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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: StarGunner on August 31, 2001, 10:22:00 am
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Tell me what you think, and its for my Four Towers campian. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
The date is one year sense we lost Cpella system to the Shivans as we were on the bracing point, a large spaceship came out of Subspace. There’s was, a group of seekers looking for a place to call home.
The ship they were in was massive 23.10 km long, then-10 more jumped out of Subspace, and then 5 more they told us that they come in peace. They told us that on each ship 20,00000 of there people. Then they said that their planet was lost to the Great Destroyers, they said that they came in ships that were bigger than anything, that they’d seen before.
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Originally posted by darkage:
are there any girls on it? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
(http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)HAHAHA! yep.
[This message has been edited by StarGunner (edited 08-31-2001).]
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Will you make a render of what they look like?
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Originally posted by Unidan:
Will you make a render of what they look like?
they have 5 legs and 5 arms, they are female shivans (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by venom2506:
they have 5 legs and 5 arms, they are female shivans (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Nope I havent made one yet I think.
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Sounds good. Can't wait to see some progress on it (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Setekh:
Sounds good. Can't wait to see some progress on it (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
It will be a skech not a render, becouse I cant make one but if some one could do that then yes, and I have the them now one male and one feemale now all I need is to scan them. Then you will a know what they look like, I hope you will like them.
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Originally posted by StarGunner:
...Then they said that their planet was lost to the Great Destroyers, they said that they came in ships that were bigger than anything, that they’d seen before.
NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Not another "My ship is bigger than yours' plotline...
Seriously tho, it sounds like a decent plotline (sort of like Alien Nation), but (my personal preference) I would reccomend nixxing the Shivan Super-duper-looper dreadnaught idea (likely you'll have your hands full just modelling your refugee's fleet).
Maybe you could have the player flying as part of the refugee fleet, end the campaign when they reach GTVA space, and start another campaign that begins with the arrival of the refugees...
Just a thought
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Originally posted by jonskowitz:
NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Not another "My ship is bigger than yours' plotline...
Seriously tho, it sounds like a decent plotline (sort of like Alien Nation), but (my personal preference) I would reccomend nixxing the Shivan Super-duper-looper dreadnaught idea (likely you'll have your hands full just modelling your refugee's fleet).
Maybe you could have the player flying as part of the refugee fleet, end the campaign when they reach GTVA space, and start another campaign that begins with the arrival of the refugees...
Just a thought
Good thinking I like that. But the ships them selfs are not four battle, they are more like a colliny ship, they have only light wepions. They do have a battle ship that is the sise of a sathna but that is all the bigger they can get with a warship.
[This message has been edited by StarGunner (edited 09-03-2001).]
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I now have some of the them dune now I will post them soon. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Good thinking I like that. But the ships them selfs are not for battle, they are more like a colony ship, they have only light weapons.
That's kinda what I thought. Sort of like the 'Noah' project from 'STARFLIGHT' (an OLD game from the late 80s early 90s I think). It'll make losing one even more painful if you do it right (make the player FEEL that it's his friends and family on board those things). Do this not by telling him in a briefing "remember, it's our family out there" (it's campy, it doesn't work, and it'll get you ridiculed) but introduce various characters throughout various cutscenes and in mission. Make it seem that they interact with the player somehow. Make them memorable, make them identifiable, make them lovable (not in a soap-opera sense either), and above all, MAKE THEM DIE! When the ship they're on buys it, they go away, they're not seen anymore, they'll scream as their ship disintagrates, the player gets those telegrams that thier [insert relation here] has passed on, etc. If you do it right you'll not only upset the protagonist (the player) you'll also piss him off. You'll make him WANT to see every Shivan in the universe hunted down and shot right in between their compund eyes, he'll want to do it himself. If you can make the player feel loss from the destruction of these refugee ships he'll see them less as victory conditions and more as things that MUST be protected (fiddling with the emotions isn't just for novels and those terrible movies your girlfriend drags you to, we can do it too, and possibly to much greater effect since the player has more input into the outcome). It won't be easy to properly instill this into your campaign (too much, not enough, or the wrong approach and you come off sounding like a bad soap-opera), but the overall effect is well worth it.
They do have a battle ship that is the size of a sathna but that is all the bigger they can get with a warship.
ONLY as big as a Shathanas?!? I'm assuming they only have one left (the one our player is on?)...
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Originally posted by jonskowitz:
ONLY as big as a Shathanas?!? I'm assuming they only have one left (the one our player is on?)...
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They will have 6-8 of them and they will have the power to take out 2 Shathanas Class ships. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by StarGunner:
They will have 6-8 of them and they will have the power to take out 2 Shathanas Class ships. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Sathanas. And only two? How weak.
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Originally posted by Eishtmo:
Sathanas. And only two? How weak.
Whach it ser, I am not like The pepple at Inferno (no afance), who think sise is all that matters, and that the shivans are the only ones whom can bild them that big. I am not Insane.
[This message has been edited by StarGunner (edited 09-07-2001).]
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Originally posted by StarGunner:
Whach it ser, I am not like The pepple at Inferno (no afance), who think sise is all that matters, and that the shivans are the only ones whom can bild them that big. I am not Insane.
[This message has been edited by StarGunner (edited 09-07-2001).]
no offense? are you kindding? you don't even talk what you're talking about, so shut up.
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Originally posted by venom2506:
no offense? are you kindding? you don't even talk what you're talking about, so shut up.
Calmdown dude, I ment no offense. I was just telling him that I don't like to go and take on some thing that can kill me and my ships in notime flat ok.
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Originally posted by StarGunner:
Calmdown dude, I ment no offense.
If you don't mean offence, then choose your words more carefully.
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Originally posted by Setekh:
If you don't mean offence, then choose your words more carefully.
Ok, now that this is over lets move on shal we?
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Originally posted by StarGunner:
Whatch it sir, I am not like The peopple at Inferno (no ofens), who think size is all that matters, and that the shivans are the only ones who can build them that big. I am not Insane.
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Sorry to say this but i think it's a insult at me Woomeister and everyone els who works on the project,And don't you come and tell us that we say size does matter,you don't even know what the whole background of the stor is.And we have more small ships then big or HUGE ones.And indeed you are not like the Inferno staff otherwise we would have seen some result. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/redface.gif) and read what we have to say on the Inferno board,and on the site then you'll be informed better so you cant post crap about it anymore.
And you and me know that you have said rather insulting things about the work we did for the campaign.untill you know more please shut up about inferno unless you have something usefull and none insulting to say about it.
Originally posted by StarGunner:
Calmdown dude, I ment no offense. I was just telling him that I don't like to go and take on some thing that can kill me and my ships in notime flat ok.
And you wont get killed in a sec,like we dump the whole mission only whit huge ships (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif) i played a few missions they where fun not to easy and not to hard.
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[This message has been edited by darkage (edited 09-09-2001).]
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Stargunner, you still haven't replied to jonskowitz, and its a good question! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
If they have more firepower than the shivans (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif) , and they had the tecnology to build colony ships of THAT size (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif) ... why the hell do they needed help? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/confused.gif)
The gtva could survive with ships way more week than the sathanas! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif)
(Just a note: Even an hecate could destroy a sathanas... With decent fighter cover, striking from behind... 2 hecates could kill lots of sathanas...)
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Originally posted by Neon:
Stargunner, you still haven't replied to jonskowitz, and its a good question! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
If they have more firepower than the shivans (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif) , and they had the tecnology to build colony ships of THAT size (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif) ... why the hell do they needed help? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/confused.gif)
The gtva could survive with ships way more week than the sathanas! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif)
(Just a note: Even an hecate could destroy a sathanas... With decent fighter cover, striking from behind... 2 hecates could kill lots of sathanas...)
They just don't have the man power or the strength to fight of the Shivans all by them selves, and the sathanas fleet at Coplla was only the ferst wave in my story.
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Darkage, consider yourself vindicated. Now let's drop it, okay? Be mature this time, and rest assured that you are recognised for it. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Neon:
(Just a note: Even an hecate could destroy a sathanas... With decent fighter cover, striking from behind... 2 hecates could kill lots of sathanas...)
and assuming that shivans are dumb, let a sathanas flying dead ahead on his own and w/o any fighter cover (ok, volition did that. Sometimes, I wonder if volition people think about what they're doing... oh, yes, maybe we share our ubber smart Command...)
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Originally posted by venom2506:
and assuming that shivans are dumb, let a sathanas flying dead ahead on his own and w/o any fighter cover (ok, volition did that. Sometimes, I wonder if volition people think about what they're doing... oh, yes, maybe we share our ubber smart Command...)
In my campian we will fight them all off, and then the mane fleet of shivans will come in with the Hive mothership of my shivan fleet.
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Hive Mothership?
That is based on a theory that said that the shivans spent their whole evolutionary time in a zero-gravity enviroment, isn't it?
(What kind of ship is able to kill a ship of THAT size?) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/confused.gif)
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Let's stop to put this in perspective...
It took the GTVA 20 years to build just one Colossus, and even it wasn't a match for even a single Shathanas.
Your argueing that your refugee fleet consists of between 6-8 battlewagons, each one is capable of taking on two or even three Shathanas' going toe-to-toe without support (for even more perspective, During the entire Great war the GTA and the PVA had about that many destroyers between both of them in the area of the conflict). Since we're assuming they lost the war against the Shivans, this means that this is the smallest remament of thier fleet (maybe one third or even less). This means that the Shivans (who's tech base hasn't significantly changed at least since the war against the Ancients) would have at to attack with almost 100 Shathanas' to win (how many were seen in the nebula, about a dozen? maybe). And this doesn't even include any other defenses that they may have had.
Does this seem reasonable to you?
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Originally posted by Neon:
Hive Mothership?
That is based on a theory that said that the shivans spent their whole evolutionary time in a zero-gravity enviroment, isn't it?
(What kind of ship is able to kill a ship of THAT size?) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/confused.gif)
No ship can you will have to play it smart, and as for the Battle ships they cant billd more to fight the shivans until they fined a place that is safe, and the shivan fleet will not get there until about the middl of the campian.
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funny how you criticize inferno, but after all your new species had huge ships, shivan have huge (hive??? lol I won't say nothing... )ships...
Jonskowitz, if my memory serves me well, there was about 80 sathanas involved during the capella incident. That fleet is about instopable by any conventional meaning, if you ask me. And where the hell were the hundreds of destroyers and the thousands of cruiser you could have supposed to be used as cover for the juggernaughts (well I suppose they were kept away from the nova, but anyway I suppose such a fleet should exist, and leave only during the final stages of the shivan operation).
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Originally posted by Setekh:
Darkage, consider yourself vindicated. Now let's drop it, okay? Be mature this time, and rest assured that you are recognised for it. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
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[This message has been edited by darkage (edited 09-12-2001).]
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Originally posted by venom2506:
funny how you criticize inferno, but after all your new species had huge ships, shivan have huge (hive??? lol I won't say nothing... )ships...
Jonskowitz, if my memory serves me well, there was about 80 sathanas involved during the capella incident. That fleet is about instopable by any conventional meaning, if you ask me. And where the hell were the hundreds of destroyers and the thousands of cruiser you could have supposed to be used as cover for the juggernaughts (well I suppose they were kept away from the nova, but anyway I suppose such a fleet should exist, and leave only during the final stages of the shivan operation).
It will be only 16 km that is not like the 23.7 km of the Gigas in inferno, and the colony ships are not ment for combat at all, think of them as a base that can bild and lonch the battleships only when it is not moving. As for the 16 colny ships they are all that is left of there intyr race.
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I don't get this anymore this all weird you can't draw a straight line in the story OR the ships.
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Originally posted by darkage:
I don't get this anymore this all weird you can't draw a straight line in the story OR the ships.
If it was a streat line you would know the campian plot allredy.
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Thats not what i ment,You tell something about a ship and then 3 post later you twist the whole story and the ships.
First you said they werent powerfull enough to take on the shivans.And then they could blow up 2 sathanies each,so now i wonder are they weak or are they strong.You get the point?
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Originally posted by venom2506:
Jonskowitz, if my memory serves me well, there was about 80 sathanas involved during the capella incident. That fleet is about instopable by any conventional meaning, if you ask me. And where the hell were the hundreds of destroyers and the thousands of cruiser you could have supposed to be used as cover for the juggernaughts (well I suppose they were kept away from the nova, but anyway I suppose such a fleet should exist, and leave only during the final stages of the shivan operation).
My mistake, it's been a while since I even played FS2. Still, 80 of the damn things seems to be a pretty massive comitment for the Shivans (and is still below the 100 ship limit needed to even have a shot). Of course the Shivans will use hoards of support craft, but so will StarGunner's race. (The fact is that it still looks like SG's race would have won Capella...)
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Originally posted by darkage:
Thats not what i ment,You tell something about a ship and then 3 post later you twist the whole story and the ships.
First you said they werent powerfull enough to take on the shivans.And then they could blow up 2 sathanies each,so now i wonder are they weak or are they strong.You get the point?
That was the Reace as a hole there just is not enuf lft of them to take on the Shivans, and there masive fleet. The battleship is the only ship that can take out 2 sathanies, and they don't have that meny left, and think the 8 they have all take on 80 sathanies they would loos.
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well no kidding, of course the refugee fleet would get its arse kicked at Capella, I was referring to thier full strength fleet prior to them getting stomped.
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Originally posted by jonskowitz:
well no kidding, of course the refugee fleet would get its arse kicked at Capella, I was referring to thier full strength fleet prior to them getting stomped.
nope not even then, the shivans are just too mich for enny one fleet to kill them all by them self.