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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Riptide on January 19, 2005, 03:31:26 pm
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What do you think the answers (just out of curiousity) to the questions posed in FS2? Not that anyone knows what was really gonna happen, but just curious to see what people wanted to happen or thought might happen in continuations. Here's some questions for yah:
1: What happened with Admiral Bosch?
2: Why did Shivans respond to ETAK?
3: How would the Shivan's return in the next game?
4: What are the Shivans, and what is their purpose?
5: Will the humans open a portal to Earth?
6: If so, what do you think they will find?
7: What was the purpose, for the shivan, of the Capellan star explosion?
8: How do Terran/Vasudan relations fare after all the wars?
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This is more from a theoretical storyline kind of sense. Like I said, not expecting anyone to actually have answers. Just wondering what you all thought would make a cool plot.
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You probley won't get that many respones on this subject. Most ideas are reserved for their own campaigns, whitch are kept secret.
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I know, just seeing if anyone else wanted to debate storyline quirks with me. I just am trying to figure out how all those questions could be answered together in one storyline, without being cheesy or what not.
I guess the thing that really bugs me is what happens to Bosch. I can't think of any non-cheesy way they could have brought him back or explained what happened to him.
However, on another note, I always thought it would have been cool if the humans opened the portal to Earth and found everything destroyed, and eventually found out that another subspace node stablized in sol and the shivans came through. So of course you could have the GTVA fighting to win back their homeworld and the Shivans invade into GTVA space.
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Lets see... In my storyline 3 thru 8 is anwsered.
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1: He died of "heart failure"
2: They wanted all the Bosh Beer
3: Through the knossos portal to earth.
4: To steal all the Bosh Beer and to get back at Bosh for spamming the Shivan networks.
5: Yes but it will fail. (see 3)
6: (see 3)
7: They like really big nebulas.
8: The Vasudans grow hungry for Human Headz again and start another war. They could have had fishes but miniture Gollums stoles it from thems......... precisoussss!
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Oh.... my.... god....
That has to be the funniest response I have heard in a long time
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Another thing I thought of is how I perceive the Shivans.
I kinda percieve them as a biological weapon developed by another more ancient species. Possibly a weapon of last resort. As the Halo and the "flood" are described in Halo 2, they were built by the forerunners as a weapon of last resort. So if someone came after the forerunners, the Halos would destroy all lifeforms in the galaxy.
It seems to me that the shivans pose the same sort of scenario, at least thats the way I've seen it. I mean, they have speculated the phisiology of Shivans in both games and have said they dont truly seem like a full life form. What if they are like programed organic robots, designed to wipe out other lifeforms. They could simply have been trained or 'programmed' to search for artificial subspace activity. That would lead them to a sophisticated space faring race and they could wipe them out.
Now maybe their ancient creators used the same wavelengths used in the ETAK project to control, communicate, and maintain them. Maybe the shivans percieved the signal sent by Bosch as their beacon calling them. Or perhaps the shivans once rebelled against their former masters and upon hearing the ETAK signal they searched the vessel for their makers they had not seen in many millenia.
This is the way I always had percieved the shivans since the first game, It's all opinion though, one which most people don't agree with.
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4) The Shivans are a creation that each unit has been cloned many times to produce more of them and then fused with cybernetics parts; and their purpose is to obviously destroy any species that is advanced enough to use subspace, thus preventing a species from getting so advance that the Shivans themselves would be in danger and over-powered and the Shivans feel that they must remain the top of the galactic food chain. In other words, they want to remain the most advanced species and can't risk any advanced species becoming too powerful for them to handle.
I never thought of the shivans actually being a 'thinking' race per say. Personally I think it's more of a horrific and kinda frightening bad guy if they are just destroyer like demons.
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Shivan Manifesto (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,18138.0.html) *points* :rolleyes:
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These details are cited as evidence that the Shivans could not have evolved as the Terran or Vasudan species had, but that they were likely constructed by another entity.
HEY! I was right! Whoopie! Score one for me!!!
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No, Antares simply supports the same idea as you. You won't be "right" until :v: says you are
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Originally posted by Riptide
What do you think the answers (just out of curiousity) to the questions posed in FS2? Not that anyone knows what was really gonna happen, but just curious to see what people wanted to happen or thought might happen in continuations. Here's some questions for yah:
1: What happened with Admiral Bosch?
2: Why did Shivans respond to ETAK?
3: How would the Shivan's return in the next game?
4: What are the Shivans, and what is their purpose?
5: Will the humans open a portal to Earth?
6: If so, what do you think they will find?
7: What was the purpose, for the shivan, of the Capellan star explosion?
8: How do Terran/Vasudan relations fare after all the wars?
1) Bosch is lab food
2) Probably responded to ETAK because it was like a mosquito sending us a signal flare, a cell phone call, and a text message all at once
3) They would return and destroy things...thats what they do
4) Purpose...see answer 3
5) Yes
6) They will find Earth, mostly as they left it, maybe with some political turmoil
7) Capella explosion? Re-arranging subspace? Traveling to another galaxy? Not sure.
8) The Terrans and Vasudans go through their usual bickering and fighting...largely business as usual. Still the common goal of defense.
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to be honest, every one of those questions and more get answered in BWO, Machina Terra, and Origins...(shameless pimpage) but they do.
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I alwasy thought that FS3/expansion would be the terrans returning to Earth and the ancients appearing again.
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Ancients are dead. FS3 was the Vasudans rebelling once Earth was openned, and destroying everything terran. Immediately before being killed off by the Shivans. :p
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so basically it's Raa beats the crap out of everyone but then when carl doesn't get his lunch he decides to have a seafood supper?
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Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
so basically it's Raa beats the crap out of everyone but then when carl doesn't get his lunch he decides to have a seafood supper?
Presumably. But that's when the [V] pirates come in, and kill off the shivans in a massive, climatic, BoE-ish battle of the high spacelanes with everything from Cannonballs, beam cannons, flak guns, angry pirates, screeching shivans and even the odd wet willy or two flying about in between!! To top it off, they all join together to fight a mockingbird at the end! :P
arrr! if anyone be having seafood, it be us Volition pirates, ye hear? Yaaar!!
:P
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Originally posted by Riptide
1: What happened with Admiral Bosch?
2: Why did Shivans respond to ETAK?
3: How would the Shivan's return in the next game?
4: What are the Shivans, and what is their purpose?
5: Will the humans open a portal to Earth?
6: If so, what do you think they will find?
7: What was the purpose, for the shivan, of the Capellan star explosion?
8: How do Terran/Vasudan relations fare after all the wars?
1. Could be dead, could have made contact and offered the Shivans something interesting, not sure.
2. I'd say curiosity more then anything. They weren't expecting to receive any sort of understandable signal.
3. Either we stumble on them again (FS2) or they attack us again. (FS1)
4. What are they? Just another life form IMO. What is their purpose? Well I don't think they have just a purpose, I think their motivation is perhaps one of a xenophobic race. They destroy species that could threaten them in the future.
5. Definitely.
6. Friends or enemies, depending on how things went politically on Earth after loosing the only connection with the rest of the galaxy.
7. Of this I am farely adamant that it was to keep us out. Bosch activated the Knossos which opened a way into space that the Shivans obviously were already sitting in. Destroying Capella was their way of sealing off that opening and telling us to "get the $%@^ out". There may even be a connection with Bosch's contact with the Shivans and their decision to supernova Capella.
Why Capella? Perhaps their methods wouldn't work on Gamma Draconis' star. Perhaps they knew of unstable nodes in Gamma Draconis that they could use or were worried that we could use to re-enter their space.
8. I think they would be strengthened again. The show of coming to gether to once again fight a common enemy in the face of insurmountable odds would boost trust and faith between the two. Especially when together they worked to stop a faction wanting to end peace with the Vasudans. The show of putting so many resources into maintaining peace and all that.
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How are we to know that the Anicents are gone? What if it was all a clever plot to fool the shivans or any other species to think that they were dead. Then just left through a temporary knossos portal?
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1: What happened with Admiral Bosch?
2: Why did Shivans respond to ETAK?
3: How would the Shivan's return in the next game?
4: What are the Shivans, and what is their purpose?
5: Will the humans open a portal to Earth?
6: If so, what do you think they will find?
7: What was the purpose, for the shivan, of the Capellan star explosion?
8: How do Terran/Vasudan relations fare after all the wars?.
1.Experimented on by Shivans and then killed, or possibly returned to the GTVA but withsome Shivan cybernetic things implanter to act as an emissary between the Shivans and the GTVA.
2.Realised that humans can communicate.
3.They want to try and kill us.
4.The Shivans were created by the Ancients as a worker class to do all the nasty stuff that the Ancients didn't want to do. But the Ancients design on the Shivans was too perfect so that the Shivans were superior. The Shivans realised this and exterminated the Ancients and any other species that is clever enough to have subspace travel.
5.Probably.
6.Earth has been annexed by the Shivans when the Earth Fleet created a sort of ETAK device to transmit their surrender and the Shivans just let them live as long as they don't startsubspace travel.
7.Intimidate the GTVA.
8.I think they'll be friends as they have a common enemy; the Shivans.
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1. He became the shivan's new pet monkey, in essence. There's little reason to believe they'd simply kill him. Shivan's are certainly all too happy to kill Terrans for no apparent reason then they were there, but obviously this isn't the case with Bosch.
2. Because they understood the broadcasted message. Bosch's monologues suggest that there was at least a two way communication - and the fact that of the thousands of crew on the Iceni, the Shivans isolated Bosch and a few lieutenants - points that the Shivans managed to get enough info to figure out, at the very least, who was in charge. Humanity has been relatively successful in combating the shivans - and despite how absurb it may seem to us, the Shivans may have been interested in Bosch's offer of an alliance because they need the help. See 7.
3. From subspace. It's a big universe, and humanity isn't exactly on the forefront of hyper advanced subspace technology. They'll just show up from somewhere we didn't know about.
4. The shivans are a race from another dimension. They have no 'purpose', any more then Humanity of Vasudanity has a 'purpose'.
5. Yes. Though, if you're expecting anybody there to be a big help, you're probably vastly overestimating the amount of resources left on earth.
6. Excellent recycling technology and Alpha 1 the 1sts great-great-grandchildren.
7. The shivans didn't cause the actual explosion. Something else is causing stars to explode, primarily in areas which have seen large amount of subspace travel and high energy discharges. The shivans sole purpose there was the emination of the subspace field, which prevented Capella from taking the whole flippin universe with it. Including the shivans own home dimension.
They don't know what's causing it, but this isn't the first time the shivans have preserved the universe from a sun about to become something much less pleasant. Lacking a real cause, even after millenia of investigating, they do what they can - mitigate the explosions through subspace technology and destroy any uppity races statistically likely to cause more explosions through their trigger happy ways.
This problem is part of the reason why the Shivans were interested in Bosch and not his crew. Humanity has shown great adaptibility, and this particular human had shown great initiative and insight, and thus might help them finally figure out why the universe is breaking. By this point, they're probably happy to take whatever help they can get. Unfortunately, the majority of his crew were NTF, and thus fit the 'trigger happy idiots likely to break the universe even worse' mold, and paid the price.
8. Essential full integration within 30 years. While still distinctly different species, they are socially one organization - and instead of having racial tension, go back to the old standby of blowing each other up for purely political reasons.
Assuming all of this is wrong - and it probably is, my only other guess is:
1) Two words. Anal Probe.
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Originally posted by Rson
4.The Shivans were created by the Ancients as a worker class to do all the nasty stuff that the Ancients didn't want to do. But the Ancients design on the Shivans was too perfect so that the Shivans were superior. The Shivans realised this and exterminated the Ancients and any other species that is clever enough to have subspace travel.
Not what the monologes say in Freespace 1. The Anicents never created a race.
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Originally posted by Riptide
1: What happened with Admiral Bosch?
2: Why did Shivans respond to ETAK?
3: How would the Shivan's return in the next game?
4: What are the Shivans, and what is their purpose?
5: Will the humans open a portal to Earth?
6: If so, what do you think they will find?
7: What was the purpose, for the shivan, of the Capellan star explosion?
8: How do Terran/Vasudan relations fare after all the wars? [/B]
1.) Bosh is dead
2.) Maybe the Shivan thought that the Iceni was a Shivan Ship
3.) Like in Freespace 1 and 2.. through a new unknown portal.
4.) They want to control their old territory again ;)
5.) I think so
6.) They find a System in Chaos.. maybe like Inferno.
7.) See 4.
8.) After the NTF Rebellion it should be better as before of it.
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1: What happened with Admiral Bosch? - They kill him.
2: Why did Shivans respond to ETAK? - They kill us.
3: How would the Shivan's return in the next game? - OMG!!! FS3?!?!?!
4: What are the Shivans, and what is their purpose? - To collect the most Pokemon cards---EVER!
5: Will the humans open a portal to Earth? - Yes, and they will find it completely destroyed.
6: If so, what do you think they will find? - Pluto Nash. He will rule all.
7: What was the purpose, for the shivan, of the Capellan star explosion? - To bake cookies. BIG cookies.
8: How do Terran/Vasudan relations fare after all the wars? - They make sweet sweet lovin.
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Originally posted by High Max
Do you really think that if the Shivans blew up an inhabited system that the GTVA would learn their lesson for trespassing as effectively as learning it by the Shivans wiping out a heavily populated system like Capella?
No no no. Not to teach a lesson but to physically deny access. Look at the starmap. By supernovaing Capella they cut off access through Capella, into Gamma Draconis, the nebula, and beyond.
And by saying about unstable nodes, I was referring to the fact that the Shivans CAN use them. By collapsing in Capella rather then Gamma Draconis, perhaps they knew there were unstable nodes that THEY could use.
If they had collapsed Gamma Drac, those nodes would have been inside space where Terrans and Vasudans could cause trouble (hey we did blow up a few ships, that can become annoying even to a superspecies). By supernovaing Capella, they ensure that anything in that system is theirs and theirs alone.
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Originally posted by HeX
No no no. Not to teach a lesson but to physically deny access. Look at the starmap. By supernovaing Capella they cut off access through Capella, into Gamma Draconis, the nebula, and beyond.
And by saying about unstable nodes, I was referring to the fact that the Shivans CAN use them. By collapsing in Capella rather then Gamma Draconis, perhaps they knew there were unstable nodes that THEY could use.
If they had collapsed Gamma Drac, those nodes would have been inside space where Terrans and Vasudans could cause trouble (hey we did blow up a few ships, that can become annoying even to a superspecies). By supernovaing Capella, they ensure that anything in that system is theirs and theirs alone.
Of course, the GTVa had already begun closing the nodes to Capella themselves...........
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The Shivans like to be sure of things.
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1. read Singh's fanfic in the Art forum :thepimp:
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Originally posted by redsniper
1. read Singh's fanfic in the Art forum :thepimp:
I think the fallowing happens:
Humanity finaly gets home.
Evil man starts war for earth.
He is killed.
GTVA gets named somthing elss.
Humanity runs into the Shivans for the last time.
Shivans attack earth.
Humanity stops them killing their nomad fleet.
The rest is history.