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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rictor on January 07, 2005, 10:39:21 pm
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elections in Palestine and Iraq.
lets start a betting pool. I say Abbas takes in the Palestine, and some American stooge (not necessarily Allawi, but whoever it is you can bet they'll be connected to Chalabi) gets Iraq. We'll see.
In the territories, Israel is pretty much doing every single thing it possibly can to get Abbas elected. He's the only candidate being allowed to campaign in East Jerusalem, others only get arrested. (//"http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4153465.stm"). He's trying to play both sides, get the Palestinian people to trust him despite everything, by saying he would not act against Hamas & Co., while getting Israel to support him by saying he opposes the armed intifada. No, it doesn't have to make sense, its politics.
Iraq is much more unpredictable, at least the way I see it. AFAIK, both al Sadr and Sistani are planning to run, as well as whoever the US grooms to take over the "Iraqi government".
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how much would you like to bet that the Iraqi election is going to be an "it's your problem now suckers, ha-ha!" manuver and we move a few of our forces a little to the east, and forces elsewere a little west?
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Yeah, bunker them down out of harm's way. But they'll remain in Iraq, not much doubt about that. After all, that way the qhole point of the excerise.
I'm also looking forward to the new "Iraqi goverment" "asking" the US
troops to stay, to "provide security against terrorists". Step 1: create a threat. Step 2: occupy nation in order to protect them from the threat, which isn't really a threat to anyone other than you, the occupier.
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From my parent's newsletter:
[q]After Arafat – Now What?
Question: Would the Allies after WW II have accepted any Nazi leader as the new German president? Never. In fact the Allies arrested all leading Nazis and made the Nazi party illegal. So why is the world turning a blind eye to Arafat’s followers who now head up the PA?
Caroline Glick said the fight between Arafat’s wife and the “new” PA {Palestinian Authority} leaders revealed the true nature of Arafat’s regime. Fighting over his hidden money, which the leaders said “belongs to the Palestinian people,” makes it clear “that the house Yasser built, in addition to being the world’s richest terrorist organization, is a criminal syndicate. This is important because, while Arafat and the PLO had been lauded by Europe and the international Left for decades as revolutionaries, at the end of the day what they were was, and still is, a den of thieves…” Since the “new” leadership “were integral parts of Arafat’s regime,” though Arafat is dead, “his regime will remain.”
“Experts” and politicians say Israel must “strengthen ‘reformist’ elements in the PA. Fat chance of that working. There are no ‘reformist’ elements…” (“Plus a change?” Glick, JP Op-ed, 12 Nov 2004)
Former Ambassador Yoram Ettinger, writing in the Washington Times, agrees. “A prerequisite for the emergence of a moderate Palestinian regime is the elimination of the rogue regime…which has ruthlessly dominated the Palestinian scene since 1964…{and} has been the role model of international terrorism, inter-Arab treachery, serial non-compliance with agreements, hate-education, corruption and suppression of Palestinian human rights.”
Arafat was the head, but Palestinian terrorism is “a regime problem…Abu Mazen {PA Pres. candidate M. Abbas} has been the de facto #2 in the PLO since 1989, while he and Abu Ala {PM A. Queri} have been Arafat’s top confidants at the helm of the Fatah, PLO and PA regimes since the late 1950s.”
Ettinger noted that these two were always there with Arafat, facilitating all the past terror and hatred. “Moderate” Abu Mazen “handled financial aspects of the {1972} Munich Olympic Games massacre of 11 Israeli athletes. He steered pre-‘89 PLO ties with ruthless East European regimes and the Soviet Union, wrote a thesis on Holocaust Denial at Moscow Univ., co-managed PLO hijacking of Western planes during the 1970s and the murder of US ambassadors in 1972.”
These men, in whom the West puts so much hope, “led, under Arafat, the PA propaganda machine,” which praised Saddam Hussein’s and Bin Laden’s anti-US operations, including 9/11. They introduced “anti-US and anti-Jewish hate-education to PA schools, mosques and media, which has constituted the engine of homicide bombing.
“Legitimizing {these} leaders…in defiance of their horrific track records, constitutes a victory of wishful thinking over moral clarity …” (“Ending the Arafat era,” Y. Ettinger, Washington Times Op-Ed, 30 Nov 2004) [/q]
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The great game isn't about who's nice or right. It's about who can sit down and negotiate.
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Have to laugh at israelis complaining about palestinian leaders who condone terrorism then going out and voting for a man who was found responsible for the massacre of over a thousand women and children by his own government.