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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Cabbie on December 20, 2004, 10:51:23 pm
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http://www.fcdnet.org/chernobyl/chapter1.html
Interesting read and tons of pictures of good ole Chernobyl by a lady biker who went through the ghost town. She's got balls thats for sure.
The most heartbreaking part was the last set of pictures the author took. Shots of a kindergarden.
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Wow. Neat find Cabbie. Great pics too.
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Those last shots were painful.
Some tourists companies have been trying to arrange extrim tours in this town, but people- their customers scared and complaining about silence which is hard to stand in empty town. They charged 1200 hryvnas for 2 hours excursion and town guard says, they all were leaving in some 15 mins, complaining that silense is tremendous as if one got deaf and it ring them in ears and place is bad...
:( It looks like all the training didn't help too much...
(http://www.fcdnet.org/chernobyl/chapter26_files/image26_002.JPG)
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she's got balls, I'll give her that.
the Chernobyl zone might actually be a one of a kind place on earth, total horror movie type atmosphere. I'de like to go there sometime, just to see what its like.
or just wait for STALKER to be released.
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Apparently that whole thing is a work of fiction. So says my digital culture prof...
Hard to say...pretty stark images tho.
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Originally posted by IceFire
Apparently that whole thing is a work of fiction. So says my digital culture prof...
Hard to say...pretty stark images tho.
So you mean the pictures and story was a hoax? That piqued my interest please elaborate.
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What is? The pictures or the Chernobyl accident itself?
and how would you digital culture prof know, this has only just been posted (unless you already saw the pics at an earlier time, in which case, my bad)
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This has existed for at least a few months...I've seen it before.
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A mate of mine told me about this somewhere last year. I always said I'd check it out, never got to it.
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Originally posted by IceFire
Apparently that whole thing is a work of fiction. So says my digital culture prof...
Hard to say...pretty stark images tho.
As I was reading the site I thought that too. Something about the writing, the photographs didn't make sense. Maybe because so many of the photographs seem to have been taken with different cameras.
Dunno if they're completely false, I just doubt the page was made by who it says it was.
Edit: Who were these pictures taken by, for example?
http://www.fcdnet.org/chernobyl/chapter22_files/image22.JPG
http://www.fcdnet.org/chernobyl/chapter19_files/image19_002.JPG
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Originally posted by IceFire
Apparently that whole thing is a work of fiction. So says my digital culture prof...
Hard to say...pretty stark images tho.
:nod:
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/1026/
http://www.uer.ca/forum_showthread.asp?fid=1&threadid=8951
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Edit: Who were these pictures taken by, for example?
http://www.fcdnet.org/chernobyl/chapter22_files/image22.JPG
http://www.fcdnet.org/chernobyl/chapter19_files/image19_002.JPG
Read that carefully, WMC... She clearly states that she had a native guide, of those who make a living from guiding "tourists" through the ghost town.
Oh yeah, this one reminds me of the Chernobyl radiation stories... In the southern Poland, where I was born, the threat was recognized pretty quickly. I was like 6 months old and they gave us the "Lugol's Solution" in order to prevent dying from radiation exposure.
When the rad-cloud reached us... Nothing happened. The extreme doses of Lugol (applied by horrified nurses and parents) did more harm than good.
Anyway, I think Elena hasn't made it up. I've heard similar reports from the dead zone.
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Elaboration and hoaxes aside, there's enough interesting stuff there. It must be hard to describe the utter silence and abandonment of a place like that...
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I fail to see what parts of the story would be worth making up?
I can understand a bit of poetry when making it, even if the poor english defeats the purpose.
But it is a spooky story. I wouldn't mind going through their myself one day though.
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that's a true definition of a modern-day ghost town.
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I believe it's true what She Writed, that area is dead there is some peoples around mostly old and animals.
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Originally posted by Grug
I fail to see what parts of the story would be worth making up?
I can understand a bit of poetry when making it, even if the poor english defeats the purpose.
But it is a spooky story. I wouldn't mind going through their myself one day though.
Apparently there's not even birds living there.......
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According to http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/ she was actually with her husband and friend. The photos are pretty much the real deal though.
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An interesting site. Even more interesting that it was supposedly fake, even tho the photos look somewhat real.
I've bookmared the tour guide page. Maybe one of these days, I'll make enough money to go down and pay a visit.
This may sound like a strange question actually, but how exactly did they make the 'sacrophagus' that surrounds the reactor itself? I've heard from somewhere that it was considered sending a remote vehicle inside to have a look through the facility?
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It was done using a lot of concrete and less than the truth with the people being sent in to do it.
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http://www.grs.de/en/topics/eastern_europe/chernobyl/sip.html?pe_id=76
The last reactor being shut down: http://www.neutron.kth.se/gallery/chernobyl/
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Anyone else find it tragically ironic that the whole Chernobyl disaster happened because of a poorly thought out safety test?
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Originally posted by karajorma
Anyone else find it tragically ironic that the whole Chernobyl disaster happened because of a poorly thought out safety test?
Half expected it actually. Cutting corners may seem as a good option today....but then, it turns out that it can affect millions in the long run.
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I've always wanted to go into the ghost cities around Chernobyle and see if there's any good loot :D
Not to be disrespectful, but i mean, there's gotta be tons of stuff in there for the brave/stupid salvager.
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The thing is that it wasn't a problem of cutting corners. The Technicians in Chernoybl deliberately ignored safety instructions and operating proceedures and actually turned off other safety devices that would have prevented the disaster.
Whenever I read an explaination of what happened on that day I'm amazed by the stupidity of all concerned.
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as I said, cutting corners. Although the government didn't do it, they did. Look where it got them now tho.
Still.....should they decide to send a rover into the sacrophagus I bet seeing the inside of the reactor core would be pretty haunting, especially since its been empty for almost twenty years now. Imagine what the radiation has done to the interior of that place.....
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They also cut corners. Some of the safety gear wasnt installe,d and the stuff that was installed went to the lowest bidder. I forget the specifics, though.
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Also:
(http://www.fcdnet.org/chernobyl/chapter26_files/image26.JPG)
What's that tag in the bottom for? That website doesn't exist.
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I think we should for once put our curiosity aisde and just seal the thing up more effectively, with a memorial on the new tomb as a warning to future generation: Don't mess with power you can't control.
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Originally posted by karajorma
The thing is that it wasn't a problem of cutting corners. The Technicians in Chernoybl deliberately ignored safety instructions and operating proceedures and actually turned off other safety devices that would have prevented the disaster.
Whenever I read an explaination of what happened on that day I'm amazed by the stupidity of all concerned.
AIEA blamed cost cutting (on the shielding in particular IIRC) in their revised 1993 result, though (the earlier report - in 89 or so - blamed the technicians).
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
They also cut corners. Some of the safety gear wasnt installe,d and the stuff that was installed went to the lowest bidder. I forget the specifics, though.
I'm not doubting that they cut corners. However the stupidity involved was such that even if they had those devices installed they would have simply turned them off like they did with the other devices which were installed.
Aldo : That's like blaming a faulty seat belt for not saving your life if you deliberately drive into a tree at 100mph. Sure it would have helped if it had worked but a better solution would have been to have not driven into the tree in the first place.
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Chernobyl was not a hoax...or at least nothing leads me to believe that (hell, they say Apollo programme was a cold war hoax). That question answered :)
All I've heard is that this traveling through the dead zone thing was a hoax. But I could be totally wrong...I have nothing more on it.
The pictures are still very well done.
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Originally posted by Rictor
or just wait for STALKER to be released.
Or see the movie with the same name.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Aldo : That's like blaming a faulty seat belt for not saving your life if you deliberately drive into a tree at 100mph. Sure it would have helped if it had worked but a better solution would have been to have not driven into the tree in the first place.
But if you're driving at, say, 10 miles over the speed limit and your steering fails........... it's a different issue. The '93 report revised the root cause of the accident as due to being design error.
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You got a link to where you read this? The catalogue of idiocy I read had nothing to do with cost cutting.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_accident
I can't find the actual IAEA report/s, though. The IAEA FAQ (http://www.iaea.or.at/NewsCenter/Features/Chernobyl-15/cherno-faq.shtml) isn't too explicitly about who or what was to blame, natch;
1. What caused the Chernobyl accident?
On April 26, 1986, the Number Four RBMK reactor at the nuclear power plant at Chernobyl, Ukraine, went out of control during a test at low-power, leading to an explosion and fire that demolished the reactor building and released large amounts of radiation into the atmosphere. Safety measures were ignored, the uranium fuel in the reactor overheated and melted through the protective barriers. RBMK reactors do not have what is known as a containment structure, a concrete and steel dome over the reactor itself designed to keep radiation inside the plant in the event of such an accident. Consequently, radioactive elements including plutonium, iodine, strontium and caesium were scattered over a wide area. In addition, the graphite blocks used as a moderating material in the RBMK caught fire at high temperature as air entered the reactor core, which contributed to emission of radioactive materials into the environment.
It mentions both the ignorance of safety procedures and the lack of containment.... this bbc thing (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/778477.stm) mentions a fault in the cooling systems as being the initial cause. I think it's down to both; shoddy equipment led to the accident, shoddy workers led to it becoming a disaster.
(Stumbled on this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2965375.stm) too)
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You also have to remember that in 1986, the Soviet Union, failing as it was, would have been quick to distance itself from blame in this sort of disaster. The way I've always heard it, though, is that the "safety test" and negligence of the workers/oversight led to the meltdown, and the design of the reactor itself led to the catastrophy.
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Exactly StratComm. That's the point I was trying to get across. A western reactor might have survived the stupidity that went on in Chernobyl but the fact remains that the people there should have known that they were using a less robust design and therefore should have avoided the stupidity that was involved in the accident.
You want to know why I regard the accident as being caused by stupidity. Here's a layman's explaination of the disaster.
The reactors in Chernobyl used the electricity they themselves produced to power the pumps used in the cooling mechanisms. If the reactor loses power backup diesel generators kick in and power the pumps. However these generators take 50 seconds to power up which if far too long to leave the core without any cooling.
What the technicians wondered was would the inertia in the turbines keep the production of electricity going for long enough to power the pumps for 50 seconds.
In order to test this they dialled the reactor down to the lowest possible power setting and disabled any safety system that would have gotten in the way of the test. They then deliberately destablised the reactor and reduced the coolant supply.
There was one small flaw in the plan. In preparing a test to see if the pumps would keep turning no one stopped to consider what would happen if they didn't! They also broke the other important rule. Don't f**k about with a live nuclear reactor unless you know that the f**k you're doing.
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Stalker (http://www.stalker-game.com/index_eng.html) looks awesome.
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I'm completely in love with their sky textures. They look better than any game out there. Not to mention that the lighting model is right up there with HL2 and that they have managed to capture the atmosphere of the Chernobyl zone (yeah, like I would know) masterfully.
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IF they ever finish the sodding thing, that is; they've cut so much (co-op, seamless zone spring to mind) and been delayed so often......
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Originally posted by karajorma
Exactly StratComm. That's the point I was trying to get across. A western reactor might have survived the stupidity that went on in Chernobyl but the fact remains that the people there should have known that they were using a less robust design and therefore should have avoided the stupidity that was involved in the accident.
You want to know why I regard the accident as being caused by stupidity. Here's a layman's explaination of the disaster.
The reactors in Chernobyl used the electricity they themselves produced to power the pumps used in the cooling mechanisms. If the reactor loses power backup diesel generators kick in and power the pumps. However these generators take 50 seconds to power up which if far too long to leave the core without any cooling.
What the technicians wondered was would the inertia in the turbines keep the production of electricity going for long enough to power the pumps for 50 seconds.
In order to test this they dialled the reactor down to the lowest possible power setting and disabled any safety system that would have gotten in the way of the test. They then deliberately destablised the reactor and reduced the coolant supply.
There was one small flaw in the plan. In preparing a test to see if the pumps would keep turning no one stopped to consider what would happen if they didn't! They also broke the other important rule. Don't f**k about with a live nuclear reactor unless you know that the f**k you're doing.
Just...wow.