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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: TrashMan on January 06, 2005, 03:49:32 pm
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I'm baaack!
Has it been 3 days allready? anyway, back to work...I'll be uploading more ships and putting htem for download shortly. The only thing that's slowing the progress are the NAEMPLATES!
I have hte ships ready and all, but I wish to add nameplates before I zip and upload them...
Meh..
(http://img7.exs.cx/img7/2159/Abthys.jpg)
The Abthys is 99% done. Has 4 LOD's, has turrets, has debris. All it needs is paths. I'm gonna do those and upload this baby a little later.
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:ick: :ick:
Needs some texture work. Well, actually a lot of work!
:p
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Yeah, it is somewhat overtiled. Try breaking up those vertical faces.
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Gallileo, Civilian Liners and the Pirate Carriers (don't downlaod them yet.. I think the whole file didn't come trough) added for download.
Civilian Station is beeing re-done and will be added shortly.
As for hte Abthys.. I maby end up giving it more detail, but only afte I finish testing the fighterbays paths and the stations weapons.
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Civvy liners work fine. Good stuff :yes:
Modelview gives me a "too many bounding boxes" error for the Galileo... :confused:
Pirate carriers archive is corrupt/parts missing. Needs re-uploading I think.
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Re-uploaded the pirate carriers.
Gallileo works fine by me.
More stuff coming soon...
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I hate to be rude, or blunt, but that's a pitiful, uninspired excuse for a Vasudan installation. Maybe I'm overprotective of my Vasudans, but...
well...
What on Earth makes you think they'd build something like that? Because it's somewhat reminiscent of a Starfish? Or because when a design doesn't work for Terrans, people'll just slap on Vasudan textures, and say "There! Vasudan!"
I really dislike it. It's on my list with that Cairo from Bob, and the weird flower-type-thing that Aldo made. It just looks wrong, and, perhaps I'm taking this too far, but it's insulting that so many people say "Hey! Look! It's Vasudan!" When it's clearly a failed mesh.
Ok. Rant Over. Trashman, I'm sorry. You're the one who get's to bear the brunt of my frustration on this one, but the next person who makes an ugly thing and tries to pass it off as Vasudan will get the same...
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the design is fine, but it needs to be vasudanized more. and detailed. i like the design of a dual-starfish thingey though.
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The design is Not fine. It's an extension of the Alastor design! It's NOT Vasudan!
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It looks like it could be the Imperial Super Laser from Star Trek vs. Star Wars (Star Trek Armada 1 mod).. anyone ever play that? I think it looks cool, but Raa is right in that it doesn't look very Vasudan. I still think the concept is cool, it's like a city in space or something.. meh... it's late, I'm done. :)
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I agree with Raa. It looks like he made one section and hit Radial Array.
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The design is clearly not Vasudan, yes. I'm keeping my reply short because I don't want to sound offending, but I agree with most of what Raa said.
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I know people like you who say it doesn't look vasudan.
Then again, I know people who say it looks vasudan.
But guess what - I don't care. It looks vasudan to me. Period.
Given it's size I know it could use some more detail, and I am working on a higher-poly version of it.
This one will have to do for now, and I added it to the download list.
CURRENTLY AVAILABLE:
- GTF Phoenix (added insignia & debris, re-did lower LODs a bit)
- GVF Shrike (100%)
- Civy Station (100% done)
- Civy Liners (2 liners- all done)
- Columbus Colony Ship(I just noticed it doesn't have fighterpaths)
- Pirate Carriers (2 ships - fully done)
- Abthys Starbase (has it all - except for large docks)
- Gallileo Science Vessel
- Stock Orion and Typhoon (with more turrets)
-Small Texture pack
More on the way....
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It looks very blocky and plain IMHO.... for an installation, I'd expect more of a sense of scale, too.
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I like the basic design very much.
Just fix the blockyness and you've got an awesome model. :yes:
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@Aldo - the fighter is 5500 meters from the centre of the station. The thing is 5800 meters long, 5800 meters wide...
@DaBrain - working on it.. that version will be released later.
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Originally posted by TrashMan
@Aldo - the fighter is 5500 meters from the centre of the station. The thing is 5800 meters long, 5800 meters wide...
That's my point exactly. It doesn't look impressive or imposing in any way atall. I think probably because it's too symettric, there is no sense of perspective and hence scale.
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Originally posted by TrashMan
I know people like you who say it doesn't look vasudan.
Then again, I know people who say it looks vasudan.
But guess what - I don't care. It looks vasudan to me. Period.
Well... you're wrong. :p
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Originally posted by aldo_14
That's my point exactly. It doesn't look impressive or imposing in any way atall. I think probably because it's too symettric, there is no sense of perspective and hence scale.
there is no sense of scale in symetric stations/ships? where the hell do you pul this pearls of wisdom fomr?:LOL:
Anyway, you might wanna try and download and test it first, and not judge from 1 screenshot.
by Raa
Well... you're wrong.
And what are you gonna do about it?;7 :drevil:
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I'm sending a terrorist squad to the Avalon Republic right this moment. :p
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Originally posted by TrashMan
there is no sense of scale in symetric stations/ships? where the hell do you pul this pearls of wisdom fomr?:LOL:
I dunno, maybe my eyesight. This thing...doesn't look imposing or impressive in any way. How imposing does a perfect cube or a perfect sphere look? That's more or less what you have here. If you find me a ship which looks big and is x/z symmetrical, I'll be muchly surprised.
Look, if you want me to be perfectly blunt and honest......
It's a dull, derivative design with no outstanding features. The colour scheme is messy (pink, brown, black/.blue, gray and blak-yellow in the same model). There are also clearly terran textures on the inner cylinder.
There is clear faceting, which doesn't help the overall blandness of the thing. I can't find a single piece of aritstic or stylistic merit in it; it looks like you've taken an incredibly simple shape, copied it 5 times, and then made sure to use as many different textures as possible to avoid having to makes sure the sidesof each texture line up correctly.
It even looks horribly low poly.. like maybe 400 or so?
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Originally posted by TrashMan
CURRENTLY AVAILABLE:
- GTF Phoenix (added insignia & debris, re-did lower LODs a bit)
- GVF Shrike (100%)
You will be surprised. Indeed. :drevil: :thepimp:
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I like them. As for looking Vasudan or not, let us take an example from ships that came with FS2 and FS1. Say you were given a Hecate mod for FS1 when only FS1 was released, such a radical departure from the Orion design would have most likely met with criticism the likes of which have seen in this thread. The solution is simple, just call it a new concept in Vasudan installation design.:nod:
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No. The solution is simple, stop trying to salvage failed ideas and call them Vasudan. :doubt:
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@Aldo - the station is far more complex than it seems. It took me a long time to do it, and it is a "difficult" design (don't know how to put this..maby unrewarding or ungratefull would be the right word.)
The hull itself has 1426 polys, and that's the lowest I could make it. The design is just like that.
I am working on a more detailed model, but it wil ltake time.
And try testing the model itself insted of just looking at one bad pic.
UPDATED DOWNLOAD:
- Retribution Assault Figate added
- Praetorian gunboat added
Both models have everything (alltough I still haven't put nameplates on the Retribution)
Oh..I am currently working on a Terran heavy bomber that has a beam cannon. Here's the concept pic:
(http://img114.exs.cx/img114/4852/Lightbringer.jpg)
EDIT: Raa, weather you like it or not, it IS vasudan.
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Originally posted by TrashMan
@Aldo - the station is far more complex than it seems. It took me a long time to do it, and it is a "difficult" design (don't know how to put this..maby unrewarding or ungratefull would be the right word.)
The hull itself has 1426 polys, and that's the lowest I could make it. The design is just like that.
I am working on a more detailed model, but it wil ltake time.
And try testing the model itself insted of just looking at one bad pic.
Post it, then.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Post it, then.
CURRENTLY AVAILABLE:
- GTF Phoenix (added insignia & debris, re-did lower LODs a bit)
- GVF Shrike (100%)
- Civy Station (100% done)
- Civy Liners (2 liners- all done)
- Columbus Colony Ship(I just noticed it doesn't have fighterpaths)
- Pirate Carriers (2 ships - fully done)
- Abthys Starbase (has it all - except for large docks)
- Gallileo Science Vessel
- Stock Orion and Typhoon (with more turrets)
- Retribution Assault Frigate
- Praetorian gunboat
-Small Texture pack
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Having looked at it... I stick exactly to what i posted before. It's the same piece of geometry copied 8 times and then mirrored top-bottom. You';ve even left the seam line in on the inner cylinder.
And you're using a Terran dock texture which contrasts horrendously with the blue dock tunnel. Which itself contrasts with the khaki outside...
ah, the hell with it. I think it's bland/dull as hell, and it looks as vasudan as a Cerberus snetry gun, but if you want to live with it, fire away.
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Terran Dock texture? I'm not using a terran dock texture....
You Sir, need to have your eyes examined. Every single texture I used on that station is vasudan. Teh design is vasudan...
you don't have to like it...
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Originally posted by TrashMan
Terran Dock texture? I'm not using a terran dock texture....
You Sir, need to have your eyes examined. Every single texture I used on that station is vasudan. Teh design is vasudan...
you don't have to like it...
Er...no.
WACTile5 is the standard terran 'windows' map used on AWACS and Deimos. DocTile3A is the Ganymede (in particular) docking texture. Beam1 is a Terran texture used for the Mjolnir.
The fact you've got a gigantic wodge of Terran texture right in the middle, combined with the semi-schizophrenic use of both blue, white and yellow lights (green if you count the top turrets), does not help the cohesiveness of the design.
And the design is not vasudan in any way I can see. Maybe if you chopped off the left or right half of it and added some Vasudan looking stuff, it might help. To me it doesn't have any of the stylistic 'flow' of Vasudan stuff. Vasudan designs - especially looking at the concept art - are curved and almost ornate in appearance. The 2 destroyers have an almost-peach shaped curve for the main body, but they also have a lot of additional areas where the model bulges in an out. They have soft outcroppings of 'arms' (i.e. Aten) or 'petals' (i.e Sobek). And soforth.
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YAWN.....
WACTile 5 is Vasudan-loking texture, as are the other two. there's nothing teran about them.
And the design is vasudan. If you don't like it, don't use the station, but it WAS vasudan when I made it, it IS vasudan and it WILL BE vasudan in the future (unless you edit it, re-convert it, and somehow smuggle it under my downloads to replace this one)
(http://img33.exs.cx/img33/9649/Working.jpg)
Got the nameplates working!
So now I added the Orion MK2 and Retribution for download!
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Personnaly I like the Vasudan Starbase model, one question though Trashman are all your models compatible with FSO 3.6.5?
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Yep...
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Great stuff, keep up the good work.:yes:
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ugh, what a horrible subspace texture...
that lights texture is WAY too terran, trashman. it could be vasudan methinks. but the texturing is off. work on it some more. smooth it out and add vasudan-ey plates to it maybe.
as for the rest of you, he has a point. dont use it if you dont like it. and dont flame it... this is going to get into a flamewar soon methinks.
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It's a shame really - the basic concept of the Vasudan Starbase could be adapted to be quite nifty. At the moment though...