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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => FS2 Open Coding - The Source Code Project (SCP) => Topic started by: Carl on December 18, 2004, 11:31:33 am

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Carl on December 18, 2004, 11:31:33 am

I downloaded 3.6 finally, using Fractux's install program. everything works fine except...*sniff* there is no specular :(

i have the specular tag checked in the launcher, so it should show up, but it doesn't. is this a known problem?

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: phreak on December 18, 2004, 11:32:31 am

system specs?

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Carl on December 18, 2004, 11:39:30 am

Pentium IV 3 GHZ
Radeon 9800 AGP
1024 MB RAM (I think)
Direct X 8

and specular used to work.

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: karajorma on December 18, 2004, 11:46:05 am

If you have a Radeon card and greater than Catalyst 4.4 then yes it's a known problem.

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Black Wolf on December 18, 2004, 11:55:58 am

For what it's worth, having recently upgraded to a Radeon card, I share your pain.

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Carl on December 18, 2004, 11:58:59 am

any chance of fixing it in the near future?

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: WMCoolmon on December 18, 2004, 02:01:26 pm

Kazan said he was going to work on it, IIRC.

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Bobboau on December 18, 2004, 02:54:27 pm

it's going to need vertex shaders most likely, that's going to be a big project that is going to take sevral people working on at the same time for sevral months at least (but when we're done it'll be better than ever)

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Turambar on December 18, 2004, 03:13:23 pm

does that mean that youre going to do it?

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Post by: Dazza8082 on December 18, 2004, 04:22:58 pm

ohh, this sounds good...bar bug fixes how far down the list of things to do would you say is it?  

Of course it would be nice if ATI could help you guys on this one but after repeted e-mails about it ive not heard so much as a whisper, although i did get a quick answer for a HL2 question so i guess its because its no longer a retail game.

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: JR2000Z on December 18, 2004, 07:30:37 pm

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Originally posted by Carl
Pentium IV 3 GHZ
Radeon 9800 AGP
1024 MB RAM (I think)
Direct X 8

and specular used to work.

You do realize that the Radeon 9800 is a DX9 card right? :wtf:

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: kasperl on December 19, 2004, 06:41:10 am

I'm running a R9800 on factory drivers, but it works over here. Full specs:

AMD 64 3000+
1GB DDR RAM
Radeon 9800 Pro
Latest build


Spec and env both seem to work, and it looks beautifull.

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: karajorma on December 19, 2004, 08:21:49 am

That's on which version of the catalysts kasperl?

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: kasperl on December 19, 2004, 09:01:03 am

Whatever was on that box when it came from the store. I haven't  updated them since I reinstalled last time. I'll check.

commandlines on build 365:
fs2_open_r.exe -spec -glow -pcx32 -jpgtga -d3dmipmap -ship_choice_3d -targetinfo -2d_poof -env -alpha_env -fps -show_mem_usage  -allslev -fov 0.39
Cats: 6.14.0010.6387 according to dxdiag, 6.14.10.6387 according to display driver property's.
DX:9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)

AA on D3D Multisample 2. This, in combination with the GF font fix does give me blue lines in the interface. However, without the font fix I have garbage fonts.

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Overlord on December 19, 2004, 10:51:00 am

When you disable -pcx32 the blue lines should disappear.

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: kasperl on December 19, 2004, 11:54:44 am

Ah, I'll try that.

edit: it worked, thanks.

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: IceFire on December 19, 2004, 11:58:51 am

Quote

Originally posted by kasperl
I'm running a R9800 on factory drivers, but it works over here. Full specs:

AMD 64 3000+
1GB DDR RAM
Radeon 9800 Pro
Latest build


Spec and env both seem to work, and it looks beautifull.

No such thing as factory drivers anymore.  Not for video cards...we call them "old drivers".

What Catalyst version?  Probably before Catalyst 4.4 and thus is works.  Above 4.4 and its broken.

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: mitac on December 19, 2004, 02:38:21 pm

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Originally posted by kasperl
Cats: 6.14.0010.6387 according to dxdiag, 6.14.10.6387 according to display driver property's.

That's Catalyst 3.8. No wonder it works.

These drivers might even work with some pre-voodoo-ati-cards, considering how old they are. :D

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: DrunkenPirate on December 20, 2004, 01:20:02 am

I have the same card and I can get environment mapping to work but not Shine Mapping. I can live without it I guess since I am not sure what I am missing, but I cannot use old drivers because of the many fixes for games I play in the newer ones.

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Post by: Dazza8082 on December 20, 2004, 02:38:33 am

They wouldnt of changed something massive, it'll be something silly that had a side effect of screwing over SCP, does anybody have access to the ATI driver code, not the new stuff, but 4.6 and 4.7, or perhaps there is a way to cross ref them both in there settings on a new system, or if we know the compiler can we *cough  decompile cough* them.... or even better does anyone know anyone from ATI that cold at least answer our questions!!

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Post by: Kazan on December 20, 2004, 02:47:33 am

Quote

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Kazan said he was going to work on it, IIRC.

no i didn't

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Carl on December 20, 2004, 03:01:02 am

pwetty pwease?

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Post by: Bobboau on December 20, 2004, 03:26:50 am

he's not a graphics programer, he's, sorta, fixing fred right now and that's more important.

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Post by: Turnsky on December 20, 2004, 06:57:17 am

well, do what you must, i know it's a pity that specular doesn't work at present for most ATI users. but, it's only a speedbump..

so far, the SCP have done an exceptional job for bringing an old engine to modern standards. kudos guys.

i can't wait to see the test builds for the vertex shading system, however, that'll be a treat to behold.

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Singh on December 20, 2004, 06:58:51 am

im using 4.4, and it works pretty well. Looks ub3r too! :D

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Post by: Bobboau on December 20, 2004, 10:57:29 am

when we add vertex shaders it's probly going to b the time to change the model format, so when that happens it's going to be a big deal, and you are going to have lots more options.

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: pecenipicek on December 20, 2004, 12:31:24 pm

****... 10k poly models :D
ought to bring your Pc crashing faster than a marmeluke.









what about increasing the play box size?

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Gregster2k on December 20, 2004, 02:56:51 pm

How big is the play box now? Isn't it big enough? LOL

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Carl on December 20, 2004, 03:50:41 pm

150 km

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: SuperCoolAl on December 21, 2004, 01:41:04 pm

Have you tried OpenGL? Just tried it on my 9800 pro and specular *sorta* works. At least it doesn't seem as shiny as it was on my GF4 Ti4200 on D3D8, and on some ships doesn't work at all (e.g. Eos in Inferno). But its been a while since I played (just reinstalled tonight) so my memory may be letting me down.

BTW I have 3.6.5 Zpack and beta build

edit- what I mean is sometimes whole sides of a large ship will light up when I look at them from a certain angle

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Nicolas on December 21, 2004, 03:58:28 pm

I have a Radeon too... and things don't shine.

I would really like things to shine; would there be a way to bypass this "Radeon" trouble-giving thingy and get the shine anyway?

I'm willing to make sacrifices...

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Nicolas on December 21, 2004, 04:56:22 pm

I've looked around... I found two solutions:

1-  Use OpenGL
Doesn't work for me. All ships become white.

2- Install some older "Catalyst 4.4" driver.
I'd try that if I knew how. I thought I knew how until it didn't work...

Could anyone please help me?

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: StratComm on December 22, 2004, 12:44:13 pm

Well, thanks to the latest product cycle from Radeon, the 4.4 drivers are no longer an option as the latest cards just can't use them.  If you've got an older card and can find the 4.4 drivers somewhere, you can probably install them if you uninstall the ones you are currently using first.   If it's still not working (and there are a scattering of people who haven't been able to get them working under any conditions) then you're out of luck.  There ultimately will be a fix to this, but no-one outside of the internals knows anything remotely close as to when it will be done.

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: quadrophoeniX on December 22, 2004, 05:37:58 pm

there's a thingy called driver cleaner and you will find it on driverheaven (http://www.driverheaven.net) that should get you rid of all that's left after driver uninstall and start from scratch...(also highly recommended if you once change from this to that GPU manufacturer... the other thing would be UPGRADE to the latest CAT version (because now they have a cute uninstaller) and then go software uninstaller and run ATI uninstall assistant (at least this is how I would translate the german word of it...) still a run of driver cleaner afterwrds wouldn't do no harm...

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: .::Tin Can::. on December 22, 2004, 06:27:45 pm

Who has the 4.4 drivers? Me want shiney!

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Hippo on December 22, 2004, 07:37:56 pm

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Originally posted by StratComm
If it's still not working (and there are a scattering of people who haven't been able to get them working under any conditions) then you're out of luck.

*raises hand*


I'll personally sacrifice Cobra to the person who fixes it...

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Nicolas on December 23, 2004, 02:53:05 am

I tried uninstalling my drivers and installing the 4.4 ones, but although that process went well, nothing shined afterwards.  Should I reinstall the game or something, just to make sure?... or should I just take for granted I can't get the shine?

OpenGL almost works... most ship models are all-white, but a select few, like the Pegasus, Tauret, Astaroth and that Vasudan Destroyer, whatever it's called, work. And they make me drool.

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Nicolas on December 23, 2004, 11:34:24 pm

Good news!

I tried to make OpenGL work, and it worked. I rebuilt FS2 from the ground up, and after installing FS Open, I made back-ups of my Data folder every time I upgraded the ship models/textures/whatever. I realized that my shinemaps caused most ships to appear white; I removed them and installed a different set.

So I'm now playing the game, albeit with Open GL, with all the shine I want! Joy!

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Taristin on December 23, 2004, 11:36:47 pm

OGL does things differently, and shine has never died in it, AFAIK...

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Carl on December 24, 2004, 01:39:52 am

no, but it sure looks different.

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Fury on December 24, 2004, 09:49:45 am

I've found that OpenGL is suprisingly good with my Radeon in the 3.6.5 beta. At least I've got my shiny. :)

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Hippo on December 26, 2004, 12:21:26 pm

Same here, however under OGL, i don't get env mapping... :(

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Singh on December 26, 2004, 02:53:44 pm

well, at least the shineys work. and its got decent framerates too.

Pity it has other odd texture errors tho.......

Title: Where's my shiny?
Post by: Hippo on December 26, 2004, 02:55:45 pm

(http://sectorgame.com/ahtw/other/shinyithink.jpg)

It's been so long, i had forgotten what it looked like!