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Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: IceFire on January 16, 2005, 12:13:20 pm
Just finished watching the first episode of the new Battlestar Galactica.  I got my family to tape it on SPACE channel while I was out yesterday evening.  Very impressive first epsiode, they did that one really well I thought.  The storyline is very interwoven, complicated, but fairly easy to follow.  Visuals and acting are superb.  I'm hooked!
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Thorn on January 16, 2005, 12:15:01 pm
Yep, very well done. Wait till you see the next few, they get better.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: ZylonBane on January 16, 2005, 12:25:25 pm
What in the hell was up with the presidential staff wearing 100% straight-from-Earth business clothing? And that Cylon going on and on and on about God??
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: aldo_14 on January 16, 2005, 12:31:29 pm
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
What in the hell was up with the presidential staff wearing 100% straight-from-Earth business clothing? And that Cylon going on and on and on about God??


Who said it was a Cylon?........
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Liberator on January 16, 2005, 12:34:38 pm
It's part of the story.  The Cylon's are supposed to be very spiritual, but it might not necessarily be the god we are expecting.

Why should the Presidental Staff wear some kind of specially designed clothing?  They are human and despite everything else, they would evolve the same basic clothing styles.  The business suit hasn't really changed all that much for almost 120 years, why should it be super different for humans from another world?
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: vyper on January 16, 2005, 12:41:21 pm
There's a review of it by Alan Blair on SyFyPortal.com you may either love or hate, and should give you a good guide the upcoming episodes. It's in their archies somewhere. :)
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: ZylonBane on January 16, 2005, 12:49:53 pm
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Originally posted by Liberator
The business suit hasn't really changed all that much for almost 120 years, why should it be super different for humans from another world?
Because, unlike functional clothing, the design of business clothing is extremely arbitrary. To be honest I didn't have much of a problem with it until I saw the dude wearing a tie. That was just too much. That and the whiteboard w/dry erase pen.

And the shakeycam is way, way, way overdone/overused.

Other than that it seems not-half-bad.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: dan87uk on January 16, 2005, 12:57:51 pm
i thought it was brilliant. ive only seen the first 5 eps cus of time and the fact tht my mom is a ***** when it comes to watchin the tv when its on cus 'her programs' are on at that time aswel....desptie them being on normal terrestrial tv where she can watch in her own room :@ grrr....aaaanyway ;) lol the episode '33' was quite good. and the one where starbuck has to train the new pilots
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: WMCoolmon on January 16, 2005, 01:08:07 pm
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
What in the hell was up with the presidential staff wearing 100% straight-from-Earth business clothing? And that Cylon going on and on and on about God??


'Cause if they were wearing pink jumpsuits or whatever it would look silly. :p Seriously, they had to decide on something, and as you said, business clothing is arbitrary.
The point of the new show is realism, and it helps people identify with characters if they're wearing clothing similar to something they're familiar with.


This Friday = BSG, Stargate season 8, Stargate Atlantis = teh rock.

I'm surprised nobody thought of the 'Cylon agent' thing before Baltir though.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Ashrak on January 16, 2005, 01:16:14 pm
wait ... was this like the mini series or the first episod AFTER caprica and other colonies got wtf pwned?
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: IceFire on January 16, 2005, 01:16:40 pm
I'm giving a big thumbs up to the presidential staff having regular buisness clothing.  Why not?

The whiteboard?  Why not use them.  Galactica is an interesting setup, if you watched the min-series then it would probably make some more sense, but this is a culture that has some aversions to technology.  They use it as much as they need it but the previous war with the Cylons made them reconsider.  The line from Adama in the miniseries at the beginning where he said that they would only network the computers on his ship over his dead body or something to that effect was an important moment.

We also see that some of this feeling has gone by the wayside.  The way in which the Cylons were able to take out the newer Battlestars (I'd love to see one too!) and the Viper Mark VIIIs but not the Mark IIs or the older Galatica tells you something about this too.

Half of their technology is high tech to us...the other half looks antiquated.  Awesome mix.  Pick up on these things to understand the show a little more...

As for re-imagining the series over the original, I'm also giving a big thumbs up here too.  The original, even for the 70s, was maybe a little bit hokey.  I always thought that these people were doing far too well after loosing everything.  But that was then...this is now...the new grity atmosphere works...as long as they don't take it too far (like Space Above and Beyond, random dark planet number 5000 that we've seen every other week got boring).
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: SadisticSid on January 16, 2005, 01:38:32 pm
I love the new series. Shame there's only two more episodes to go until the end (in the UK at least). I suppose we'll have to see how well it does in ratings terms; it'd better not get cancelled after the first or second season...
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Ashrak on January 16, 2005, 02:34:17 pm
th CGI is very well done! :)




SPOILER!!!!!



















loved the assult on the cylon refinery dropped pods literally pooof goes refinery :D
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: an0n on January 16, 2005, 02:45:00 pm
The shakey-cam gets used less and less as the series progresses. It still shakes a bit, but it's most off-center zooms by the penultimate episode.

The whole Cylon obsession with God gets kinda creepy by the end. I won't spoil it by explaining any plot, but it ends up making them seem even less human than the original toasters. C'z anyone whose watched the mini knows they're all "I'm a real boy!" now, but it kinda gets to the point where you're like "Wait. They're just stringing them along....."
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: ZylonBane on January 16, 2005, 02:45:44 pm
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Originally posted by IceFire
I'm giving a big thumbs up to the presidential staff having regular buisness clothing.  Why not?
Because it takes Willing Suspension of Disbelief and stabs a spork in its eye. Other SF shows (like B5, for example) have managed to create conservative civilian clothing that doesn't look like it came off the rack of the local department store. It's pretty obvious that they just cheaped out in this regard.

Let's face it-- ties are an extremely stupid, nonfunctional item of clothing. What are the odds that two utterly removed cultures would come up with them?

Unlike "but they speak English too!", this is something that's easy to fix.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: aldo_14 on January 16, 2005, 03:02:33 pm
Possibly I'm not such an accomplished nit-picker, but I never had my viewing experience spoiled by the use of suit & tie.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Ace on January 16, 2005, 03:36:26 pm
Hrmmm I have mixed feelings about the series.

I'm also watching the original one at the same time, which while cheesy has a certain charm.

In a sense, I don't think they're having enough meaningful characterization yet.

Everything is: "I'M DARK AND GRITTY!!!! FEAR ME!!!! LOOK I'M AN UPCOMING DEPRESSING MORAL DILEMMA!!!!1111"

There's not the simple stuff like just having the people play cards, doing normal things, and then life being disrupted.

Even the card game Starbuck had became some weird sexual innuendo with Baltar thing...

...heh and the Cylons went from stupid tin cans to becoming Bush buddies :p "God will only forgive you Baltar if you put this broom up Adama's ass... and we also need a nukuler bomb too, sweetie."
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: ZylonBane on January 16, 2005, 05:25:48 pm
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Possibly I'm not such an accomplished nit-picker, but I never had my viewing experience spoiled by the use of suit & tie.
It's not just me. The Earthy costuming and prop work is getting mentioned rather a lot on some of the Usenet threads I've been reading. For example--

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But one thing that's absolutely driving me bananas is the costuming. I
hate how modern-day-earth it is-it looks like they bought the entire
wardrobe right off the rack at Marshall Field's. It's an alien culture,
yet they don't look the slightest bit alien. They have turned-down
collars, and ties, and skirt-suits that are exactly like present-day
Earth wear. Couldn't they have tweaked them just a little to make them
look more different? Anybody just tuning in would assume they were FROM
Earth, not trying to find it. Even the hairstyles are the same (nice to
know they have perms in space). It's kind of distracting to have to keep
reminding myself that these people aren't from 2005 Earth.

In fact, the entire production design apart from the spacecraft exactly
mirrors 2005 Earth, right down to the hot tubs, outdoor wooden decks,
and the aforementioned dry-erase boards and squeaky magic markers
straight from Staples. I guess you could argue that it refelects
parallel development, but I wish they could have made it look a little
different. There's just no way they'd have everything *exactly* like us.

and...
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Anybody tuning in to the
scene where Baltar's talking to Six on his wooden deck outside his house
would think they were watching a contemporary Earth-set drama. There's
absolutely no sense of an alien culture at all, except for the fact that
they have spaceships. From a design point of view, it seems cheap and
lazy. It's constantly pulling me out of the idea that these people
aren't from Earth, because they look JUST like 2005 Earth people.

The above two snippets are from the RAST newsgroup.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: aldo_14 on January 16, 2005, 05:28:50 pm
Well, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Unknown Target on January 16, 2005, 05:33:48 pm
Can't wait to see it. I'm recording the 8:00 episode on my PVR tonight :)
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: redmenace on January 16, 2005, 05:49:17 pm
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Originally posted by Ashrak
th CGI is very well done! :)

SPOILER!!!!!

loved the assult on the cylon refinery dropped pods literally pooof goes refinery :D


Hmm, I have to watch the new episodes. I have seen up to number six and it is very good. I think that I will download of a torrent.

Spoiler:
Although I will say I don't like how boomer is a cylon in 2 places at once and how the one pilot doesn't have a freaking clue. I also think the spinal column being lit during sex is wierd. The whole thing with Dr. Baltar, although a fitting punishment for what he has done, is wierd. Especially the scene with him jerking off.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Liberator on January 16, 2005, 05:50:36 pm
Umm, something that seems to be escaping all you purists.

The Colonies aren't some random aliens that look like us.  They ARE Human.  

It makes sense that they would have the same sensibilities as we do, live in the same kind of enviroments we do, and enjoy the same kinds of activities we enjoy.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: ZylonBane on January 16, 2005, 05:51:57 pm
Uhh, Boomer isn't in two places at once. They're both instances of the same model of human-form Cylon.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: redmenace on January 16, 2005, 05:55:01 pm
unless they are linked. something that is unclear are all the sixes and boomers interlinked?

As for the way they dress, it is strictly to give a feel of simularity like TOS. In TOS, actors were dressed in 1970s style clothing, but has a sense of uniqueness as well. Basically it is meant to draw one into the story.

Über Spoiler:
Spoiler:

TV Movie
 
Mini Series (1)
 

Forty years after the end of the Cylon War, the artificially created Cylons declare war on humanity by attacking and destroying all of their twelve colonies. The military crumbles after their newly updated ships shut down in the face of a new unknown Cylon weapon. A lone Battlestar known as Galactica, due to be decomissioned and turned into a museum turns out to be the only thing standing between the Cylons, and total destruction of the human race.
 

b: 08-Dec-2003 w: Ronald D. Moore , Glen A. Larson d: Michael Rymer  

NOTE: Original Audience: 3.9 Million Viewers
Originally a 2 Hour Movie
On one of the flags during the speech Adama gives the ID-number of the "Galactica" is given as BCS-76 (Battle Carrier Star?). On the RC-2 DVD it is said that the producers/writers take a lot of references from the US and UK Navy. So this is proabally a reference to the CVN-76 "Ronald Reagan", the newest US Carrier.
 

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Mini Series (2)
 

With all others in the line of succession dead, Laura Roslin, the Education Minister is appointed president of the Thirteen Colonies. Her new plan is to round up all of the remaining surviving ships and together, with the Galactica flee their home solar systems never to return.
 

b: 09-Dec-2003 w: Ronald D. Moore , Glen A. Larson d: Michael Rymer  

NOTE: Original Audience: 4.46 Million Viewers
Part 2 of the series ranked higher than part one, thanks in part to word of mouth and a re-airing of part one right before.
This was the third most watched program on SciFi (as of Dec 12 2003) it was beaten only by Frank Herbert's Dune, and Stephen Spielburg's Taken
Originally a 2 Hour Movie
 

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Season 1 Sky One
 
1. 33
 

The Convoy of refugees is attacked exactly thirty three minutes after every FTL jump, leading many to believe there is a traitor in their midst.
 

b: 18-Oct-2004 pc: 101 w: Ronald D. Moore d: Michael Rymer  

NOTE: The Rising Star was the name of one of the ships from the original show's fleet.
At the end of the episode, the fleet consisted of 47,973 people.
The US version of the series, starting from this (the pilot) episode, made two subtle introductory changes: the Sci-Fi Channel added the episode title (between the "Previously on" section and the start of action) and changed the opening theme music.
At the start of this episode, just over five days have passed since the conclusion of the miniseries.
As each of the pilots leaves the flight briefing room, they touch a wall poster of another pilot, presumably one that died on one of the Colonies during the last battle with the Cylons, as a mark of respect.
Original US Airdate: January 14, 2005 Aired back to back with Water
 

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2. Water
 

Boomer wakes up in a storage locker soaking wet and carrying a bag with a bomb in it. Moments later, several explosions rip through the Battlestar Galactica bleeding her of 60% of her water. Now the crew struggles to find another source of water before riots threaten to destroy the convoy.
 

b: 25-Oct-2004 pc: 102 w: Ronald D. Moore d: Marita Grabiak  

NOTE: President Roslin has three outfits.
Baltar says there are 45,265 civilians in the fleet. Given the stats of total fleet population in the last episode, that means there are 2,708 military personnel in the fleet.
Original US Airdate January 14, 2005 Aired back to back with 33
 

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3. Bastille Day
gs: Richard Hatch (Tom Zarek)  

Lee has an idea to use prisoners to collect a new supply of water from underground on an icy moon, but the leader of a group of insurgents uses the opportunity to take some of the ship's officers hostage.
 

b: 01-Nov-2004 pc: 103 w: Toni Graphia d: Allan Kroeker  

NOTE: Richard Hatch who plays Tom Zarek in this episode played Captain Apollo in the 1978 version of Battlestar Galactica.
The series now uses a recap at the front of the episode giving the back story before the previous episode is recapped as well.
The BSG Logos are no longer used as bumpers.
This is Connor Widdows' (Boxey) first appearance on the show since the Mini Series.
 

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4. Act of Contrition
gs: Lorena Gale (Priest Elosha) Donnelly Rhodes (Dr. Cottle) Jill Teed (Sergeant Hadrian (Master at Arms))  

When a accident causes the death of 20 of Galactica's fighter pilots on the hangar deck, Kara must train a new squad, bringing back painful memories for her and Lee.
 

b: 08-Nov-2004 pc: 104 w: Bradley Thompson & David Weddle d: Rod Hardy  
 

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5. You Can't Go Home Again
gs: Donnelly Rhodes (Dr. Cottle)  

When Kara goes missing under enemy fire, Lee and his father stir up resentment by using too many of the Galactica's scanty resources in their attempts to find her.
 

b: 15-Nov-2004 pc: 105 w: Carla Robinson d: Sergio Mimica-Gezzan  
 

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6. Litmus
 

When an attack by some of the new humanoid Cylons reveals their existence, a tribunal is convened to determine if any more of them are hiding among the crew of the Galactica.
 

b: 22-Nov-2004 pc: 106 w: Jeff Vlaming d: Rod Hardy  
 

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7. Six Degrees of Separation
gs: Donnelly Rhodes (Dr. Cottle)  

Baltar has an argument with Number Six over the existence of only one true god that leads her to disappear from his life. Soon after he is called to the bridge where he sees her standing there. He initially tries to pretend that he does not see her as is generally the case but soon learns that this Cylon is calling herself Ms Godfrey. She accuses Baltar of being the traitor responsible for the failure of the Colonial Defenses. She provides proof in the form of a disc that once analyzed will prove that he was responsible.

The chief and company are working to try and get the Cylon fighter to fly again but are completely unable to make it respond.

The president collapses while speaking to Baltar on the phone leaving the fleet in chaos.

Baltar tries to convince Gaeta to let him work on the decryption of the disc but he refuses. The computer finishes its analysis only to reveal Baltar planted the bomb he is accused of planting. He is arrested but freed after Gaeta runs another test to learn that the disc had been tampered with. He is freed and after apologizing to Number Six she returns to him.

Meanwhile, back on the glorious land of Caprica, Helo and Boomer continue their flight from their pursuers. The two have a few moments of tenderness followed by some hard core tongue action, while at the same moment Boomer back on board the Galactica opens her locker to see the word "CYLON" written in yellow on her mirror.
 

b: 29-Nov-2004 pc: 107 w: Michael Angeli d: Robert Young  
 

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8. Flesh and Bone
gs: Callum Keith Rennie (Leoben Conoy) Matthew Bennett (Aaron Doral)  

Kara has a crisis of conscience when she is ordered to torture a Cylon prisoner to find out where a bomb has been hidden somewhere in the fleet.
 

b: 06-Dec-2004 pc: 108 w: Toni Graphia d: Brad Turner  
 

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9. Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down
 

Col. Tigh's estranged wife turns up on the Galactica, asking for a reconciliation.
 

b: 13-Dec-2004 pc: 109  

NOTE: The UK TiVo EPG has it listed as Secrets and Lies
The TiVo guide data actually has "Tigh Me Up Tigh Me Down" for Mon 13th Dec and Fri 17th Dec Sky One showings, and "Secrets and Lies" for the Thu 16th Dec and Sat 18th Dec Sky One Mix showings (but all with correct the OAD of Mon 13th)! In a normal week all four would show the same episode title. The Sky EPG, which is normally accurate (as Sky contractually obligies the broadcasters to make it so), lists "Tigh Me Up Tigh Me Down" for all four showings. Digiguide lists Secrets and lies for all four. But I think on balance that is wrong. "Tigh Me Up Tigh Me Down" must be correct.
 

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10. The Hand of God
 

Adama decides to launch an attack on a Cylon base.
 

b: 03-Jan-2005 pc: 110  

NOTE: This episode is the first adaptation of an episode from the classic Battlestar Galactica series. "The Hand of God" served as the finale of the original series, and it also involved Adama taking the fight to the Cylons  

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11. Colonial Day
gs: Richard Hatch (Tom Zerek) Kate Vernon () Robert Wisden () David Kaye () Alex Zahara () Patrick Gallagher () Malcolm Stewart ()  

Tom Zarek has himself nominated for the role of Vice President as an assassin is located on board the Cloud Nine Luxury liner. As tensions flare the cruel hand of politics leads to murder, and the election of the most unlikely Vice President.
 

b: 10-Jan-2005 pc: 111 w: Carla Robinson d: Jonas Pate  
 

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12. Kobol's Last Gleaming (1)
 

The Galactica reaches the planet Kobol.
 

b: 17-Jan-2005 pc: 112  

NOTE: This episode will be based on the original series two part episode "Lost Planet of the Gods" which had previously introduced the world and mysteries of Kobol  

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13. Kobol's Last Gleaming (2)
 

A fighter from the Galactica is shot down over Kobol by a Cylon patrol.
 

pc: 113  
 

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Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: karajorma on January 16, 2005, 06:09:30 pm
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Originally posted by Liberator
Umm, something that seems to be escaping all you purists.

The Colonies aren't some random aliens that look like us.  They ARE Human.  

It makes sense that they would have the same sensibilities as we do, live in the same kind of enviroments we do, and enjoy the same kinds of activities we enjoy.


That's just idiotic. Do the Masai Mara wear pin stripe suits when hunting on the plains? They're human too. They even live on the same planet as you do. According to you they should wear the same clothes you do when they're lounging around the hut.

There is no way in hell that humans whose culture has diverged from ours for as long as the humans in BSG would have ended with the same way of dressing as 20th century westerners.

While it might not bother me as much as it bothers ZB it is a plot hole almost as big as StarGate's everybody speaks english.

However I'll reserve judgement because there is an explaination that works. In the classic series the colonials were the descendants of the Mayans and other ancient people who had left Earth and in the series returned in the 1980s.

If we say that in this series they are descended from 20th century man then it becomes possible. Odd that styles haven't changed in how long it took them to forget about Kobol (or that such a retro look has suddenly become so completely fashionable again) but at least possible.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: WMCoolmon on January 16, 2005, 06:10:02 pm
I'd say yes, they are. The fleet didn't pursue the Galactica into the nebula, even though it couldn't jump out of it. Since they'd lost contact with their agents on both the station and galactica, they were probably wondering what was up. The Galactica flies out, and they regain contact with Boomer and whatever-it-was on the civillian ship, and they realize the nebula is disrupting Cylon communications.

Of course, when they enter the ammo dump and find the Cylon left behind, he tells them that it destroys their neural interface.

One important plot point, I think: they don't have pictures of all the civilians. There could be more Cylon models in the fleet that we've already met....
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: redmenace on January 16, 2005, 06:12:58 pm
Especially children. What if that child that appears frequently is a cylon. :nervous:
Title: kids
Post by: Getter Robo G on January 16, 2005, 06:13:31 pm
original was a "family oriented show" Disney meets sci-fi with a high morality preached.

BSG remake is for you jaded gen y's "dark dirty sexy"

You cannot compare the two at all so don't even try.

Rememebr everything was stolen but altered from the original though...

Instead of the Colonials beign very religious (based a lot off the jewish/egyptian stuff) you now have evangelistic Cylons and relatively uncaring Colonials.

As the series progresses if you know what to look for you will see other such alterations.

In the original the traitor Baltar was evil to the core who betrayed teh Colonys for power to rule over the remnants and ended up helping to hunt them down. In this one Baltar is still a traitor but his evil is his weakness to take responsibility and now each week trys more plots to keep from being found out, thus committing more evil outof necessity.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: karajorma on January 16, 2005, 06:15:12 pm
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Originally posted by redmenace
Über Spoiler:


Not for those of us in the UK They've transmitted all the episodes apart from the last two :D
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: WMCoolmon on January 16, 2005, 06:15:13 pm
Or Gaius.

Although from the way people are talking about the new episodes, I suspect not. Too bad...
Title: Re: kids
Post by: redmenace on January 16, 2005, 06:30:54 pm
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Originally posted by Getter Robo G
original was a "family oriented show" Disney meets sci-fi with a high morality preached.

BSG remake is for you jaded gen y's "dark dirty sexy"

You cannot compare the two at all so don't even try.

Rememebr everything was stolen but altered from the original though...

Wasn't trying to be a prude, just commenting I thought it was really wierd.

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Originally posted by karajorma


Not for those of us in the UK They've transmitted all the episodes apart from the last two :D


I know. I posted a thread with a torrent link, but Shrike closed it down. I have been watching them here in the states.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: PrISM on January 16, 2005, 07:00:46 pm
I watched the new series and thought it pretty good. I'm definitely going to be tuning in on Friday nights now. Then again, I've never seen the original version, so I've got nothing to base it against.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on January 16, 2005, 09:08:37 pm
I've seen it up to the Episode "Water."

This series is Freakin' Awesome. Better than SG-1.

It kinda reminds me of Firefly.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on January 16, 2005, 09:12:27 pm
I think that the clothing and things from our world are there as a statement.....They aren't so different from us.  They have the same feelings, and the same ways that we have.  They also have the same fears and hopes.  Apollo modifying the board i think was a pretty powerful moment.  As far as he is concerned he iced a whole bunch of people, people that the human race couldn't afford to lose.  Notice that we see no reaction from Starbuck?  I think that is totally in character for her, but on the inside it is eating her alive.  I really hope that they play on that angle.

and Boomer....
the whole scene where she finds the water, and has her hand on the detonator.  is her imprinted personality struggling with her cylon programming?  By all rights she should have not admitted that she found that water.  and after a struggle to voice it, she finally did.
why the struggle?

but all in all, i enjoyed it.  I enjoyed how dark it is, because it really gets the point across as to how dark those times are for them.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on January 16, 2005, 09:15:45 pm
Maybe her personality's "attachments" are fighting the programming. Boomer's gotta be my favorite character in the show.

And that scene just pissed me off. If a ship is...

a) Full of nukes.

b) Unresponsive

c) Set to ram the Galactica

d) Has no visible passengers

e) 3 hours late

and

f) 'Mysteriously' is not destroyed by the Cylons

...then you shoot first and don't f*cking cry about it afterwards.
Title: Re: kids
Post by: ZylonBane on January 16, 2005, 09:15:50 pm
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Originally posted by Getter Robo G
original was a "family oriented show"
Uhhh... riiiight. A "family oriented" show about the last ragtag vestiges of a civilization slaughtered by killer robots.

I'm guessing I wouldn't want to meet your family.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: ShadowWolf_IH on January 16, 2005, 09:26:33 pm
your last name isn't Adams is it?
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: ZylonBane on January 16, 2005, 09:31:55 pm
Why yes, it is. I'm well-known for my black and white nature photography, wrote The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, created Dilbert, sell a successful brand of beer, had some pop hits in the 80s, and was the sixth President of the United States.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Rictor on January 16, 2005, 10:31:40 pm
All that, and you still find the time and hang out with us nerds and misfits. I'm flattered.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: IceFire on January 16, 2005, 11:17:55 pm
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Originally posted by Jetmech Jr.
Maybe her personality's "attachments" are fighting the programming. Boomer's gotta be my favorite character in the show.

And that scene just pissed me off. If a ship is...

a) Full of nukes.

b) Unresponsive

c) Set to ram the Galactica

d) Has no visible passengers

e) 3 hours late

and

f) 'Mysteriously' is not destroyed by the Cylons

...then you shoot first and don't f*cking cry about it afterwards.

It might be something that'd happen if you had nothing more than 10 or 20 minutes of sleep for 3-4 days.  Judgement is impaired, emotions are high, hopes that surviors made it out, uncertainty of whats actually going on in the ship.

Take yourself out of yourself and put it into the characters.  Wrap context into what they have been telling in the story...if that was me, I'd be every bit as hestitant to pull the trigger as Apollo was.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Liberator on January 16, 2005, 11:24:36 pm
Something else to remember about this version that is different from the first version.  This version is about the characters, even the Cylons, the ships and battles are windowdressing, awesome windowdressing, but still just windowdressing.  The first version was like having a B grade effects driven movie to watch every monday(or whenever it was on)
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: IceFire on January 16, 2005, 11:27:33 pm
So when is someone going to make is a SCP BSG mod so I can fly a Viper Mark VIII and shoot down some Cylons?
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on January 16, 2005, 11:44:38 pm
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Originally posted by IceFire

Take yourself out of yourself and put it into the characters.  Wrap context into what they have been telling in the story...if that was me, I'd be every bit as hestitant to pull the trigger as Apollo was.


I pretty much always do that (putting myself in the other person's shoes), and if you think about it, it's logical and rational to fire your damn guns with no regrets. All clues point to the fact that you're killing Cylons and saving 47,000 other people by doing so (they were using the Carrier to track the Fleet).
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Liberator on January 16, 2005, 11:48:33 pm
and were apparently going to try and use it to attack the Galactica.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: aldo_14 on January 17, 2005, 03:18:21 am
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Originally posted by IceFire
So when is someone going to make is a SCP BSG mod so I can fly a Viper Mark VIII and shoot down some Cylons?


Find DamoclesX and nick his models.....

Oh, and
Spoiler:

It's not a Cylon chip in Baltars head, it's guilt.  

Apparently.  (I think it's mentioned in some interview for the mini-series or whatnot, I can't find the place I saw it originally; I don't know if that still stands for the tv series, of course)

Oh, and 10=best so far.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: diamondgeezer on January 17, 2005, 06:59:16 am
Spoiler:
There's only two episodes left? Nooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: aldo_14 on January 17, 2005, 07:32:40 am
Spoiler:

Bugger, eh?
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Liberator on January 17, 2005, 09:46:01 am
It's not guilt either.  Six is going to be visible to Adama and the others later on according to The Lowdown thingy they had on SciFi.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: mitac on January 17, 2005, 09:56:58 am
Spoiler:
Not just visible.


I read the US version has a different title theme - and it's said to be a lot worse than the UK theme.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Liberator on January 17, 2005, 10:03:21 am
There's a title theme?  It just kinda seems to go into the story...
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: mitac on January 17, 2005, 10:29:21 am
Here (http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=475625&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#475625) 's a comparison of the two.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: aldo_14 on January 17, 2005, 11:23:42 am
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Originally posted by Liberator
It's not guilt either.  Six is going to be visible to Adama and the others later on according to The Lowdown thingy they had on SciFi.


I dunno.  The guilt thing - I think related to the DVD commentary for the mini-series; so it might have been changed since then, or I read dodgy info.  I can say that
Spoiler:

With 2 eps left, there's been no indication of 6 becoming visible to anyone else.  Well.... not the 6 in Baltars head......
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: mitac on January 17, 2005, 11:30:33 am
Well, sure, that specific Six won't appear visually. Unless she'd transfer her whatever-it-is-conscience to another model.

Spoiler:
Lib, she'll be visible in a later episode, though it's not her - riddle, eh?
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: IceFire on January 17, 2005, 12:50:41 pm
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Originally posted by mitac
Here (http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=475625&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#475625) 's a comparison of the two.

Interesting...yeah, the Canadian/UK version I think is slightly better.  Although the US versions military march bit sounds ok too.  Really both are good and I'm wondering why they didn't just use the same thing.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: mitac on January 17, 2005, 01:02:16 pm
I read it somewhere - the SCIFI manager thought the UK theme wasn't appropriate for the US market, so she ordered a new one. Whatever that means.

Edit : IIRC, that has happened before, with Star Trek TOS. German version was different from the standard version.
Edit2 : did a search - I must have mixed up sth there. Disregard it. ;)
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: an0n on January 17, 2005, 03:58:00 pm
Well, the first part of Kobol's Last Gleaming certainly kicked some serious ****in' ass.

Attempted suicide, a Base Star, gratuitous Starbuck-nudity, death, carnage, mayhem, Six bouncing Baltar's head off a mirror......
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: mitac on January 17, 2005, 04:23:29 pm
Well, I guess it's another few hours before I can watch this one. :blah:
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: WMCoolmon on January 17, 2005, 04:29:51 pm
Today: 33/water again. :blah:

Edit: Also, MP3s are crap for the music, especially using Quicktime :p The UK theme's a little bit better, although neither really seem outstanding.

I'm waiting on that BSG mod too, IceFire. ;)
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: Hunter on January 18, 2005, 10:19:38 am
Bloody hell, Kobals Last Gleaming Part 1 was the better than a whole season of Enterprise.

Does anyone have an MP3 of the US theme music then? Why do your versions always get messed with (edited, cut, etc) - That kinda thing is what determines the life and death of a show! Sad TV suits.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: mitac on January 18, 2005, 04:40:59 pm
Quote
Originally posted by an0n
Well, the first part of Kobol's Last Gleaming certainly kicked some serious ****in' ass.


Finally saw it. Man, you're damn right.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: WMCoolmon on January 18, 2005, 06:47:45 pm
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Originally posted by Hunt Smacker
Does anyone have an MP3 of the US theme music then?


http://homepage.ntlworld.com/deephouse33/Audio/BSGUSIntro.mp3

Doesn't sound quite as bad if you use the MAD plugin for Winamp.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: mitac on January 18, 2005, 07:05:00 pm
It's ugly, nonetheless.
Title: BSG: Episode 1
Post by: WMCoolmon on January 18, 2005, 07:16:17 pm
I was talking sound quality. :p