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Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: supernova_989 on December 25, 2004, 09:55:06 pm
1. Im making an arrival Cue for bombers. I also do a send messge.

>>Ship-type destroyed
--------100
--------fighter
You have to destroy 16 manticores and once you destroyed them the bombers (should) come. its crazy.

2. Also.....this might be something  I dont know
I want a Ravana To attack a station but all it does is fire turrets. I want it to fire its Lazers but I cant find out how........

   :mad:

Cheers,
Supernova_989
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Night Hammer on December 25, 2004, 10:00:03 pm
1. I dont know what youre asking


2.beam free-all sexp

or if youre on FRED Open there should be a checkbox to make it that way by default
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: supernova_989 on December 25, 2004, 10:20:21 pm
1. What else can you do to make them come when the Manticores are destroyed? If not, are manticores fighters

2.thanks
Title: Re: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Carl on December 25, 2004, 10:23:06 pm
Quote
Originally posted by supernova_989
I want it to fire its Lazers but I cant find out how........


ahhh reminds me of the VBB.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Night Hammer on December 25, 2004, 10:25:45 pm
do
is-wing-destroyed
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Singh on December 25, 2004, 10:31:16 pm
or even better:

is-destroyed-delay
---0
-----
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: FireCrack on December 25, 2004, 10:55:23 pm
Yeah, your asking it to check for ALL fighters, you're in a fighter..


If you kill all enimies, then your wingmen, then kill yourself somehow the bombers should come. However, i doubt that is the desired effect.
Title: Re: Re: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Night Hammer on December 25, 2004, 11:06:11 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Carl


ahhh reminds me of the VBB.


haha yeah, feeling all nostalgic:thepimp:
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Whitelight on December 25, 2004, 11:07:07 pm
A lot depends on (2) things..
(1) Are you using Fred2. standard version

To use the beams (in standard version) you`ll look in the events editor.
or


(2) Are you using FS2Open. (SCP) Sorce code project version

The events editor will have  modifications to various editors, changes made by the SCP.. Navigate these editors to find what you seek. ;)
 
Use the (Mission Specs) editor to beamfree by default... Beams are active at game start. and the (events editor) is used to trigger beam free at a specific time.
I hope this helps at least a little, had to many rum and cokes, hehehe. :D  

Oh i`m 49 so i`m allowed to drink, carry on. :p
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Trivial Psychic on December 26, 2004, 12:01:57 am
Be advised that the "all ships beam-freed by defailt" flag (IIRC) will only apply to ships that are present at the very beginning of the mission.  Any that jump in will require their own beam-free-all events.  Personally, I'd like to see the afore-mentioned box in the mission editor removed, and a similar box added to each ship's initial settings.  That way, you can say that a ship is beam-freed as part of its initial status... no activation event, even if it jumps in later.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Grimloq on December 26, 2004, 01:04:24 am
-or make it so that itll apply to ALL ships at ALL times (unless its locked by an event later, of cource)

or both... i dunno. im sleepy. dont mind me.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on December 26, 2004, 01:30:42 am
I didn't know that.  no...because i have ships warping in that are beam free when they arrive and i don't write an extra sexp for it.  I thought beam free all ships by default did that. i never knew so i never did it, and it works fine for me.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: karajorma on December 26, 2004, 04:39:48 am
Supernova. It's plainly obvious that you haven't done the walkthrough that comes with FRED since you're asking questions that it answers.

Put aside the mission you're trying now and with FRED open got to Help>>Help Topics. In the document that comes up click on the extended walkthrough option. Don't just read the walkthrough. Sit down and do it. If you're serious about becoming a FREDder the walkthrough will teach you about 90% of the things you need to know to get started.

If when you click Help Topics nothing happens get this (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/freespace/Downloads/freddocs.rar) and using WinRAR (http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm) extract it to your \FreeSpace2\Data\freddocs folder.

So far people have been happy to answer your questions but eventually their patience will run out when you're asking questions that are answered so easily for you elsewhere.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on December 26, 2004, 05:06:14 am
Kara's always so polite, he makes me sick.  

Go through the walk through and go to the fred academy.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: karajorma on December 26, 2004, 05:25:42 am
He's already signed up for the FA so he's taking a step in the right direction already :D
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on December 26, 2004, 06:11:46 am
Good deal.

WALK THROUGH!!!!!!
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Hippo on December 26, 2004, 08:47:58 am
Quote
Originally posted by Trivial Psychic
I'd like to see the afore-mentioned box in the mission editor removed, and a similar box added to each ship's initial settings.



And that, sir, was the content of my very first post on the VBB years ago :p ...

I probably still have that archived somewhere...
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: pecenipicek on December 26, 2004, 09:34:18 am
i have another question...
how do you move faster in FRED?
its too darn slow
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Hippo on December 26, 2004, 09:36:04 am
1 through 8, 1 being slow, 8 being faster...

Rotating is Shift-1 through Shift-4, again 1 being slowest, 4 being fastest...
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Nuclear1 on December 26, 2004, 11:05:03 am
Also, isn't "ship-type-destroyed" in his case, simply a number of the type of ship that must be destroyed?

In this case:

--when
      --ship-type-destroyed
               --100
               --fighter

Is that not simply asking for 100 fighters to be killed?

--when
      --percent-type-destroyed
               --100
               --fighter

That is the SEXP (I believe; haven't checked with FRED yet) ordering that all fighters in the mission must be destroyed -- including yourself, if you are in a fighter.

In his case, he would have to take ths suggestions of the people above, using:

---when
       --is-destroyed-delay
              -0
              -
       --send-message (or whatever he planned on)

Or chain it:

---when
       --is-destroyed-delay
              -0
              -
       --do-nothing

The above could serve as the arrival cue for the bombers (through "is-event-true-delay").

Chained:

---when
       --true
       --send-message
           --#Command
           --High
           --
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Goober5000 on December 26, 2004, 12:54:27 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Trivial Psychic
Be advised that the "all ships beam-freed by defailt" flag (IIRC) will only apply to ships that are present at the very beginning of the mission.  Any that jump in will require their own beam-free-all events.  Personally, I'd like to see the afore-mentioned box in the mission editor removed, and a similar box added to each ship's initial settings.  That way, you can say that a ship is beam-freed as part of its initial status... no activation event, even if it jumps in later.
No, that's not correct.  The beam-free-all-by-default mission flag applies to all ships, whether or not they are present at mission start.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: supernova_989 on December 26, 2004, 02:54:14 pm
Thanks. I have fixed BOTH problems.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: supernova_989 on December 26, 2004, 02:55:30 pm
How do you get music to play during missions? Because I made an intense battle scene and there's no music. How can you get it to play?
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Goober5000 on December 26, 2004, 02:57:07 pm
This can also be found in the walkthrough. ;)

In the Mission Specs dialog, there is a drop-down menu to select the in-game music.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Hippo on December 26, 2004, 03:00:19 pm
Or, as my brain calls it; "Shift-N, Click, Select, Click, OK."


But seriously, do the walkthrough... You're being receptive and all with our comments, and we're glad to help and all, but you'll find that the walkthrough covers everything you'll need and more... :)
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on December 26, 2004, 03:19:45 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Goober5000
No, that's not correct.  The beam-free-all-by-default mission flag applies to all ships, whether or not they are present at mission start.


That makes me feel better.  I didn't feel like going back through all of MT's Missions to fix that, wondering the entire time how i missed it when i was testing.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Nuclear1 on December 26, 2004, 07:01:06 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Hippo
But seriously, do the walkthrough... You're being receptive and all with our comments, and we're glad to help and all, but you'll find that the walkthrough covers everything you'll need and more... :)



:nod:

Supernova, you're probably one of the better n00bs around here. You ask questions and don't flame us when we answer, and you're not the bad type of persistent either.

Just remember (I'm sure you already know) that everyone here is willing to help, as long as you just give us a chance to.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: FireCrack on December 26, 2004, 09:20:16 pm
I belive the corect term is newbie
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: aldo_14 on December 27, 2004, 04:58:53 am
The proper term is 'new member'.  I ****ing hate the work 'newbie' and all it's alphanumeric derivatives.  It's simple; either people are nice, or twats - doesn't matter how new or old they are to a particular game or community.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Hippo on December 27, 2004, 08:27:46 am
Ooh! Analogies!


Newbie is to n00b, as Supernova_989 is to Cobra. ;)
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: pecenipicek on December 27, 2004, 11:15:58 am
thanks hippo for teh help...


where am in comparison to cobra&supernova_989?
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: aldo_14 on December 27, 2004, 11:18:24 am
Look left then a wee bit up.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Hippo on December 27, 2004, 12:04:19 pm
:lol: Scary how i understood that... :lol:
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: pecenipicek on December 27, 2004, 12:11:57 pm
meh i know that... it means im neither a newb or a n00b...
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: supernova_989 on December 27, 2004, 02:22:23 pm
Another question ( i know it is in the walkthrough, but i dont get it.)

how do you make Huge cruiser ships arrive?
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: pecenipicek on December 27, 2004, 02:29:17 pm
:wtf:
arrival cue?
or if you mean that green warp thingie?(sorry it looks green to me... i never use it much cause its used to show that a ship appeared through a Knossos. i think)
Ship editor->Misc.->Special Warp
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Trivial Psychic on December 27, 2004, 02:30:34 pm
Select your ship, place it on the grid, then cue its arrival either off another event or after a certain mission time.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: supernova_989 on December 27, 2004, 02:35:55 pm
Hehe duh:blah:  it was on hide cues the whole time:lol:
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: pecenipicek on December 27, 2004, 02:39:12 pm
and you call me a n00b...... *sigh.... loads up fred, starts fredding* we shall see what you have to say to this.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Hippo on December 27, 2004, 02:39:26 pm
Yeah, thats the most unnesscessary button... Especially since you couldn't possibly do something on the grid while ghanging ship stats (it it even possible?)... :p
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Nuclear1 on December 27, 2004, 03:18:30 pm
It's not :p

And Hide Cues is definitely one of the most annoying buttons in FRED2 (next to that clumsy "X" in the corner). I really only go into the SE to:

1) Change IFF stance
2) Weapons
3) Arrival/departure cues
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Hippo on December 27, 2004, 03:22:16 pm
thats pretty much all you HAVE to do there... everything else is sexpable...
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Nuclear1 on December 27, 2004, 03:30:24 pm
Yep.

Oh, and [OFFTOPIC]Hippo, how did AHTW work out? I've not been around for a long while, and was just wondering whether you finished it or not.[/OFFTOPIC]
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on December 27, 2004, 03:31:45 pm
what is this fred that everyone keeps telling me about.  I have a game called fred, and i put ships out there on a battleship like grid.  Not sure how to play it though.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Nuclear1 on December 27, 2004, 03:33:11 pm
:wtf:

Shadow, do I have to take away your drugs again?
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on December 27, 2004, 03:49:29 pm
Actually i think someone should....last week my doctor gave me a steroid shot, it reacted badly with the meds...it reacted even worse when we discovered that i am allergic to that steroid.  That was interesting.  

can i go play fred now?
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Hippo on December 27, 2004, 03:52:19 pm
[q][OFFTOPIC]Hippo, how did AHTW work out? I've not been around for a long while, and was just wondering whether you finished it or not.[/OFFTOPIC][/q]

Still in development :p there's a demo though...


Caffeine pills good! :nervous:


Erm, yes... Lets go play fred now...
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: karajorma on December 27, 2004, 03:55:29 pm
Quote
Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
what is this fred that everyone keeps telling me about.  I have a game called fred, and i put ships out there on a battleship like grid.  Not sure how to play it though.


It's a kids game. You're supposed to pick up the ship with the mouse move it over towards the other ships and make lots of explosion noises. Then you choose the losing ship and press the delete key :D
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on December 27, 2004, 04:01:01 pm
I CHALLENGE YOU TO A GAME OF FRED!!!!!!!
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Hippo on December 27, 2004, 04:05:54 pm
:lol:

and for a supernova, press Alt-F4! :p
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Grimloq on December 27, 2004, 04:25:21 pm
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you guys cant imagine how much i was laughing while reading all that...

and yo ucan do supernovas in ANY game! YAY!
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: Nuclear1 on December 27, 2004, 05:50:10 pm
...

Oy.

Shadow/Hippo/Kara: :lol: :wtf:

And I call down an error message...

...with the clipboard ;)
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on December 27, 2004, 10:28:11 pm
he slammed his clipboard on our little space ships.........we can't play fred now.
Title: First I didn't understand, NOW FRED is Retarded
Post by: pecenipicek on December 28, 2004, 02:43:57 am
:lol: :lol: :lol:
this is why i keep myself around :D