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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: diamondgeezer on January 13, 2005, 12:16:29 pm
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Hokay, first of all read this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4170623.stm). Then, if you need Sandhurst explaining, click this (http://www.atra.mod.uk/atra/rmas/). Finally, answer the poll question.
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YES! It was a extremely poor choice for a costume...
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I voted no. But that's because I think that they should stick him in there, and be extra hard on him.
But that's mainly because he's royalty, and I resent the power and 'influence' he has, simply because he was born to that family.
I don't particularly see what the bg deal is with his little stint. It was a friend's birthday party, right? Not like it was a charity ball for a local jewish group.
I mean, I don't condone nazi-ism, or neo-nazi-ism, or anything of the sort, but, so he did something stupid, how many of us haven't done something stupid? Just he has papparazzi following him about all the time, because we all care so much about what celebrities do. :doubt:
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**** I answered wrong.
I meant to voice my support.
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Oh normally I wouldn't give a ****, but as an officer-to-be myself I take a particular interest in this case
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Diamond Geezer wouldn't join the Army to save his life
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****in hell boys. He's just a normal youth who wore a ****e outfit for a party.
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Seriously, I don't care. I'm used to people from Britain having a rather odd picture of my country. :doubt:
Article (http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1377308,00.html) on the British view of Germany.
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Again, Vyp, it's not that the guy did it, it's whether or not such conduct is acceptable in an officer applicant
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Diamond Geezer hopes to be assigned to the Lynx
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Yeah well to be honest your country did try to ass rape us twice. And we won. Twice. So... y'know...
Edit: As a side note, forgiving is one thing but I think taking the approach of just forgetting it all happened is rather dangerous.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Again, Vyp, it's not that the guy did it, it's whether or not such conduct is acceptable in an officer applicant
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Lets be honest, surely you've done some immature stuff and perhaps things to question your.... gentlemanliness in your youth? Should you still be an officer?
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No... it's not like it is breaking the law to wear a nazi uniform at a party, just a bad choice for a costume... and he did apologise.
Now about the cannabis and under-aged drinking...
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Again, Vyp, it's not that the guy did it, it's whether or not such conduct is acceptable in an officer applicant
Yeah, well, had he not been a celeb, would anyone even know he did it?
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Originally posted by vyper
Yeah well to be honest your country did try to ass rape us twice. And we won. Twice. So... y'know...
Edit: As a side note, forgiving is one thing but I think taking the approach of just forgetting it all happened is rather dangerous.
Thank god you won. I don't want to imagine the alternative. It was bad enough, as it was.
Neither is forgetting an alternative that won't happen in a while, anyway. It's just these annoying stereotypes, you know - hearing them all over again and again and again just sucks.
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Originally posted by Ghostavo
No... it's not like it is breaking the law to wear a nazi uniform at a party, just a bad choice for a costume... and he did apologise.
Now about the cannabis and under-aged drinking...
On a side note, you would be breaking laws over here - by wearing Nazi insignia. :nod:
[Edited to clarifiy]
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Yeah but he's a student ain't he? Drugs laws + students = stoner.
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Originally posted by mitac
On a side note, you would be breaking laws over here. :nod:
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How serious is such an offense?
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Couldn't give a toss, to be honest. It was a crap costume, but he knows that. It has no bearing on his suitability for commission.
What does have a bearing, however, is his qualifications. Didn't he get like two "D"s for A-levels and nothing else? I thought officers were supposed to be clever....
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Ghostavo : basically, ยง86a of the German penal law says that people wearing insignia of organisations that contradict or deny the constitution (i.e. Nazis) can be sentenced to prison for at most three years and/or a fine. Though it's open to the judges to abandon the sentence in cases of minor guilt, where Harry's escapade would fit in.
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Personally speaking, I like him. He seems like a healthy, well adjusted 20 year old boy... at least considering his background.
So hes done drugs? Big deal. Got in fights? Some kids half his age have commited rapes and stabbings - so again - big deal.
His attitude - as a rule - seems to be that he really wants to be left alone and for the rest of the country to stop judging him. Bit of a pity considering he's a royal and that he's going to be judged for the rest of his life.
But making him apologise because he hurt some peoples feelings? God we live in a petty little country.
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World. We live in a petty world.
Like I said, if he wasn't royalty (therefore a celeb) would anyone even care? Honestly?
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I hate the little **** - wasted his education and flaunted his upbringing - so I'm going to exercise petty spite and hope he doesn't get in. God forbid anything should happen to William though, if this's the alternative. ;)
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Well see, the only reason he keeps getting burned is because he is royalty. If anybody else did something like that I don't think anyone would give a ****.
I kinda feel sorry for people in the media spotlight like that - No chance to discover life your own way, but forced to conform to what is Right and Proper.
****, if I was in that position I'd try and fake my own death or something to try and get out from under that big ol' spotlight.
People that want to be famous are fair game, but being forced into that situation? Major suckage.
The temptation to tell everyone to **** off must be overwhelming! :)
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Who gives a ****? Couldn't care less about.
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Originally posted by vyper
Lets be honest, surely you've done some immature stuff and perhaps things to question your.... gentlemanliness in your youth? Should you still be an officer?
Like what? Barely drink, smoke a cigar once in a blue moon, never touched drugs. Never attacked someone or publically made racist jokes, neither.
As an officer, Harry would be setting an example to the people under him. He would also be representing his service and his country.
It occurs to me that he really ought to have seen this comming. Got drunk? Front page of the Sun. Smoked pot? Front page of the Sun. Smacked a reporter? Front page of the Sun. Dressed like a Nazi? Now wait a moment, I know this one... front... front page of the... oh the hell with it, pass me that armband... Makes me wonder if he's really smart enough to cut it (although I'm required to have contempt for the Army's standards, of course, joining as I am the Navy)
And call me unforgiving, but I wouldn't particularly want to call someone who thought that was funny a colleague...
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He should be denied entry on the grounds that he's thick as two short planks.
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****in' jackass. I seriously doubt his mental capacity now.
The above is an emotional response. Take no notice of me.
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Good that he wore it, I feel the same way, except for all of humanity, and not a particular selection. But that's probably my stupid American idea that I, alone am better than everybody else... ever.
*goes back to his corner to cry some more*
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I am an American so I don't really have an opinion on this, but this is fairly convincing evidence that Harry is completely disconnected with reality and should be put into a position where he cannot become King.
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I want John Goodman to be king :p
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Well, for one, Harry is quite happy to take the benefits that his 'priviliged' upbringing gives him, and yet quick to knock the lack of privacy that is the cost. For two, the boy, at his age, should have some sense of the responsibilities he carries. And, for three, he's bloody lucky the Queen Mum is dead, she would have gone ballistic! ;)
Whether it was a stupid prank or a statement of 'public rebellion' it was tasteless and disrespectful to the hundreds of thousands who died when his family was one of the 'symbols' of resistance against the nazi regime.
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I was just thinking.... there's been a few calls that "it's only a costume, he was just a bit daft", etc.... but how many times on Halloween or whatever, have you ever seen anyone dressed up as a Nazi?
I mean, how monumentally idiotic would you have to be to shove on that costume and think "oh, no-one will notice and they won't mind either"?
It's not even a proper costume, either
(http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WORLD/europe/01/12/harry.nazi/vert.sun.ap.jpg)
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*cough*Mel Brooks in Blazing Saddles*cough*
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Well, I couldn't give a damn about Prince Harry, it was a private party and it's a problem for the 'Royal' family. Quite frankly I think we should scrap the Royal Family, lots of other countries have been fine without theirs and ours don't do much, the queen passes laws and opens buildings, the princes get on the tabloids.
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Thing is, if I started going clubbing in a KKK outfit, I'd make the papers too....
'Kloo-Klux Clubber clubbed to Death!'
or the like...
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If it had been "dress as a famous historical person" and he dressed as Hitler there wouldn't be as much fuss.
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I think, had he been wearing the silly moustache and playing up the role, there would have been raised eyebrows and a general bout of embarassed coughing, but not nearly the media circus it has become.
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He screwed up...no doubt about that. You just don't go waving that symbol around anywhere...except in the strictest and most serious of historical reproductions. This was not.
However, the difference between this screwup and something that any one of us has probably done that we thought ill of later (and everyone has SOMETHING) is that we don't have the bloody paparazzi taking photos of us every other second. What he needs is a good family talking to and not world press coverage.
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What he really needs, is a good swift kick up the arse.
Actually, so do all the royal family.......
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Scary bit is, in one of the pictures of him in a baseball cap, he looked exactly like Ron Howard.... it was creepy... :nervous:
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Originally posted by aldo_14
I was just thinking.... there's been a few calls that "it's only a costume, he was just a bit daft", etc.... but how many times on Halloween or whatever, have you ever seen anyone dressed up as a Nazi?
Most people would probably get the **** kicked out of them these days for dressing like that. Just try it on the streets of any major city and see how far you get.
Flipside, I suppose it's quite hard for him to actually pick one thing or the other though. He'd have to be stupid to not make use of the special privlages that royalty grants him. However he doesn't want (and never asked for) the attention that goes with it.
Now did he earn the privlages? Does he deserve them? Hard to say - but in a world where footballers are paid thousands of pounds per game and homeless people starve on the streets of the same cities that they play in - I don't think this is really as big a deal as everyone is making of it.
Someone mentioned to me yesterday - a talk show discussing this issue. Someone pointed out that half way round the planet there was a massive case of devastation and death in the form of the tsunami. Britain however - is concerning itself with what the youngest of the royal family wore to a party.
People need to get their priorities straight. Feed the starving, house the homeless and help to combat crime then focus on the latest clothing mishap of a teenage boy.
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[color=66ff00]Bloody hell, why is everyone making so much of this?
After 9-11 I saw two guys in a pub dress as Osama, my Friend Laura was up for slapping one of them but I persnally don't understand it.
Mel Brooks is the perfect example of how this should be handled, take the piss out of it, there's nothing more liberating than taking all of the teeth out of the shark. Unfortunately there's quite a few twats running around getting money and power by screaming anti-semitism at people who try to take something heinous and turn it into something harmless and God forbid, actually funny.
If he wore the costume as a joke then surely it's the ultimate slap in the face for Nazi's everywhere whos mission is to breed hate. Meanwhile those utter ****s in the media actually help the gits out by creating an international incident out of a stupid costume party.
Score one for the Nazis, job well done tabloids.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]Bloody hell, why is everyone making so much of this?
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Simply because of the sheer, astonishing idiocy in that he seems to think no-one would have minded.
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He should have gone to the party as gay hitler instead. :D
(http://galeon.hispavista.com/moparredes-bauer/img/gayhitler.jpg)
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Queer Nazis. There's a unique idea. :lol:
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I voted no. It was a stupid, stupid, instensitive thing, but in terms of admittance to the navy and such things, it's on par with, say, sneaking into the girl's locker room and getting caught: It's dumb, it's insensitive, it'll get a huge blotch on your record, but it's not gonna get you denied acces (although in some places it might, I'm just using a general term :))
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Well as ex-soldiers frequently tell me, the army'll take any old riff-raff... just glad I ain't gotta serve with the little prick
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Have you met him?
I only ask because I've some friends who have met him at a rugby match (post private schools in the south of the UK, you know how it goes).
Apparently, he's a genuinely nice guy. Just "one of the lads" or something like that...
At any rate - lets look at the reason this has really managed to offend so many people: The papers. If he'd gone to the party and not been seen then maybe his friends and he might have a laugh about it - and it would have ended there.
However it got taken ahold of by a media that loves to hate - and before you know it the entire planet knows about it and is being told how wrong it is.
A poorly chosen joke gone wrong - but hardly the crime of the century.
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So he's a bit of a Tim Nice-But-Dim, huh? Cos he hasn't learnt from all the lessons of his past media tanglings...
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I don't see what the fuss is all about, honestly.
Paraphrasing Michael Bywater: to find something offensive is not a judgement, but a whine.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
So he's a bit of a Tim Nice-But-Dim, huh? Cos he hasn't learnt from all the lessons of his past media tanglings...
I'm not sure if that's entirely right - I rather get the impression that he just doesn't care.
However - I'm getting to the stage where it sounds like I know him really well and am in a position to spreak for him. That's not the case at all.
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ok, lets think about this, why do people were costumes? it's a joke, you try to find some obscure thing that no one else had thought of and you generaly mock the thing you are going as, if he had chosen to go as hanable lector whould we be hearing cries about his suport for canable phycopaths?
Jesus H. ****ingcrist! this is the same level of stupidity as by people who need an explaination as to why gerbles don't get the same rights as people. it's just so stupid most people don't need to think about it.
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Oi vey. Look, I'll say this one last time: the issue I brought up is not that some celebrity's made a faux pas. It's whether or not this sort of conduct is becomming in someone who wants to be an army officer.
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And it's not.
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going to a private party dressed in a costume?
mocking Nazis? (again in private, not that it would realy metter)
this somehow disqualifies him from being an officer?
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A Nazi uniform is hardly just "a costume." It's a symbol that stands for hate, injustice, and terrible atrocities in the minds of millions of people. That a potential army officer would wear it, even in jest, disturbs me greatly. I'm amazed that the British people haven't carried him away and drawn and quartered him. I mean, how many Brits lost somebody very close to them in World War II? The guy who made the Nazis infamous tried to destroy Britain and killed thousands of Brits. For a member of the royal family to then put on that uniform is nothing short of treason, no matter how it was intended.
Then again, I'm not British. So I guess what I think isn't so relevant.
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It's also a rather worrying in someone whose great grandfather's brother is a well known nazi sympathsiser.
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The thing is, if I went, even to a fancy dress party, dressed in a Nazi uniform, I have no doubt that either the party goers or passers by would let me know exactly how tasteless I was being
Whilst I agree that compared to the Tsunami and the like, it should be very low on our list of priorities, but when you consider that this boy, whether he likes it or not, will have pictures of himself, particuarly like this, beamed onto TV's not only in this country but in other countries as well.
It's not easy being a member of the Royal Family, you are an ambassador every moment you are in public, I don't think Harry deals with that fact very well, and it is the norm for teenagers to rebel, but I think Harry tried to push the swing too far in the other direction. Just as with everyone else, I think he has reached that 'too far' point in his teenage life, which is where most of us have that blazing row with our parents...
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Originally posted by Corsair
It's a symbol that stands for hate, injustice, and terrible atrocities in the minds of millions of people. That a potential army officer would wear it, even in jest, disturbs me greatly.
The reduction of complex ideologies, attitudes and statements into a single emblem is a gross distortion of the truth and can only lead to the misdirection of otherwise justified and righteous abhorrence, rage and argumentation.
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Well what's the first thing that comes into your mind when you see a swastika?
I think of my grandpa fighting the Nazis in Italy and some distant cousins of mine who never made it out of Germany.
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Don't get me wrong, if I'd been there in person I'd have put him out cold then shoved a replica of my grandad's africa campaign marksman's patch up his anus.
My issue is how much attention the media is giving it. He's an arse, but hopefully the army will scare the little arsehole into a down-to-earth approach.
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Originally posted by Blaise Russel
The reduction of complex ideologies, attitudes and statements into a single emblem is a gross distortion of the truth and can only lead to the misdirection of otherwise justified and righteous abhorrence, rage and argumentation.
Eh? The reason we have these emblems is so that they CAN identify these groups with distinct 'ideologies, attitudes and statements'. By bearing the swastika Harry has shown either his ignorance or apathy of what it represents.
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Originally posted by Corsair
It's a symbol that stands for hate, injustice, and terrible atrocities in the minds of millions of people.
and so is the devil and yet I somehow doubt that if he had gone dressed as lucifer to this party there wouldn't be any uproar.
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The devil didn't bomb the **** out of Britain anytime in living memory.
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I'm just more concerned with the ideology itself than with prats stumbling around, dressed up in funny clothes, making fools of themselves.
When he starts sieg-heiling and talking about the 'purity of the race', then I'll be worried.
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I once dressed up as a neo-Nazi (first it was an accident, then I got drunk), and walked around the parties claiming how I was a gay nazi, and born a jew, and stuff like that.
To my own surprise no one told my I was being disrespectful. I got pretty wasted and decided the skinhead costume was a bit too much, so I started to speak pseudorussian and send people TO GULAG MOTHJERLJAND
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:wtf:
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I could make some comment about this being the result of inbreeding, but that would be rude (and I'm not try to be insulting to British royalty specifically in this comment, but rather the vast majority of hereditary aristocracies). Instead, let's just say this was an idiotic act, nothing more, nothing less.
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ok, lets put it this way, if Bush had a son and he dressed up as Usama while going to a halloween party, I wouldn't care.
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I would.
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Spectator #1: Oh my God. I'm so offended. I'm going to do something about this.
Spectator #2: Mike, there's not really anything you can do.
Spectator #1: Wow, you're right. I... I guess I'm... just going to have to develop a sense of humor, or something... huh?
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It would be sending the message that it is okay to flaunt Nazism and Nazi symbols. By saying that's okay, it's basically saying the ideology is okay, which it most absolutely is not.
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I think a more relevant question would be can he be denied enterance to sandhurst, as opposed to should he. Because you know he is like the future king of england and all that.
Probably piss those of you who oppose his wearing of the costume off if I pointed out that your tax money paid for it?
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I knew I chose socialism for a reason...
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