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Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on December 31, 2004, 11:40:14 pm
(http://3dap.com/hlp/hosted/14_year_war/Raa/concepts/intercepterwip.jpg)
(http://3dap.com/hlp/hosted/14_year_war/Raa/concepts/intercepterwip2.jpg)



Comments? Flames? Accusations of idea thert?
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Singh on December 31, 2004, 11:53:28 pm
looks somewhat similar to the Claymore from Inferno...
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: JR2000Z on January 01, 2005, 12:01:40 am
X-Wing!
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Post by: pyro-manic on January 01, 2005, 12:05:09 am
You stole my idea!!! :hopping:










;)

I think I can forgive you for leaving the Ares alone - that is an excellent model. What is it? It looks a bit heavy for a fighter, but too sleek for a bomber. A true fighter-bomber perhaps?

I have only one possible gripe - those gun mounts are going to be useless, as they're a long way apart. Most shots will miss a target on either side. I don't suppose you can do much about that though. Have to wait for the SCP bods to implement gun synchronisation or fire-point angling....

Bloody good, though - best thing you've done for a while :nod::yes:
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Lightspeed on January 01, 2005, 01:01:34 am
Holy.....


wow.

Once again, you have me deeply impressed, Raa.

Absolutely beautiful model (I'd say on the same level as the Phoenix).
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Ypoknons on January 01, 2005, 01:02:31 am
Really pretty design, through the extensions on the lower guns look a bit too ornamental for a military machine, at least, before texturing.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: NGTM-1R on January 01, 2005, 03:06:53 am
Doesn't really look any more massive then the Eryines, just with its mass spreading out to the sides rather then to the rear.

Unless it's very small, though, those guns are going to drive you mad trying to hit anything smaller then an Argo.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Knight Templar on January 01, 2005, 03:41:12 am
Really, where did you steal that from? I swear I've seen something interestingly similar before.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Gloriano on January 01, 2005, 04:32:06 am
Woah really sweet model, Good work Raa.:) :yes:
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Psychoo on January 01, 2005, 05:34:02 am
IMHO the lower gun mounts have some useless details, they could be less detailed andmore round, like in Myrmidon. Except this, model is beautifull. Can't wait to see it textured:yes:
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: kasperl on January 01, 2005, 06:44:43 am
Very, very nice. What role will it be used in, something like the Herc 1 in FS1?
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: pecenipicek on January 01, 2005, 07:03:36 am
i think that those "gun" mounts could be nice missile mounts...
but that means you will have to make additional gun mounts
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Nico on January 01, 2005, 07:25:24 am
I don't like the two ubber wings, but the rest is pretty neat ( especially from side view ).
I'd say make the engines bigger, tho.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: TrashMan on January 01, 2005, 07:54:44 am
What's with the engines? tThey look like rubber hoses. I sugest trimming htem...

Othervise - :yes:
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: WeatherOp on January 01, 2005, 08:48:53 am
Yeah, that was what I was thinking, the engines need to be made bigger. It just don't look right.  The other parts of the model looks very good.

I would give you a Three Thumbs up:yes: :yes: :yes: , but sadly I only have two.:(
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Roanoke on January 01, 2005, 10:02:28 am
I'd be iclined to alter the wings leading edge:
(http://premium1.uploadit.org/magatsu1/blah.JPG)
they tend to dominate when viewing from above
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 01, 2005, 10:40:51 am
Tried that, it didn't look good.

I'll keep on it, though, since I don't think I'm finished yet.

Thanks for the positive feedback guys. For evreyone who says it looks familiar... picture the engines in red and orange. :rolleyes: (So I ripped Aldo off a little... :p)
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Moonsword on January 01, 2005, 10:54:22 am
Looks good.

I want to see the final model.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Janos on January 01, 2005, 12:47:31 pm
Nice. Somehow it reminds me of somekind of assault transport - used in boarding ships and so on.

Model is coal.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 01, 2005, 12:55:41 pm
:drevil:
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Lightspeed on January 01, 2005, 01:05:36 pm
Is he a bit.... tiny? :D
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 01, 2005, 01:12:13 pm
The glass distorts the image a bit, but yeah, he may be too small. I haven't the best sense of scale for these things...:nervous:

Edit: Easily fixed, though, since the chair he was in was too big. :p I just made him bigger and it works. :D
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Lightspeed on January 01, 2005, 01:25:58 pm
Of course, it's hard to guess the right proportions with those pesky little terrans.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 01, 2005, 01:39:58 pm
It's their unconventional body construction.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Knight Templar on January 01, 2005, 03:28:53 pm
Roxor. :yes:
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Lightspeed on January 01, 2005, 04:03:12 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Raa
It's their unconventional body construction.


Indeedy.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 02, 2005, 02:20:43 pm
UVing completed. Texturing in progress.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Night Hammer on January 02, 2005, 02:26:16 pm
can i have this instead of flipper? :D
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: aldo_14 on January 02, 2005, 03:45:53 pm
Interesting

Oi!  You nicked my winglets!  and after I let you see the ****** and soforth, as well
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 02, 2005, 04:07:15 pm
Sure... tell the whole forum I can't make original designs, why don't you?! :p
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: aldo_14 on January 02, 2005, 04:34:08 pm
:p
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Post by: Lightspeed on January 02, 2005, 04:35:58 pm
Can we use it in TVWP? ;7
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 02, 2005, 04:35:40 pm
Why am I always tempted to click those?
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 02, 2005, 04:36:51 pm
Can't you people atleast wait until after I ruin it with a horrible texture map? :rolleyes:
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: aldo_14 on January 02, 2005, 04:46:18 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Raa
Why am I always tempted to click those?


Why?  You have seen the other link, after all........
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Nuke on January 02, 2005, 07:49:20 pm
damn thats sweet
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 02, 2005, 08:40:26 pm
It ain't the best texture job, but I'm keeping it. I may, however, change some of these lights. But here's something to drool over.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: pyro-manic on January 02, 2005, 08:54:55 pm
*drools*

Awesome. I like it a lot. :yes:
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Carl on January 02, 2005, 09:12:45 pm
The model is awesome looking, but i would give it a gray color scheme.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 02, 2005, 09:27:54 pm
It'll look different once I shine map it.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Singh on January 02, 2005, 09:31:46 pm
yeah, i cant see the finished product in black!
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 02, 2005, 09:33:54 pm
Y'er gunna have to get on Styxx's back for this one. It's not wanting to convert! And I refuse to let my prescious even look at TrueSpace :p
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Singh on January 02, 2005, 09:37:31 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Raa
Y'er gunna have to get on Styxx's back for this one. It's not wanting to convert! And I refuse to let my prescious even look at TrueSpace :p


A resistor to the dark side I see :drevil:

Anyway to convert it straight to .ibx? or can that format only be created from .pof?
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 02, 2005, 09:39:04 pm
Err. I know nothing about the specs of the index buffer files... And no way to convert it to that, if that even did anything anyways.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 02, 2005, 09:55:47 pm
Poo. I can get the ship itself to convert, but the pilot and canopy are both missing. Go figure.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Lightspeed on January 02, 2005, 10:06:23 pm
Uh yes... The guy's still tiny :p

And the textures do need a lot of work. But the model rocks.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 02, 2005, 10:15:52 pm
You're free to play with the texes if you want. :p And the guy is as much to scale as the Ursa's cocpit so there :p
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 02, 2005, 10:41:30 pm
w00t! got it to convert!  But the pilot is tiny...  grr.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Carl on January 02, 2005, 11:02:58 pm
in that image you posted he looks about right for a 20 meter fighter.
Title: Re: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Carl on January 02, 2005, 11:03:42 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Raa
Comments? Flames? Accusations of idea thert?


your ship is full of idea thert!
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 02, 2005, 11:06:34 pm
It's more around 13M. :nervous:

(I'm afraid to try to resize it again, it may not convert)

And I was waiting for someone to catch onto my typo :P *tosses a shiva-snack at carl*
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Lightspeed on January 03, 2005, 01:56:40 am
Depends. The Phoenix doesn't want to be textured at all for some reason.

I think we may need a radical change of UVmap, even though the current one is actually pretty good, I just don't get anywhere. I feel lost :blah:

I'll PM you or something.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Nuke on January 03, 2005, 04:16:24 am
nice texture too
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Post by: Nico on January 03, 2005, 06:01:46 am
Quote
Originally posted by Raa
You're free to play with the texes if you want. :p And the guy is as much to scale as the Ursa's cocpit so there :p


But the Ursa is ridiculous in that regard, therefore, so is your ship. Shrink the ship.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Roanoke on January 03, 2005, 07:00:17 am
Quote
Originally posted by Raa
It ain't the best texture job, but I'm keeping it. I may, however, change some of these lights. But here's something to drool over. *snip*


damn, you should do a walkthrough/tut or somethin'
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Rictor on January 03, 2005, 08:20:59 am
I like it alot. Aside from the fact that the model vaguely resembles a dropship for some reason, I think its superb. The textures fit with the "Artemis DH" look (it was the Atremis, right? Its been a while since I played through the campaign.)
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 03, 2005, 09:24:43 am
Quote
Originally posted by Lightspeed
Depends. The Phoenix doesn't want to be textured at all for some reason.

I think we may need a radical change of UVmap, even though the current one is actually pretty good, I just don't get anywhere. I feel lost :blah:

I'll PM you or something.


A shame. That ship has so much potential, and I don'y really know how else to UV map it better.

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Originally posted by Nico


But the Ursa is ridiculous in that regard, therefore, so is your ship. Shrink the ship.


The ship is 13m long. Any smaller, and you'd never see it. The guy was enlarged since the last pic. I was only making the ursa joke to point out that the FS universe is way off. :p


Quote
Originally posted by Roanoke


damn, you should do a walkthrough/tut or somethin'


So... I take it you dislike my textures? :p
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Nico on January 03, 2005, 10:08:36 am
heh... if you take the size of the pilot as about 1.80m, this ship is definitively more than 13 meters long :p

As for the maps, now try to give them a more realistic tint :)
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: aldo_14 on January 03, 2005, 10:11:13 am
Make the cockpit 2-man.

 It;s proportionally very big compared to the rest of the ship, it could just as easily be a multi-crewed transport as a fighter IMO.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Black Wolf on January 03, 2005, 11:29:24 am
*Steals Raa's texturing style*
*Goes to fiddle with it*

I can do that. :D
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Nico on January 03, 2005, 11:32:34 am
Quote
Originally posted by aldo_14
Make the cockpit 2-man.

 It;s proportionally very big compared to the rest of the ship, it could just as easily be a multi-crewed transport as a fighter IMO.


That cockpit is at least 4 times the one of the Falcon in Starwars :p
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Carl on January 03, 2005, 11:37:31 am
pfft. na-ah. maybe twice as big.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Nico on January 03, 2005, 11:44:53 am
Come on, it's larger than my student room :p
There's enough room for a caps game in that corv... fighter cockpit :p
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Blaise Russel on January 03, 2005, 11:51:54 am
"Greetings, pilot, and welcome to the GDD Bashful, flagship of the Galactic Dwarf Alliance. Our war against the hated Brobdingnag Imperium continues unabated..."
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 03, 2005, 11:51:55 am
Bah! I say to all three of you! I don't care what you think! I'm keeping it as is. :p

And BW... there are much better mappers out there to steal from. :rolleyes:
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Nico on January 03, 2005, 11:54:50 am
Quote
Originally posted by Blaise Russel
"Greetings, pilot, and welcome to the GDD Bashful, flagship of the Galactic Dwarf Alliance. Our war against the hated Brobdingnag Imperium continues unabated..."


Lol, that actually made me laught :p

Quote
Originally posted by Raa
I'm keeping it as is. :p


But you're wrong :p Listen to my voiiiiice...
I knoooooow the truuuuuth...
shriiiiiiiink the ship...
shriiiiiiiink it!

Hem, gonna stop that, brings silly thoughts to my mind.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 03, 2005, 12:08:24 pm
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Originally posted by Nico


But you're wrong :p Listen to my voiiiiice...
I knoooooow the truuuuuth...
shriiiiiiiink the ship...
shriiiiiiiink it!

Hem, gonna stop that, brings silly thoughts to my mind.


the shiiiiiip is 13 meters looooong.

13 meeeettttteeerrrssss looonnnngggg...

And besides, I don't have to do what you say. It's my ship.

Where's that :booty: smiley when I need it?
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Nico on January 03, 2005, 12:18:31 pm
There's no way it's only 13 meters long, or that guy is less than a meter tall :p
Anyway, don't care, I'm going back to uni, so cya, take care :p
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 03, 2005, 12:22:41 pm
's right! Go away :p
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Post by: Night Hammer on January 03, 2005, 12:38:20 pm
so that means the GTVA accepts umpa loompas?
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Skippy on January 03, 2005, 12:42:00 pm
Meh, another nice ship, Raa :yes:

Meh, I can't model, just code :(
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 03, 2005, 12:44:14 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Nico
There's no way it's only 13 meters long, or that guy is less than a meter tall :p
Anyway, don't care, I'm going back to uni, so cya, take care :p


Oh... before you go. Tell me how to get an exact measurement in Max, and I'll change it. :p
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Post by: Deepblue on January 03, 2005, 01:00:27 pm
Isnt each block a meter^2?
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Post by: Taristin on January 03, 2005, 01:05:49 pm
Damned if I know. I want to be able to type in exact sizes, like you can in TrueSpace....
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Post by: Taristin on January 03, 2005, 01:09:21 pm
There... Happy, now?

EDIT: Yes, they are both the same size. One is a copy of the other, so they're the same.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Flaser on January 03, 2005, 06:21:06 pm
If they are 1.8 tall the ship is definitly bigger than 13 meters cause than the ship would be 7.2 people tall, however AFAIS it is roughly 10-12 people long at least....so something is off with the scale - however it is still a lot better than it initially was.

IMHO you could move the weapons officer up to the cockpit rear wall. You may also experiment with some harness/console around him that would cover the rest of the space - remember you're in the navy now...they take no such luxury as unused space.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: BlackDove on January 03, 2005, 07:35:28 pm
The unused space and 2d 3d chair don't look too hot, but it's a good idea.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 03, 2005, 08:51:48 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Flaser
If they are 1.8 tall the ship is definitly bigger than 13 meters cause than the ship would be 7.2 people tall, however AFAIS it is roughly 10-12 people long at least....so something is off with the scale - however it is still a lot better than it initially was.
 


Actually, I rescaled it a bit... It's larger than 13 meters, but I'm unsure of how big it is as of this moment, because modelview is being a bugger and not loading any files...
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 03, 2005, 08:52:39 pm
Quote
Originally posted by BD
The unused space and 2d 3d chair don't look too hot, but it's a good idea.


2nd 3d chain, or 2d 3d chair?  Either way, it'll look better through the barely visible orange cocpit.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Deepblue on January 04, 2005, 09:23:30 am
Is it me or do those pilots look like... Frenchmen?
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Deepblue on January 04, 2005, 09:23:41 am
Is it me or do those pilots look like... Frenchmen?
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Deepblue on January 04, 2005, 09:23:46 am
Is it me or do those pilots look like... Frenchmen?
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Deepblue on January 04, 2005, 09:23:59 am
Is it me or do those pilots look like... Frenchmen?
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Deepblue on January 04, 2005, 09:25:12 am
Shoot!~ buggy computer!
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Post by: Taristin on January 04, 2005, 09:52:35 am
Wow...
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Post by: pyro-manic on January 04, 2005, 10:54:16 am
Click the button once, Deepblue ;)

Looking good, Raa. You gonna release this, or keep it for a project?
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Skippy on January 04, 2005, 11:40:39 am
Quote
Originally posted by Deepblue
Is it me or do those pilots look like... Frenchmen?


Huh, why ?
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 04, 2005, 12:48:15 pm
Quote
Originally posted by pyro-manic
Click the button once, Deepblue ;)

Looking good, Raa. You gonna release this, or keep it for a project?


I'm leaning towards releasing it... But I'm having some trouble with it at the moment. PCS will load it fine, and save it, but modelview and aurora both hang... So I'm going to have to figure out how to do the pof editting in PCS, which is not my favourite program...
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Post by: Col. Fishguts on January 04, 2005, 01:24:14 pm
Whoa....quadruple post, that has to be a new record.

@Raa: scale looks a lot better now, maybe "bend" the back walls a bit around the pilots, so there's not so much empty space in there.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Lightspeed on January 04, 2005, 03:57:28 pm
Almost there Deepblue, craziest thing I ever saw was an 8x-post. :D
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: aldo_14 on January 04, 2005, 05:04:32 pm
Hmmm.... in all honesty, I prefer custom cockpit maps
(http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/casofwar/heel/chn_cp1.jpg)
(http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/casofwar/heel/chn_cp2.jpg)
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 04, 2005, 05:11:31 pm
Yeah, well... Maybe next time. :hammer:
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Nico on January 08, 2005, 03:30:35 am
Quote
Originally posted by aldo_14
Hmmm.... in all honesty, I prefer custom cockpit maps


Like I would bother making custom maps for something that will never take more than 100*100 pixels on screen :p

raa:
first, top bar -> customise -> units setup.
Pick the unit you want, then scale you want ( in the system unit setup, button on the window you've opened  ).
You can type sizes directly by right-clicking on the scale tool icon. By default it works with %, but you can change that somewhere I think.
To check the size of your mesh ( after having set up the units, of course... ):
-> right panel -> Utilities tab ( the hammer ), select the object ( or objects, you can select more than one, it'll take the farthest points of each mesh ) -> measures ( if it's not in the list, click "more...", it'll be there, take the oportunity to set up the utilities list, things like measures , xform, polycount or addons like texporter are cool, but things like max script or motion capture, I doubt you'll ever use that ).
hope that'll help.
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Post by: Taristin on January 08, 2005, 08:43:28 am
It should, thanks. :)
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: aldo_14 on January 08, 2005, 09:28:24 am
Quote
Originally posted by Nico


Like I would bother making custom maps for something that will never take more than 100*100 pixels on screen :p


Isn't your cockpit map 1024*1024, though.......?
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Cobra on January 08, 2005, 11:54:15 pm
Something keeps telling me that you stole that cockpit from SW: Rebel Alliance 2, aldo.

[EDIT] That's probably what you stol that fighter from, too. the V-38 Assault TIE Fighter.

Shame on you, both of ya. :D :lol:
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Nico on January 09, 2005, 05:29:06 am
Quote
Originally posted by aldo_14


Isn't your cockpit map 1024*1024, though.......?


Making it that size didn't give me more work, since it was just a copy/paste job, and who knows, someday, we might have a padlock view, and that way I'd have a template cockpit ready.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: aldo_14 on January 09, 2005, 08:33:06 am
Quote
Originally posted by Nico


Making it that size didn't give me more work, since it was just a copy/paste job, and who knows, someday, we might have a padlock view, and that way I'd have a template cockpit ready.


Yep, but it's a far bigger texture than what I use.

Quote
Originally posted by Cobra
Something keeps telling me that you stole that cockpit from SW: Rebel Alliance 2, aldo.

[EDIT] That's probably what you stol that fighter from, too. the V-38 Assault TIE Fighter.

Shame on you, both of ya. :D :lol:


eh?  I hope you're not implying stole as in copied - I've never even heard of that, let alone played it.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: aldi on January 09, 2005, 11:39:23 am
Raa I can  do the pof editting in PCS.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Nico on January 09, 2005, 12:26:19 pm
Quote
Originally posted by aldo_14


Yep, but it's a far bigger texture than what I use.


Nobody HAS to use it at this size. Actually, I recommend to rescale it at 256*256. I released the 3ds mesh so people do what they want with it, I didn't see the reason to release a crappier version of the original map. Still, I can't see the matter, I said I wouldn't bother making a custom map, I didn't say I couldn't bother making a high res map... Ah well.
As for the eze and perseus, I don't remember what size is used, I probably didn't even think about it.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 09, 2005, 12:28:28 pm
I'll keep that in mind, aldi.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 18, 2005, 06:25:26 pm
:bump:

Redoing these textures for the third time. Can't quite get a colour scheme down yet... so it looks monochromatic. But the general plating and stuff is final.
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Hippo on January 18, 2005, 06:32:02 pm
:yes2: :nod: :yes:
Title: I got sidetracked from the Ares
Post by: Taristin on January 18, 2005, 06:36:47 pm
Bottom shot.
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Post by: Cobra on January 18, 2005, 07:11:48 pm
:yes2: :D :yes:

kinda looks robotech-ish.
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Post by: Taristin on January 18, 2005, 10:07:29 pm
:bump:


:p
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Post by: Night Hammer on January 18, 2005, 10:11:23 pm
i think this should replace the Flipper?;7
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Post by: Ypoknons on January 18, 2005, 10:38:38 pm
Well Raa it depends on what you want your ship to be - do you want it to be a special "secret ops" fighter? Or if it was a line fighter (this would probably be more logical) the darkness is fine - look at the Myrmidon and it's basically grey with some stripes - so yeah add some stripes and markings.

You could also have alternating grey colors.
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Post by: Knight Templar on January 19, 2005, 12:23:26 am
AotD? :D
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Post by: NGTM-1R on January 19, 2005, 04:06:28 pm
That color scheme actually looks pretty good on it. It doesn't look GTVA, but it looks good.
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Post by: Cobra on January 19, 2005, 04:45:19 pm
make it an SOC ship.
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Post by: Jeryko on January 19, 2005, 04:45:27 pm
I think it looks awsome!  How does it look with Bob's Cockpit thing?  Or have you even thought about it?
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Post by: Cobra on January 19, 2005, 04:50:45 pm
:welcome: Jeryko.

umm, that's a hercules cockpit. it would never fit on that model. and besides, to make a new one, you would have to go through HELL to even make the cockpit model. then there's programming, etc.
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Post by: mitac on January 19, 2005, 04:54:04 pm
He registered in October...that's one month before you did.
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Post by: Lightspeed on January 19, 2005, 05:19:43 pm
Late as always, heh.

Well, while it's obvious you copied (EEEVIL :p ) I really like the progression here. You're starting to get it.

You'll have to look for a bit more variety though, add little random details, and (most important of all!) you need to texture in some recessed plating, else the whole thing will look too flat. You can also achieve good looks by making shadows in the texture.

Also, the individual texture plating shadows need to be stronger.
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Post by: mitac on January 19, 2005, 05:32:51 pm
Mhmm, I don't know if it's got a name, but GTF Gargoyle would somehow fit. ;)
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Post by: Getter Robo G on January 19, 2005, 05:58:58 pm
Nice one Raa!

It most certaily does NOT look "Robotechish"

It looks more like something you'd see from Freelancer I think, but that's not a bad thing.

I second that suggestion about looking too flat. If you raise some parts and recess others it would make it stand out more. (or am I just blind?). Got a winner there though Raa...

FYI Gargoyle sounds cool. I think Sthite2000 is working on a Gargoyle cannon lol...
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Post by: Taristin on January 19, 2005, 08:17:00 pm
LS: What did I copy? :wtf: And how is it obvious? There are some places where I couldn't decide how to map it, and looked to other ships for inspiration, but I don't think I copied them...

I do have some recessed areas, but they lack some... stuff. There's no grime and there's no details yet... I'll probably need decals, machinery, pot marks... etc.

Edit:  For the name, I have it temporarily dubbed as the GTF Losna. It's Etruscan...

Edit2:  I'm interested to see how this'll look with the cocpit code, since there's 2 seats inside...
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Post by: Lightspeed on January 20, 2005, 06:47:46 am
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Originally posted by Raa
LS: What did I copy? :wtf: And how is it obvious? There are some places where I couldn't decide how to map it, and looked to other ships for inspiration, but I don't think I copied them...

I do have some recessed areas, but they lack some... stuff. There's no grime and there's no details yet... I'll probably need decals, machinery, pot marks... etc.
 


They're not deep enough. Also, the top part could be fixed a bit more according to its shape.

As for what you copied... look at the fins, the colour scheme, and err.. the TVWP private forums. You didn't copy as such (i.e. paste actual texture) ;)

But yes, good work so far. Better than most people usually get :nod:
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Post by: aldo_14 on January 20, 2005, 07:08:28 am
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Originally posted by Cobra
:welcome: Jeryko.

umm, that's a hercules cockpit. it would never fit on that model. and besides, to make a new one, you would have to go through HELL to even make the cockpit model. then there's programming, etc.


No, it wouldn't be 'hell'.  Modelling cockpits is easy - or at least as easy as you find modelling.

and you don't need to program anything to get a visible cockpit ingame.  Programming relates to fixing the clipping of the ship model when in show_ship mode.
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Post by: Nico on January 20, 2005, 07:12:56 am
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
Also, the individual texture plating shadows need to be stronger.


No it doesn't. Ships aren't made from concrete plates, but thin, tigh and precise plating, I believe :p
As for the ships, looks like, hmm, how would I call that? You know, like the F16, a good, average whole purpose plane, not outstanding in any regard but a good choice for export, so, voila, an export fighter. So it would be cool being flashy, I s'pose. Or maybe not.
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Post by: aldo_14 on January 20, 2005, 07:16:03 am
If you make plates too recessed (lines, shading either too dark or white), the map often ends up looking cartoonish.
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Post by: Nico on January 20, 2005, 07:36:20 am
That too. But in fact, it's easy to show: get someone to get some screenshots from recent flight sims, hull plates aren't recessed AT ALL on the maps. They're just barelly visible lines, usually.
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Post by: aldo_14 on January 20, 2005, 07:51:57 am
Hell, just grab a piccy of a naval destroyers hull or a fighter jet;
http://www.aoqz76.dsl.pipex.com/Web%20Page%20Components/Wallpaper/Planes/F16%20Taxi.jpg
for example (not the best pic, I imagine).

Truth be told, I massively overdetail my hull-plating still, but at least now I'm learning to keep it subtle.
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Post by: Taristin on January 20, 2005, 09:33:06 am
I don't know what Lighty's on about. There's no all grey ship in TVWP. Some areas are recessed, but you have to look for them. And similarity would be the way the plating ends abruptly in the center of the wings, and *maybe* the plate on the bottom of the wings. I've yet to cut copy and paste a texture and have it work for me (aside from the crimion)
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Post by: Woolie Wool on January 20, 2005, 03:25:28 pm
Beautiful.
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Post by: Lightspeed on January 20, 2005, 03:29:16 pm
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Originally posted by Nico


No it doesn't. Ships aren't made from concrete plates, but thin, tigh and precise plating, I believe :p
As for the ships, looks like, hmm, how would I call that? You know, like the F16, a good, average whole purpose plane, not outstanding in any regard but a good choice for export, so, voila, an export fighter. So it would be cool being flashy, I s'pose. Or maybe not.


Methinks you misunderstood what I wanted to say.
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Post by: Nico on January 20, 2005, 03:57:41 pm
Maybe, what I understood is that you wanted him to make the plates more recessed. If not, please correct me.
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Post by: Lightspeed on January 21, 2005, 04:32:07 pm
With "individual texture plating shadows" I actually meant the... err... brightness differences in a plate. (Now doesn't that sound odd :wtf: ). The plates look a bit flat for Freespacy textures, because they look too much like filled with one colour (exaggerating here).

Bah, look at the :v: models to see what I mean. :rolleyes: :)
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Post by: Nico on January 22, 2005, 05:52:53 am
I've understood. Gradients because of curveness. I don't think that's really important too. FS2 has lighting that should simulate that more or less well. Nah, the real thing, now ( something I'm gonna try from now on, even if not for FS2 ), is to make the material actually look like metal, or painted metal.
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Post by: Gank on January 22, 2005, 10:45:05 am
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Originally posted by Nico
That too. But in fact, it's easy to show: get someone to get some screenshots from recent flight sims, hull plates aren't recessed AT ALL on the maps. They're just barelly visible lines, usually.


Eh, modern airplanes arent really a good guide to use as theyre made of stressd aluminium which can be pierced with a good pointy stick. A fighter which is built both to withstand vaccuum and taking hits from high energy weapons could concievably have much heavier plating. IMO you could have it either way.

Oh aye and metal texs are easy, this one took me 5 secs to do back when you were doing the ezekiel, iirc done it to show the differences between using lines for hullplating and using bevels.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Casuir/line.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/Casuir/bevel.jpg)
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Post by: Nico on January 22, 2005, 11:37:00 am
I don't think you can pierce the plates of an A10 or a B52 with a pointy stick, nor the ones of a battlecruisng, an abrams or a AH64, but find any superobvious platelines on those...
And yeah, it's very easy to make a metal map... on a small square. Doing so on a whole ship, that's another matter. Not that I really find it complicated either, mind you :p
Your exemple isn't very impressive, that said. Just throwing a metal plate scan as a layer with some filter and no additional work doesn't really cut it, for me.
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Post by: Gank on January 22, 2005, 11:52:37 am
A b52 you could, its not armoured in anyway, the apaches not very heavily armoured and I think you should go look at a battlecruiser or an Abrams :rolleyes: Like I said, imo you could do it either way, nice clean lines or heavier plating, should be a design decision as opposed to a technical one if you get what I mean.

It wasnt meant to be impressive you twat, like I said I made it in 5 seconds. In fact it was meant to be the opposite :rolleyes: Does show how much nicer bevels look than simple lines though, spec when you resize them down to 50%
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Post by: Nico on January 22, 2005, 12:08:20 pm
2 :rolleyes: and a "you twat". Like I'm gonna bother replying to that. Learn some respect and come back.
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Post by: Gank on January 22, 2005, 12:26:41 pm
Show some respect and you'll get some, getting up on your high horse because somebody dares to disagree with you and making stupid statements isnt going to earn you any.
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Post by: Nico on January 22, 2005, 12:42:33 pm
I don't see any lack of respect in my post, but I see more and more agressiveness in those forums. Be all jumpy if you want, if I don't reply to you, it's not because I don't agree with you ( maybe if you've seen any of my models, you've noticed I use bevels, mmh? ), it's because I don't want to take any **** from anybody anymore. If you consider that as arrogance, well, be my guest.

But just for the sake of the argument:
Abrams:
http://sa.nextwish.org/Unsorted/War%20Photos/abrams.jpg
slick ( save for the articulated parts, obviously

Aegis ( coz I can't find a decent pic of a cruiser:
http://www.clw.org/GRAPHICS/CAT/Arleigh.jpg
slick

a10:
http://wallpaper.net.au/wallpaper/aviation/A10%20-%201024x768.jpg
slick

Voila, my stupid statements have been proven.
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Post by: Fineus on January 22, 2005, 01:07:34 pm
Stand down kids, this is unnecessary.
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Post by: Gank on January 22, 2005, 01:38:20 pm
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Originally posted by Nico
I don't see any lack of respect in my post, but I see more and more agressiveness in those forums. Be all jumpy if you want, if I don't reply to you, it's not because I don't agree with you ( maybe if you've seen any of my models, you've noticed I use bevels, mmh? ), it's because I don't want to take any **** from anybody anymore. If you consider that as arrogance, well, be my guest.

Fair enough, just dont get on your high horse if it comes back your way. And if I seem jumpy, its because i'm off the smokes and beer for the last few weeks, and I am jumpy.

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Abrams:

If you'll look at the side skirts the hullplating is very noticeable, these arent articulated btw, they're designed that way to be easily replaced. The turret isnt actually the armour, its a cast piece wich contains compartments where the actual armour packs are located.

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Aegis

Again, sheets of metal which cover the actual armour plating.

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a10:

Stressed aluminium covering actual armour plates. Once more I'll say it, its a design thing rather than technical. Armour by itself is big and bulky, how you conceal it may not be. The aegis and a10 are designed that way for aerodynamical and whatever its water equivelent is reasons, no such requirement in space. Theres no good reason to stop people from making their armour plates as big and bulky as they like. The ship might look like a monstrosity, but thats up to them, saying they shouldnt be because airplanes or ships arent isnt correct.

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Voila, my stupid statements have been proven.

Your stupid statement was actually this:
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Your exemple isn't very impressive, that said. Just throwing a metal plate scan as a layer with some filter and no additional work doesn't really cut it, for me.

Which followed my statement of
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Oh aye and metal texs are easy, this one took me 5 secs to do

Pointing out that something is of less than finished quality when somebody has stated that it was thrown together in 5 secs is slightly stupid imo, as they're just going to tell you to read their damn post again. Maybe the you twat was a bit much but the rolleyes was certainly deserved.

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maybe if you've seen any of my models, you've noticed I use bevels, mmh?

Maybe if you look back, you'll see I never actually posted the pics, mmh? They werent actually intended for you afaik, though I'd have to take a look at the ezekiel to be sure, swoohs down atm.
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Post by: Nico on January 22, 2005, 01:44:50 pm
pfffffff...
Whatever, I'm not in the mood and I don't want to make papa Thundy break a nerve.
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Post by: Gank on January 22, 2005, 01:50:15 pm
right.
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Post by: Fineus on January 22, 2005, 03:32:43 pm
Won't happen, I'll just lock the thread and you two can take your bickering to PM. Despite how amusing it is to see you both go at each other :)
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Post by: Taristin on January 22, 2005, 03:37:28 pm
Gaddammit! Just lock this thread already, and stop making idle threats!

Either post on my other thread, or let this one die! I'm getting tired of my threads being hijacked and derailed! :hopping:
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Post by: Fineus on January 22, 2005, 03:40:33 pm
Fine by me, let me know if you want anything else locked Raa.