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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nuke on December 26, 2004, 03:00:22 pm
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not to be anti-libral but even i have a few shreds of morality left. even though theyve been repeditivly stomped into the ground and thrown into the cesspool of a rent-a-can. have some respect for the ladies and you might get some.
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Originally posted by Nuke
not to be anti-libral but even i have a few shreds of morality left. even though theyve been repeditivly stomped into the ground and thrown into the cesspool of a rent-a-can. have some respect for the ladies and you might get some.
Not to be pessmistic and not taking into consideration the contents of this thread (not touching it with a 10 foot pole)...there's quite a bit more to it than that. Respect seems low on the totem pole...judging by what goes on around me.
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Originally posted by IceFire
Not to be pessmistic and not taking into consideration the contents of this thread (not touching it with a 10 foot pole)...there's quite a bit more to it than that. Respect seems low on the totem pole...judging by what goes on around me.
That's why we should all be different, don't you think? :)
EDIT: And you know what's really sad? Guys are expected to treat women like ****, and guess what? Those that do hardly ever get them--I treat them respecfully, and I get more girls than all those "pimp" guys out there :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
EDIT: And you know what's really sad? Guys are expected to treat women like ****, and guess what? Those that do hardly ever get them--I treat them respecfully, and I get more girls than all those "pimp" guys out there :rolleyes:
I think that rather depends on circumstance - in my experience I've seen some complete ****ers have girls come crawling back to them after a half assed apology and a glass of wine.
This either makes some girls gullable, stupid or niave - or I'm the loser who doesn't know how to (mis)treat the fairer sex.
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Eh, treat them right. At least then you'll get a warm fuzzy feeling inside :)
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Some women you can treat right and they'll return the favour, some you treat right and they rip the arse out your relationship.
I'm sorry to break this to you lads, but this thing works both ways - many women are as shallow as guys.
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Originally posted by vyper
Some women you can treat right and they'll return the favour, some you treat right and they rip the arse out your relationship.
I'm sorry to break this to you lads, but this thing works both ways - many women are as shallow as guys.
Word.
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So? Is that mandate to treat them all as sex objects?
Sure, there are bad ones, but does that mean that it's ok to treat them all like how a lot of ****heads do?
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It means that some guys being dickheads is just the balance nature has for some women being *****es.
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[color=66ff00]Women generally have the mentality that what they cannot have is attractive, mostly because they see it as a challenge and as they say nothing worth fighting for is worth having.
As for the jerk complex; it's related to the above fact, guys who mistreat girls can give the appearance of being a challenge, something she has to fight to 'control'. They're seen as more spontaenious and therefore potentially more interesting to be around.
Unfortunately hollywood and television has given us this picture of the perfect guy as a touchy feely type and the perfect girl as a go getter.
In actual fact if you consider the real motivations of men and women you'll note that we are still pretty much locked into the same old patterns; guys want a feminine girl and girls a masculine guy. Obviously there are exceptions but the rule is a pretty good guide-line.
In my experience girls under the age of about 22 to 23 don't really know what they want, they go for attractive guys as this gives them a better status amoungst their peers, women in their mid 20's tend to realise that happiness and looks are independant and hence they go for guys that please them emotionally rather than just going for looks or status.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]In my experience girls under the age of about 22 to 23 don't really know what they want, they go for attractive guys as this gives them a better status amoungst their peers, women in their mid 20's tend to realise that happiness and looks are independant and hence they go for guys that please them emotionally rather than just going for looks or status.
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And either way, I'm completely ****ed.
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[color=66ff00]Well I guess it depends on what you want, if it's casual sex then alcohol breaks down all barriers, if it's companionship then part of that is balancing your needs and the needs of your other half.
Part of that is attempting to better yourself to be seen as someone that is worthwhile to be with.
I like Foamy's (foamy.williamwheatley.com/ffm6.swf) thoughts on the whole 'partner' issue though.
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Alcohol, weed and a hot stoner girl are generally the best combination.
That way neither of you really gives a **** how you treat each other and you just have lots of awesome sex. And as a bonus, you both have at least 3 addictions in common. And the conversation can be pretty good, regardless of either of your personalities because you'll both eb completely stoned all the time.
So forget all this treat-n-mistreat stuff - just get drunk and high, and ****.
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Originally posted by an0n
Alcohol, weed and a hot stoner girl are generally the best combination.
That way neither of you really gives a **** how you treat each other and you just have lots of awesome sex. And as a bonus, you both have at least 3 addictions in common.
Booze, pot and your sparkling personality?
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Alcohol, weed and a hot stoner girl are generally the best combination.
That way neither of you really gives a **** how you treat each other and you just have lots of awesome sex. And as a bonus, you both have at least 3 addictions in common. And the conversation can be pretty good, regardless of either of your personalities because you'll both eb completely stoned all the time.
So forget all this treat-n-mistreat stuff - just get drunk and high, and ****.
Originally posted by an0n
And either way, I'm completely ****ed.
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Houstan....I think we've found the source of the problem.
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Pfff.
All I want is basically a stoner ****-buddy.
Everything else is just bull****, corpo-whoring, sanctimonious, pseudo-religious, facist bull**** anyways.
I don't want some woman screaming at me for not buying her a present just because she got suckered by the money-whoring schemes of some super-corporation that decided in the 40's to rip people off at Christmas.
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Have you had a girlfriend that actually does that?
And to back that up, has any girl gotten close enough to you with that attitude of yours so that you could actually get layed?
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It's the green ones that have sentimental meaning. :p
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Maeg's posts?
They rarely even have sense, let alone sentimentality.
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Originally posted by an0n
There was one, but things didn't work out and she ended up floating through the Arctic Ocean on a dresser while I sank to the bottom of the cold briney sea...........No, wait. That was Titanic.
There was this nurse who I almost ****ed, but then I got shot down over Japa......No, that was Pearl Harbour.
So, to answer your question: Yes. Television has rotted my mind.
And to answer your next question: No. Blue M&M's were a spectacular failure.
What never fails is the guys who rave the most against girls on this board have never actually been close enough with a girl to experience the real thing, or they've tried one or two real *****es and then given up completely.
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Originally posted by an0n
Maeg's posts?
They rarely even have sense, let alone sentimentality.
MM's, not posts... :rolleyes:
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Actually it's usually the opposite, guys who go on about how you should be treating women are usually the ones who have the least real world experience with said women.
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Originally posted by vyper
Actually it's usually the opposite, guys who go on about how you should be treating women are usually the ones who have the least real world experience with said women.
Oh ho, so you're saying that any real man who's had tons of experience with women should treat them like crap?
I'm stilling saying that you shouldn't treat them like an0n does. I'd say something about being some sort of super-pimp, but on an online gamer message board, that sounds kind of pathetic. :D :rolleyes:
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No I'm say the guys that go around condeming the guys who do are usually compensating for lack of personal experience.
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So then what's your point? Do all men who say that women should be treated with respect have little or no experience with women? And that the only reason people say that they should be treated as humans is because they're jealous of the people who supposadly have lots of experience?
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I'm saying you're both virgins and I'd have more women than Superman has nails in his coffin.
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an0n, the only woman that would want you is your mother. Which explains your sister.
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No UT, I'm saying guys who correct everyone else on it are usually inexperienced.
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And I'm just saying that women should be treated as people, not sex objects. Does that therefore make me inexperienced?
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Originally posted by an0n
I'm saying you're both virgins and I'd have more women than Superman has nails in his coffin.
The man of steel has no coffin!
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
an0n, the only woman that would want you is your mother. Which explains your sister.
Okay, UT. Regail us all with tales of your sexual exploits. I've got 5 minutes to kill.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Women generally have the mentality that what they cannot have is attractive, mostly because they see it as a challenge and as they say nothing worth fighting for is worth having.
As for the jerk complex; it's related to the above fact, guys who mistreat girls can give the appearance of being a challenge, something she has to fight to 'control'. They're seen as more spontaenious and therefore potentially more interesting to be around.
Unfortunately hollywood and television has given us this picture of the perfect guy as a touchy feely type and the perfect girl as a go getter.
In actual fact if you consider the real motivations of men and women you'll note that we are still pretty much locked into the same old patterns; guys want a feminine girl and girls a masculine guy. Obviously there are exceptions but the rule is a pretty good guide-line.
In my experience girls under the age of about 22 to 23 don't really know what they want, they go for attractive guys as this gives them a better status amoungst their peers, women in their mid 20's tend to realise that happiness and looks are independant and hence they go for guys that please them emotionally rather than just going for looks or status.
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Not the first time I've heard this.
Unfortunately, I'm not a very good jerk...kinda sucks.
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Originally posted by an0n
Okay, UT. Regail us all with tales of your sexual exploits. I've got 5 minutes to kill.
No, because 1) I'm not that low, 2) You wouldn't believe me, and 3) Posting my sexual exploits on a public message board? You gotta be kidding me.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
And I'm just saying that women should be treated as people, not sex objects. Does that therefore make me inexperienced?
It doesn't make you inexperienced but it probably means you are inexperienced. Very often the people who say "I'm right, and anyone who says something different is wrong" are the inexperienced. The truth is, there are people out there who you can be nice and respectful to and you'll be far worse off than if you were a complete and total asshole to.
Ex: Guy A likes this girl. But, he doesn't ask her out and he's living paycheck-to-paycheck and doesn't have any money for a date. Eventually, Guy B asks her out and she goes out with him. But, Guy A eventually clears up a couple loans and now has some extra cash. His friends tell him, though, that the girl is going out with Guy B.
So Guy A does the respectful thing and doesn't ask her out.
But in fact, the girl was just going out with Guy B because he asked her and she felt like something was wrong with her because she didn't have a boyfriend. She'd always had a crush on Guy A, and still does, but he never asks her out, because he's trying to be respectful of her.
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I'm not inexperienced, I just think that everyone, of both genders, should be treated equally.
Ok, but Guy A doesn't know that, does he? Guy A is doing the right thing by what he knows, which is all he can do. If he wants, however, he can drop a line or two and see if anything bites. If it does, he could move in if he wants to. But at the start of the situation, as far as he's concerned, she's taken, and he can't have her, so he does the right thing. Unless you're saying that not moving in on someone else's partner is a bad thing, and you should do it at all opportunities?
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I'm very much Guy A. Damn...
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
I'm not inexperienced, I just think that everyone, of both genders, should be treated equally.
Ok, but Guy A doesn't know that, does he? Guy A is doing the right thing by what he knows, which is all he can do. If he wants, however, he can drop a line or two and see if anything bites. If it does, he could move in if he wants to.
But that wouldn't be respectful of the girl (Or the guy she's with!). As far as he knows, she's made her decision; the respectful thing would be to respect her choice, not to try and interfere with her relationship to Guy B.
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Read my post, I added an extra line or two (I edited it just after you posted yours).
Here:
But at the start of the situation, as far as he's concerned, she's taken, and he can't have her, so he does the right thing. Unless you're saying that not moving in on someone else's partner is a bad thing, and you should do it at all opportunities?
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I don't really think it's necessarily a "bad thing", although I don't think it's necessarily a good thing, either. It's more disrespectful than NOT asking, though, since he's essentially questioning her choice.
I don't see where I said you should move in on someone else's partner at all opportunities, could you enlighten me? My point was that so long as Guy A remains 'respectful' and never asks out the girl, he doesn't have a chance with her.
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I'm just trying to find your point. In combining your last post and the previous one, it looks like you're supporting my stance. Therefore, why did you couch it in such obscure terms?
However, if you were opposing my point, and using that as a situation where it would be acceptable to be a "bad guy" and move in on the person's partner, well, there's no way of telling if the attraction exists in the other party, so therefore, you must be implying that it is acceptable to go "fishing" every single time you want someone who is in a relationship.
And I don't understand this line:
It's more disrespectful than NOT asking, though, since he's essentially questioning her choice.
Are you referring that it's disrespectful to ask or not to ask?
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Put simply: Reap what ye sow.
If you steal a girl, she's there to be stolen.
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That statement has no correlation to the previously stated points made by WMCoolmon and I.
Nor is it particularly intelligable.
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It does. Just in an obscure way.
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Following most of your posts and arguments thus far: inane and only slightly relevant.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
However, if you were opposing my point, and using that as a situation where it would be acceptable to be a "bad guy" and move in on the person's partner, well, there's no way of telling if the attraction exists in the other party, so therefore, you must be implying that it is acceptable to go "fishing" every single time you want someone who is in a relationship.
Yes. I was going to say 'except if you just want to spend the night with them', but as long as they have the choice to say no, ie it's not rape, then I have a hard time saying that the person initiating things was doing something wrong by asking them.
And I don't understand this line:
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Are you referring that it's disrespectful to ask or not to ask?
I'm saying it's more disrespectful to ask. It's still being respectful, by asking, but it's still questioning her decision.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Following most of your posts and arguments thus far: inane and only slightly relevant.
Yeah, well, you're a virgin.
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Yes. I was going to say 'except if you just want to spend the night with them', but as long as they have the choice to say no, ie it's not rape, then I have a hard time saying that the person initiating things was doing something wrong by asking them.
So...which view are you supporting then?
I'm saying it's more disrespectful to ask. It's still being respectful, by asking, but it's still questioning her decision.
I agree, although I don't think it would always be taken as such.
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Originally posted by IceFire
I'm very much Guy A. Damn...
Ditto. Sucks when they don't bother to inform you of something THAT important.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
So...which view are you supporting then?
:wtf: "Yes".
In more broader terms, I think girls are still people (Who doesn't?) but I don't think respect is as important as you suppose. Trying to treat girls with respect is great...if you want a lot of friends. Self-confidence is much more likely to win the hearts of girls and women alike. Although to be brutally honest, girls usually tend more towards self-assured manipulative types, while women tend towards successful, self-confident men.
But I think a lot of girls don't want guys to be respectful, because they want to be able to stay back and judge them. A guy who is cotinually thinking of the girl will force her to reveal things about herself rather than learning things about him.
Women, on the other hand, are less insecure about their ability to judge people so they aren't as worried to put more of themselves out there.
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regaurding the a - b idea, there are things guy a can do to make themselves a variable in the equasion. theres always the option of a friendly date (i just had one of theese a few hours ago). this could be a lunch or a group date (i went out with 2 gals, one was single an another was in a relationship). the purpose of this date was to make friends, not to get laid. if guy a cant take the gal out on an offitial date, a friendly date may be in order. have lunch or take her and a couple of her/your friends out.the chance of her wanting to stay with guy b will diminish greatly if she is in beter company with her friends. this is a passive aproach that will allow you to avoid being disrespectfull. its like a girl you are dating all the sudden wants to just be friends, but tht works both ways. friends can become more. also it causes the side effect of getting to know more people which helps you find more potential dates. of course it helps to always manage your budget in a way to always have date money.
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Eh... I think the problem is many seem to assume women are some kind of hive mind. One 'strategy' that works for one of them will not necessarily work on all of them. They are, surprisingly, all different people. I don't really have all that much experience, but I treat my girlfriend with respect and have been with her for over a year, which seems to be longer than most teenage relationships last, at least. As far as I can tell, it's more to do with what kind of person you are, and what kind of person they are. There is no magical strategy that makes women like you (at least, for more than a few days, if you count alcohol/drugs as a strategy), or some kind of personality all women share.
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[color=66ff00]Being a jerk is what some guys try until they realise that the girls that go for jerks either are not emotionally mature or they have low self esteem and are needy.
I know guys who get depressed all the time because they're not in relationships but from some of the relationships I've seen they'd be more depressed if they were in one like that. As for looks determining your attractiveness; how many so called 'ugly' people have you seen in relationships?
Probably a lot.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Being a jerk is what some guys try until they realise that the girls that go for jerks either are not emotionally mature or they have low self esteem and are needy.
I know guys who get depressed all the time because they're not in relationships but from some of the relationships I've seen they'd be more depressed if they were in one like that. As for looks determining your attractiveness; how many so called 'ugly' people have you seen in relationships?
Probably a lot.
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Yeah...this is true...but the realiziation of these truths doesn't realy help the given situation. It just postpones things a bit longer...and a bit longer...until when? Is it destined for some people to just keep waiting or are they supposed to try and do something in the meantime?
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[color=66ff00]It's like anything else, unlikely to come to you if you just wait around. You have to find it for yourself and that means putting yourself in the right situations, you're not going to find a girl sitting inside all day, join some clubs that interest you.
Uni's great for that, you not only get to join clubs and societies that are interesting and fun, there are girls there too that share your interests.
I've never met any girl I was attracted to in a night club or disco.
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what ive found about dating is that it requires patience, respect, luck, and a $h!tload of cash.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]It's like anything else, unlikely to come to you if you just wait around. You have to find it for yourself and that means putting yourself in the right situations, you're not going to find a girl sitting inside all day, join some clubs that interest you.
Uni's great for that, you not only get to join clubs and societies that are interesting and fun, there are girls there too that share your interests.
I've never met any girl I was attracted to in a night club or disco.
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Yeah no problem there...got that advice long ago. More than just for finding girls...for self development. Thats what high school pushed and thats what I did in University. Student government, two student socities, and a couple of intramural sports teams. No joy...and not that I'd met protentials all over the place...but luck has not been on my side for any of them.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]I've never met any girl I was attracted to in a night club or disco.
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You're going to the wrong clubs :p
[EDIT]Phear my caps locking powers![/EDIT]
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screwing chicks you meet in bars might get your rocks off, but her little shvans will colonize the spheres of your nether reigons :D
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It's called a condom. Use eet.
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Originally posted by vyper
It's called a condom. Use eet.
condoms do not stop transmission of crabs
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Her, so... is An0n actually an admin? I mean, here?
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No. He did something for...Sandwich I think, and he got the title.
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What UT said.
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
You're going to the wrong clubs :p
[EDIT]Phear my caps locking powers![/EDIT] [/B]
[color=66ff00]Part of the attraction for me is a girl who can hold a good conversation. I'm not talking about weather here I'm talking academic material.
Lady 'nerds' are a bonus. :)
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The problem is there aren't many.
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Originally posted by vyper
The problem is there aren't many.
[color=66ff00]Lady nerds or girls that can hold a good conversation?
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Either?
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Oh the ones that can hold conversation and be academic are out there. And some of them are pretty good looking too. The trouble is that there's more to it than that. Do you have a connection with them? You know, that spark thats required. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Then like everyone else, what is their situation...are they single? Ha, probably no....but at least you can talk to em.
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I'm tellin' you, stoner chicks are the way to go.
They drugs make them laid-back/slutty and absolutely ****ing awesome lays. And because you'll be inclined to get high all the time, the lower aesthetic quality doesn't seem all that important.
The trouble is, it's hard to get a girl in that 'stoner' zone. Most of the time they either go straight into 'fem-hippy' or go too far and end up 'goths'.
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i like the quiet shy type. abit brainy but not quite a nerd. goth chicks are a plus.
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Originally posted by Nuke
i like the quiet shy type. abit brainy but not quite a nerd. goth chicks are a plus.
Now you're talkin'.
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I like someone who isn't greedy and is smart. Heh, it can go any way else from there.
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Originally posted by an0n
I'm tellin' you, stoner chicks are the way to go.
They drugs make them laid-back/slutty and absolutely ****ing awesome lays. And because you'll be inclined to get high all the time, the lower aesthetic quality doesn't seem all that important.
The trouble is, it's hard to get a girl in that 'stoner' zone. Most of the time they either go straight into 'fem-hippy' or go too far and end up 'goths'.
To each is own...
Not appealing at all to me.
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i couldnt deal with a chick that puts her adiction, or worse, her religion before me.
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Addiction is cool, because you always know where to find her for sex: Sitting on her couch watching Spongebob and trying to fathom the complex philosophical tapestry of his antics - or at her dealer's house buying more weed.
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you know I have an awesome video called Spongebong Hempants. Its basically a 10 minute episode of Spongebong and his buddy going to buy weed, and its very professionally done (as good as the real product).
They don't have the money, so they break into a car and steal the radio to finance they addiction. Good stuff. Might upload it Nodewar if I can find it.
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I'd like to see that :lol: