org/upload/finished/2004/12/04-210180.jpg) Not everyone here does things specifically for FS.
More examples:
http://www.lwg3d.org/upload/finished/2004/08/31-996764.jpg
http://www.lwg3d.com/upload/Jedi2016/2004/09/01-60849.jpg
http://www.lwg3d.org/upload/finished/2004/09/08-681551.jpg
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easy enough lol.
Copying pre-made objects point by point is really easy lol.
I do it at least once a month with the modern military equipment/ships I make for various people/contracts.
Id rather us have a low poly ship model/texture contest:)
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Originally posted by DamoclesX
Id rather us have a low poly ship model/texture contest:)
Used to be one (er, one as it happened once here, about 3 years ago).
I tried a couple of times to get it restarted, but never came to fruition.
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Originally posted by Getter Robo G
That's not the Roger Young. It's part of a three ST ship family made and one of them is posted on Turbo Squid (me and someone else here has it and is converting it it seems). The RY and one other ship are posted on Light Wave Group...
just FYI...
No, it´s the Roger Young, every hull plate, nut and bolt of it.
Check here:
The Roger Young
(http://www.merzo.net/images/1mppstarshiptroopersrodgeryoung.gif)
The "****ty Death":
(http://www.ap3d.uklinux.net/cruiser/cruiser1072k-1.jpg)
They are the same.
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Offhand, Roger Young has at the very least a different rear-end (Quad setup).
Wonder if Darkshears site is still up somewhere......
EDIT; (http://www.nugax.com/Starships/ShipPics/ry3.jpg)
(http://www.nugax.com/Starships/ShipPics/ry9.jpg)
(http://www.nugax.com/Starships/ShipPics/ry6.jpg)
I can't find a proper movie shot at the mo, natch.
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Originally posted by Carl
in case you haven't noticed, alot of uber high poly models have been made recently for renders.
Like, wich ones? I never saw them.
:wtf:
@aldo_14
I did say "most" of them, not all of them.
:p
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(http://www.poster.net/starship-troopers/starship-troopers-collage-3-2-pictures-of-spaceships-trooper-camp-3700148.jpg)
Natch, the RY has a quad engine assembly.
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Best I can find;
http://www.vfxhq.com/1997/starship-picsspace.html
Interesting to think how little computer graphics were used in comparison to what you'd expect.....
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(http://www.nugax.com/Starships/ShipPics/ry4.jpg)
(http://www.merzo.net/images/1mppstarshiptroopersrodgeryoung.gif)
Even if the RY has a diferent engine setting, both ships share too many similarities to call the ****ty Death an original. At best, it´s a MKII of the RY.
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It was created from scratch, I think you're being a little to critical for criticisms sake now :)
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Same ship class, different ship designation. Calm down.
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RY (http://www.lwg3d.com/v3/resources/item153-1.jpg)
Yamamoto (http://www.lwg3d.com/v3/resources/item154-1.jpg)
Volcano (http://www.lwg3d.com/v3/resources/item155-1.jpg)
Notice how they're all very similar, but different enough to be different ships? Yeah.
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It's just like the modern-day Kiev or Kirov classes. They build each ship of the class slightly different.
And if you hold me to that standard, well, I'm screwed...
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does it give a polycount anywhere on the site? i'd really like to know. kthnxbye.
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meh... i dont like it.
when i read starship troopers, i envisioned the RY as something more along the lines of a torpedo frigate (HW2). i dont know why. i just did. well, except it was a dropship :)
BTW, i never seen the movie, just read the book.
that is my 2 cents.
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Kier Darby is a god
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Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
Uh? What standard? That´s the Roger Young. If it was an original model, then maybe.
The thing is, most models here are made with FS in mind, wich means that uber detailed ships like that could never be used. So why would anyone go the extra length to detail a model that he/she knows could not use on anything, and would just sit and colect dust on some HDD?
Get FS up to speed poly capacity wise, and i´m sure many models that would put that one to shame will appear. Untill then, we can´t hardly expect anyone to present such a detailed work while keeping it under FS poly standards. It´s just not possible.
:)
That's what normal maps are for...
...we need normal maps
as a side note the 'D' on my keyboard is wearing away.
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Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
Even if the RY has a diferent engine setting, both ships share too many similarities to call the ****ty Death an original. At best, it´s a MKII of the RY.
And I presume you've never made a model that's derivative of another design in some way?
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Originally posted by aldo_14
And I presume you've never made a model that's derivative of another design in some way?
Yes i have, but i don´t pretend it to be something else.
Just imagine that i download one of your models, shift some vertex around, and then call it "my" model. How would you feel about that?
:nervous:
Anyway, let´s drop the subject. We´ve all shared our views on the matter, no need to go over them a million times again.
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On a more worth while subject, have you guys browsed the site? There are some really great tutorials on various subjects. The author uses Lightwave, but most of the tips are pretty much standard for any modelling program.
http://www.ap3d.com/ws/ (http://www.ap3d.com/ws/)
Note the "Adding mesh detail" tutorials, very good stuff. You will need to click on "Tutorials" on the right side, and then choose a button on the down scroll list. I can´t link directly.
:yes: :yes:
Here:
http://www.ap3d.com/betterspace/betterspace-tut-06.htm (http://www.ap3d.com/betterspace/betterspace-tut-06.htm)
http://www.ap3d.com/betterspace/betterspace-tut-00.htm (http://www.ap3d.com/betterspace/betterspace-tut-00.htm)
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Originally posted by Grimloq
when i read starship troopers, i envisioned the RY as something more along the lines of a torpedo frigate (HW2). i dont know why. i just did. well, except it was a dropship :)
BTW, i never seen the movie, just read the book.
Trust me-- if you saw the movie, the starship designs would be the least of your complaints.
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Some acting would have been nice....
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Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
Yes i have, but i don´t pretend it to be something else.
Just imagine that i download one of your models, shift some vertex around, and then call it "my" model. How would you feel about that?
I think I'm the only one who's confident to speak on this matter. The ****ty Death looks like the Roger Young because it was designed to. It's an old Spacebattles joke and Kier decided to make a model of the RY, cept he did it how he liked it. '****ty Death' is a reference to how crappy the RY ships were when getting shot at. :p