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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Eishtmo on August 31, 2001, 09:50:00 pm
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I want to know if you could ask a Freespace pilot anything they'd be likely to know, what would it be?
And this is semi-serious, if you don't mind.
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Just what is it like to do battle with Shivans? Do they still scare the hell out of you? Ever seen one cockpit-to-cockpit?
Actually, on that note, do you guys think we should be able to see Shivans through their cockpits? We could see Ash in his, and ships like the Scorpion certainly had cockpits. As has been said before, a Shivan seems to big to fit inside a fighter like a Dragon - just look at the ST movie where a Shivan jumped onto a Thoth fighter and destroyed it. The Shivan was almost the same size as the entire Vasudan fighter.
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maybe the fighters are just drones...
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One of the theories fits in conjunction with the theory that the Shivans we see are just bio-suits or something like that - basically that the real Shivans are little dudes that fit into these suits (like the aliens from ID4), and that the little dudes can get out of their combat suits, and implant themselves into a fighter or bomber, just as if it were another, albeit different type, of suit.
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It's completely possible that the Shivans seen in the FreeSpace and Silent Threat cutscene/video aren't the only type of Shivan that there is. There could be various classes of the little things; one for piloting fighters, a worker type class, a close-combat soldier, etc. I have absolutely no evidence to support this theory (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif), but there isn't anything against it yet. Still, it could be an explanation as to how they squeeze the buggers into tiny fighters like the Dragon. I guess they could just be really good at squeezing into tiny spaces as well.
As for asking a Terran Alliance pilot questions:
"Do you ever get disturbed shooting down other humans in the NTF-GTVA civil war?"
and....
"I've heard Admiral Petrarch and various squadron CO's aboard the Aquitaine say some pretty outstounding stuff about this 'Alpha 1' character. Do you ever get jealous of this guys' extraordinary success?"
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Originally posted by Slasher:
It's completely possible that the Shivans seen in the FreeSpace and Silent Threat cutscene/video aren't the only type of Shivan that there is. There could be various classes of the little things; one for piloting fighters, a worker type class, a close-combat soldier, etc.
This is part of the Hive theory, I think. Not sure... have to dig up some stuff from the VBB.
Oh, and another question - what are your feelings on flying with Vasudan allies? Do they ever insult you, act condescending? Does it ever jeopardise mission success?
[This message has been edited by Setekh (edited 08-31-2001).]
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Originally posted by Slasher:
It's completely possible that the Shivans seen in the FreeSpace and Silent Threat cutscene/video aren't the only type of Shivan that there is. There could be various classes of the little things; one for piloting fighters, a worker type class, a close-combat soldier, etc. I have absolutely no evidence to support this theory (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif), but there isn't anything against it yet. Still, it could be an explanation as to how they squeeze the buggers into tiny fighters like the Dragon. I guess they could just be really good at squeezing into tiny spaces as well.
As for asking a Terran Alliance pilot questions:
"Do you ever get disturbed shooting down other humans in the NTF-GTVA civil war?"
and....
"I've heard Admiral Petrarch and various squadron CO's aboard the Aquitaine say some pretty outstounding stuff about this 'Alpha 1' character. Do you ever get jealous of this guys' extraordinary success?"
nah, I've read somewhere about volition saying that what we see are actual shivans, and we don't have to imagine anything else, something like that.
What to ask with a GTA pilot... have you seen lots of shivans flying inspace like in that cutscene? héhé, turkey shooting...
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Originally posted by Slasher:
"I've heard Admiral Petrarch and various squadron CO's aboard the Aquitaine say some pretty outstounding stuff about this 'Alpha 1' character. Do you ever get jealous of this guys' extraordinary success?"
Originally posted by Raven2001:
"Did you like more FS1 or FS2?"
I said semi-serious guys. Also, I'd prefer if you'd lean more toward FS1 than FS2. You don't have to, of course, but it would be nice.
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Originally posted by Setekh:
One of the theories fits in conjunction with the theory that the Shivans we see are just bio-suits or something like that - basically that the real Shivans are little dudes that fit into these suits (like the aliens from ID4), and that the little dudes can get out of their combat suits, and implant themselves into a fighter or bomber, just as if it were another, albeit different type, of suit.
Maybe the fighters are shivans.
I mean that the ship itself is alive...
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That idea has been considered before, and I've always liked it. Shivans living inside other Shivans, sorta like a cavalry thing...
I'd ask: how exactly DOES a subspace drive work?
Then make billions on the patent (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif).
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no really, What kind of G-forces sling you aroung in the cokpit?
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Originally posted by Slasher:
Still, it could be an explanation as to how they squeeze the buggers into tiny fighters like the Dragon. I guess they could just be really good at squeezing into tiny spaces as well.
Ummm... tiny?? The Dragon is 16 meters long, 11 meters wide and 6 meters high! Think about it! Yes, it's smaller then the standard FS fighters, but still.
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Do you prefer orange windows(as seen on the erinyes and pegasaus) or black windows? Are you ever disturbed by the fact that the slash beams could discentegrate you without warning? Do you have to use a ladder to get to the vasudan ready room(it seems to be built in to the side of the wall and raised high off the ground)
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Originally posted by sandwich:
Ummm... tiny?? The Dragon is 16 meters long, 11 meters wide and 6 meters high! Think about it! Yes, it's smaller then the standard FS fighters, but still.
Still seems small in comparisson with the rest of the fighters. And you have to remember that a Shivan, while not gigantic, is considerably larger than a human or Vasudan. I don't know how big the Thoth is, but if you have Silent Threat take a look at the one movie where the Shivan splashes the Vasudan fighter and you'll see what I mean by "tiny". While the Shivan may still be able to fit inside the fighter, there's obviously going to be other stuff packed inside the hull too like equipment, weapons, computers, the engine, and other subsystems.
According to venom2506's post, my theory about there being multiple classes of Shivans is wrong. Thus, I'd have to conclude that the Shivans simply squeeze very tightly into the Dragon, assuming the fighters aren't drones or controlled by remote.
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Originally posted by Slasher:
assuming the fighters aren't drones or controlled by remote.
Ooooo, that'd be bad for the Shivans, but that's probably not the case, since the GTA and GTVA has captured several Shivan fighters, and if they still haven't figured out how to jam those remote control signals to disable Shivan fighters, they're most likely piloted.
Just some thoughts.
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Geez what d oyou think the Lucifer was a large remote control unit (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
What I would ask a pilot
Ursa or Medusa?
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mmh, a shivan is not that big. The evidence? look:
(http://www.descent-3.com/freespace/species/ada0001.jpg)
Remember the ST cutscene is a leftover, they didn't keep it for some reason.
A shivan can fit in a Dragon w/o any pb, according to this pic. Damn you can put 3 shivans in it lol
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Maybe some Shivans are taller than others, or even fatter. the one tht jumped on the THOTH coulda been a obese shivan. Most of em are skinny tho
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Originally posted by venom2506:
Remember the ST cutscene is a leftover, they didn't keep it for some reason.
A shivan can fit in a Dragon w/o any pb, according to this pic. Damn you can put 3 shivans in it lol
The same logic can be used on that picture as well. As I recall, it wasn't in a cutscene or even a command briefing, but one of many "left overs" for the credits.
And come to think of it, that Shivan is a "tiny" bit bigger than either the Vasudan or Terran there. Again, I'm not saying that they're huge, but when you look at one up next to a Dragon you can't help but think it's be a pretty tight squeeze.
I also doubt that the Shivan fighters are controlled by remote or drones, because as QXMX said, the GTVA would probably have found a way to jam them by now and make killing the Shivan fighters as easy as a turkey shoot. While I'm not saying this applies to all Shivan fighters, we know that a Terran pilot can fit inside a Mara. This means that there was likely space for a cockpit to begin with, which could quite possibly mean that there's a Shivan inside (we don't know this for absolute certainty which is why I'm not saying this as though it's fact, even if it makes 100% sense). And even after cockpit space was alloted, there was plenty of room for weapons stores and subsystems. Just more evidence to pick apart the drone/remote control theory.
However, I don't think we've ever heard of a Shivan being picked out of a fighter, have we? We know that they populate their freighters with them (the Hall Fight cutscene in FS1 is proof of this).
[This message has been edited by Slasher (edited 09-02-2001).]
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Actually, if you look closely, it's an Azrael.
obese shivan
Sorry but that just makes me laugh when I hear it (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Hard to imagine an overly xenophobic race bent on wiping anything that moves off the face of the galaxy becoming obese. Oh, and thanx for the correction. We know that the Shivans populate their transports at least.
And since I've strayed so far off topic here, I'd figure I'd better post a legitimate question:
"What fighter is your overall favorite, and what loadout do you use with it?"
Yes, I know you're all thinking what a stupid question this is and how it's sooo subjective. But you have to remember that if there was a real GT(V)A, we'd only be getting a glimpse into real piloting operations playing the game. Basically, just the combat part. We never see what's it's like to take the ship out of the hanger, enter subspace from the cockpit's point of view, arm missiles, and other things regular pilots would take as a given.
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I would ask
"Why can't you guys fly?"
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"What´s your real name, Alpha1 ?"
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Hey Slanker, why do you always use the wrong apostrophe (` instead of ')? Is your keyboard retarded? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Err, what else? Yeah, what did the training involve?
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Originally posted by Setekh:
Hey Slanker, why do you always use the wrong apostrophe (` instead of ')? Is your keyboard retarded? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Yes... :muppet:
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Originally posted by Setekh:
One of the theories fits in conjunction with the theory that the Shivans we see are just bio-suits or something like that
but Adam Pletcher said they were whagt the shivans really looked like, and that the metal things were bio-implants, not suites.
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Originally posted by Setekh:
theories
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