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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: FireCrack on December 31, 2004, 06:26:21 am
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/FireCrack/747Ursa.jpg)
and from the other thread
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/FireCrack/CarrierRach.jpg)
just to give a sense of scale
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I think you're a wee bit off with the Ursa; it's 54 m long (36|22|54), a 747 is 70m long ( 22 | 19 | 70). (maybe it's the angle, but the ursa looks the same length, as its also partly in front)
Still, I think it's fair to say the Ursa is somewhat...spacious.
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:lol: Sweet!
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:lol: I want more!
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Thanks. Back them, I kept claiming FS scale ( for fighters and bombers, I think it's fine for the rakshasa ) was idiotic, but heh :)
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lol ursa lol
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Has anyone ever made a size comparison chart for all the Terran fighters ? Might be interesting.
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What are they feeding us by the Great War?
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Originally posted by Nico
Thanks. Back them, I kept claiming FS scale ( for fighters and bombers, I think it's fine for the rakshasa ) was idiotic, but heh :)
The fighters aren't that bad, tho....
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Thumbs up!
I'd say that nukes have gotten bigger in the 24th century, judging by that Ursa. As for the Rakshasa/carrier shot, nicely done.
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dude, you could house a dozen people in that thing!
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:lol: It's great
I think, the Carrier have no Chance against a Rakshasa ;) Hmm.. it's maybe a good Idea for a Civilization Mod :D
Earth vs. Shivans ;)
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Interestingly, the Ursa is about the same rough size (wider, taller) as B52. So really it's the size of the cockpit that's an issue here.... if it's a 2 or 3 man bomber, the scale is more or less fine (accounting for extra life support and stuff needed)
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its still a big ass cockpit
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I just rememberd that there were an Ursa and a Medusa in the background of the Bastion mainhall, where you can see how big they actually are. In the final ani version there was also some deck personell walking around, and those green carts are about 2/3 as tall as a man.
(http://n.ethz.ch/student/ebuerli/download/Bastion_mainhall.jpg)
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how about size comparison of Collosus and some big city:p
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yeah the cockpit has bad proportions unless like aldo said theres more than one person in that thing, which would make sense to me
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Originally posted by c914
how about size comparison of Collosus and some big city:p
You mean Sathanas ;)
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Sathanas is shorter than Collosus but it's thick
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I'd assume whoever is the turret gunner would be in there too (unless that's automated).
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hmm.. Sathanas over a Big City.. it's Time for Freespace Jeopardy? :D
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Originally posted by aldo_14
it's a 2 or 3 man bomber
I don't think its a 2 man bomber because in FS you never saw another pilot or anything.
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EDIT: Nothing special ;)
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Originally posted by Col. Fishguts
(http://n.ethz.ch/student/ebuerli/download/Bastion_mainhall.jpg)
So really V just ****ed up the in-game measurements.
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Originally posted by kietotheworld
I don't think its a 2 man bomber because in FS you never saw another pilot or anything.
Actually, you never saw any pilots except the generic wingman anis, which don't actually show all that much anyways.
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exactly :D
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There is no whatsoever reason not to make the cockpit area that big if the ship is already so huge. Probably all the life support systems are stuffed in there, it is also possible that the cockpit can be jetissoned to act as a lifeboat.
There probably is a weapons officer (even the Apollo was a 2-man craft), and a lot of specilized equipment that do the bomb priming.
The Reference Bible mentions the Ursa as the most expensive craft flown by the player - "it costs as much as a small moon"...so no wonder the designers could give the pilot a little lee way.
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I like those pics, it'd be nice if someone could make something like that for all the ships in FS...
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I like those pics, it'd be nice if someone could make something like that for all the ships in FS...
As for big cockpits, remember that Herc that spend all that time in the neb? If the fighters have a bit of food supply, together with plumbing in the suit..... Sure, it'd be smelly if you let some guy sit in a cockpit for 4 days without a chance to shower, but you could extend patrolls.
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look at modern fighter jets.. particularly fighter-bombers & pure bombers..
i'd say a 2-3 man crew, maybe three for the ursa, two for the others..
the reason for this, is relatively easy.. one pilot concentrates on steering & combat, the other, radar/comms/ targetting solutions.
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Or turret operator.
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You'd think the bombers would have some form of landing gear too.
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Considering the hull size, I don't think that any landing gear could stand up to the strain...and if you can land on your main hull, why not do it? It's one less set of parts you have to keep in stock and sometimes replace.
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Originally posted by ngtm1r
Considering the hull size, I don't think that any landing gear could stand up to the strain...and if you can land on your main hull, why not do it? It's one less set of parts you have to keep in stock and sometimes replace.
considering these ships can take hits from nuclear missiles, I'd say their landing gear would be strong enough to hold them.
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Originally posted by Carl
considering these ships can take hits from nuclear missiles, I'd say their landing gear would be strong enough to hold them.
Whoever it was that wrote the info blurbs must have been laughing his/her ass off when he/she put that in.
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Always wanted to be able to hear copilots chatting away. . .
(that's a hint for you SCP people)
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I agree with kasperl. It would be great if someone did size comparisons like this for all the FS ships
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y'know, just thinking of a bit of scaling here.. and i reckon, that the cockpit of an ursa is about the same size as the one of one of the larger star-trek shuttles (type 9 for you ST boffins).. it might have some supplies onboard to help sustain bomber pilots during the long-haul
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/type9.jpg
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The Ursa is 41 meters. in modelview it says that it is 54 meters long because it includes the thruster cones. the ship model alone is 41 meters. that said, the pick should actually look something like this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Carltheshivan/4bdf7fc6.jpg)
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its still damn big.
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That looks better. The Ursa Cockpit is probably the same as the entire 747's crew cab.
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i'd say "bulky" offhand, it needs to be smaller.. that cockpit looks like it has room to move, and can carry a crew compliment of 5. :p
wish the lads at Volition were on hand to give us advice on this sorta thing..
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now do an Ursa shooting a 747!
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Originally posted by Turnsky
wish the lads at Volition were on hand to give us advice on this sorta thing..
I can see it now:
"Ursa ? What the ? Freespace ?? " :p
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Seems a bit too small in that pic, and too big in mine, main thing is getting the prespective right, wich is hard.
The ursa in both pics is essentialy the sams size but the position throws the prespective off making the former look bigger and the latter smaller.
I love optical illusions!
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That's because the in the later picture the Ursa wasn't resized to correct for the perpective of the picture.
Truth be told only a top-down pic would be a really good representation that would be both realistic and accurate - otherwise you either draw realistic but misleading perspectivly correct images or non-misleading unreal isometric pictures.
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Originally posted by MicroPsycho
now do an Ursa shooting a 747!
Not a good idea. It would probably be taken as some sort of terrorist code :)
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How's this for scale!?!
(http://uploads.savefile.com/users/uploads/ursascale.jpg)
I can manifest my own ideas...when I feel like it.
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LOL.
Now that's funny :lol:
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Tewwowism! TEWWOWISM!!!11
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Looks like I was bored again...
(http://img80.exs.cx/img80/2102/ursascale19pp.jpg)
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you just couldn't resist could you?
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Eh, the only reason the Ursa's winning is because they didn't beam-free-all the plane...
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should be a bigger 'splosion.
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Originally posted by MicroPsycho
you just couldn't resist could you?
Nope... :(
I've even worked on the first pic. But I could resist to post it. ;)
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Eh, the only reason the Ursa's winning is because they didn't beam-free-all the plane...
;)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/Turnsky/ursascale19pp.jpg)
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the ursa is still winning
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One Helios (Or even cyclops) from that Ursa would level the country.
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...slash world
now someone do the rachshasha slicing the enterprise in half.