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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Omniscaper on January 21, 2005, 03:15:22 am
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I need a break from Trek (don't we all). Can you guess what I'm building?
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/omniscaper/WIPS/Vwip.jpg)
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/omniscaper/WIPS/Vwip2.jpg)
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Cool, a Colonial Viper
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Some updates... Added rear fuselage details and engine parts.
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/omniscaper/WIPS/Vwip3.jpg)
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/omniscaper/WIPS/Vwip4.jpg)
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/omniscaper/WIPS/Vwip5.jpg)
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BSG MOD!
Well, I can hope...
Sweet model, there. :yes:
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Added rudimentary wing templates.
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/omniscaper/WIPS/Vwip6.jpg)
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/omniscaper/WIPS/Vwip7.jpg)
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/omniscaper/WIPS/Vwip8.jpg)
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Pah, I'm the only one who could never get Max6 to work :doubt:
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You peeps think 2889 polys too much?
Heres a fun crossover to end the day with.... need sleep now. 8:00 AM!!!!!
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/omniscaper/WIPS/Viperfun.jpg)
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Looks good, though I like the original version better.
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Looks excellent, as always Omni :D
anything over >1k polys for a fighter is a bit much actually....
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"This is Vansen, we got vipers! Jink Jink!"
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I agree with Singh here, lovely model, but I tend to find 600-1000 is about right for fighters, though I suppose you could have a 1000 poly Lod1 and use this from below 50m or so?
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for SCP? more like 2000-2500. 2889 is a bit much, but still playable.
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Well, I glady use 3000 polys per fighter, coz my PC can handle that easily :p Do I need any other reason? :D
After all, lods are there for a reason, and the first one should come fairly close with the ships I do ( that said, I never provide tbls, so that's up to the modder, granted ).
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Originally posted by Singh
Looks excellent, as always Omni :D
anything over >1k polys for a fighter is a bit much actually....
:nervous:
Just you wait till i get back......
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LOL Well, my card can handle the extra weight of very high poly Lod 0's, but if theres one thing I hate, it's Doom 3 syndrome, where you have a 'normal' framerate and a 'in-combat' frame-rate...
If the two are different enough to be easily divisible like that, then it sort of ruins gameplay for me, after all, if anything, I'd err on the side of lower poly models for the sake of smoother high-action gameplay. Imagine that Battle of Endor game, and how unimportant it was that the ships were 150 poly flat-shaded?
It's all down to personal preference, but that's my thoughts on the matter ;)
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Raa Syndrome, eh?
:p
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Yeah, it means he'll never finish it.......
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Isn't that, in essence, Nico syndrome? :p
And you just wait, and I'll get NH his boilerplate...
It's in one of these folders here somewhere *searches*
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Originally posted by Flipside
LOL Well, my card can handle the extra weight of very high poly Lod 0's, but if theres one thing I hate, it's Doom 3 syndrome, where you have a 'normal' framerate and a 'in-combat' frame-rate...
I guess it´s all hanging on individual systems, isn´t it? My system can handle the load, and so i rather look at ships with a tintsy bitsy more than 10 polys. Because a few people have lowsy systems, should all of us eat out of the smaller bowl?
Perhaps the SCP guys can fix this, by entering a new code line where people with slow systems can choose to use LOD 1 as their lower poly LOD 0. How hard would it be to implement that?
Those with fast systems would run the game on full detail, while slower system users would use the model´s LOD1 as their primary LOD 0. It´s just an idea.
But i still think we should always aim higher, aim at higher detail in making our models, than the other way around. It is very rare these days, to find a gamer with a system that can´t handle a few more polys in a 5 year old game. Why should the majority of us gamers suffer because a few guys can´t handle the extra load?
:blah:
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We have a detail slider in the options for that, y'know.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
We have a detail slider in the options for that, y'know.
Then that settles it, doesn´t it? Why should modellers cut down on the detail, if individual players can do that, depending on each individual system?
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But that requires modelers to make many different LODs for each model. Otherwise, everyone gets to use LOD0.
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I mean no offense Raa. I was refering to your last forum topic reguarding your need to jump different projects at once.
I just cant concentrate on Trek models 24/7. Out of mental break down and recent Battlestar Galactica caze (EXCELLENT show BTW) I decided to start and FINISH modeling the Viper mkII all in one shot. I can't stand being on a singular project for extended periods of time.
Its funny though reguarding you people's posts about polygon count excessiveness. When I finished the Hammerhead at 800 poly's I hear complaints about it being too little. I go spontaneously psycho for 8 hours and dish out a 2800 poly Viper and I still see the complaints. I can't win can I? Oh well, can't please everyone Either way i feel good. Thats my second home brew model. I feel skilled again.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
We have a detail slider in the options for that, y'know.
Yeah but for some people sliding that control down a notch is like admitting they've got a small dick or something :)
Actually the detail slider only becomes useful once everything is high poly. Otherwise low poly models starting at LOD1 are going to look really ugly.
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Originally posted by Raa
Isn't that, in essence, Nico syndrome? :p
That was low :p
To my defense, I'll say that everything I did died when I started needing help from other people :p
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Judging by the way Nic and Raa are sparring, perhaps i should count my blessings that I'm flying solo. ;)
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Originally posted by Nico
That was low :p
To my defense, I'll say that everything I did died when I started needing help from other people :p
Heh, I don't have that excuse, as I can do it all by myself, but prefer not to... :nervous:
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Originally posted by Omniscaper
I mean no offense Raa. I was refering to your last forum topic reguarding your need to jump different projects at once.
Heh, yeah.
Ares -> Losna -> Latest WIP
Not to mention the fighter or two that I've made for TVWP in between.
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Originally posted by Raa
Heh, I don't have that excuse, as I can do it all by myself, but prefer not to... :nervous:
No matter how many times I tried, I never could fred correctly, and, well, that was the end of it every time, when it came to making missions...
No matter how I look at it, I'm only good at making solo mods like a ship. Shame, the plot of OTT was really good imho.
Gah, it's been more than a year since I have last written down those 3 cursed letters :doubt:
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That looks fraggin' awesome!
How long did it take you???
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Well I can tell you that from pic 1 to last pic, it took him 4 hours :p
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Originally posted by Nico
No matter how many times I tried, I never could fred correctly, and, well, that was the end of it every time, when it came to making missions...
No matter how I look at it, I'm only good at making solo mods like a ship. Shame, the plot of OTT was really good imho.
Gah, it's been more than a year since I have last written down those 3 cursed letters :doubt:
I don't like fredding. I'm sure I can make a mission. And it'd be halfway decent, but I absolutely hate doing it.
And there's nothing wrong with standalone mods. :p
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I'm taking a very simple viewpoint; I won't release a single ****ing thing ever if I find myself unable to get help when I decide I need it - I'll just post piccies instead.
:)
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I tried that: doesn't work :p
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I wanted to know how long it would take me to make a basic Viper, so i went and opened TS. After about 2 hours, this came out:
(http://images5.theimagehosting.com/viper1.jpg)
(http://images5.theimagehosting.com/viper2.jpg)
And don´t worry Omniscaper, i have no intention of highjacking your thread. The Viper was just for fun, i don´t plan on taking it any further than this. I just wanted to see how hard it would be to build one from scratch.
:nod:
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Nice omni, had hull plates and then the Viper will look incredible !
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Tanx ppl. The pictures have the time on them. The first one was 4 hours into it already. The joy of having the actually reference pictures just fed my OCD.
Swampthing, Viper, 2 hours........ in TS!!!?? You get a gold star and some cookies. You built it in Truespace and that in itself is quite a feat in my book. Hate TS with a passion. You should have made a Cylon raider instead so mine got something to play with. I'll time you..... begin... NOW... =)
It probably would have been smarter of me to just build the darn thing straight from memory to get it built faster. Without the reference pics my obsessive aligning and strategic polygon placement and vertice planning would not have consumed my OCD. Then adjust it accordingly afterward using the pics.
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BTW, do the original Viper from the original series and the (old) Viper MK II in the new series look the same? I just wonder...
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*wants a Battle Star Galactica mod*
:nervous:
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Am I the only one who hates that fighter? No disrespect to you Omni - it's very well done - but it's a frkin ugly ship. It's entirely unattractive. Just :ick:....
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Originally posted by Falcon
*wants a Battle Star Galactica mod*
:nervous:
There is one, y'know. It's a bit old now, but still.....
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You could get Starshatter and wait for DemcoclesX to finish the BSG mod there too.
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
Am I the only one who hates that fighter?
Apparentlly so.
I love it. The Viper was my first dream ship, ever since i first watched the show, back in the 1980´s.
;)
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
Am I the only one who hates that fighter? No disrespect to you Omni - it's very well done - but it's a frkin ugly ship. It's entirely unattractive. Just :ick:....
nose cockpit stuff
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You aren't. I never liked Viper's design, looks too sporty for me.
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I personally go from 800-1200 polys for a fighter....
I can go higher, but I don't have an uber graphics card and neither do most other people..
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Lol, For me, work on texture it's a very hard work.
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I prefer Buck Roger's fighter design myself...
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Originally posted by Raa
I don't like fredding. I'm sure I can make a mission. And it'd be halfway decent, but I absolutely hate doing it.
And there's nothing wrong with standalone mods. :p
pfft....what's wrong with FREDding? :P
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Who cares about polies? Release it already! LODs are there for a reason .:p
*Overclocks his GF440MX and melts down his 200w power supply*
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
Who cares about polies? Release it already! LODs are there for a reason .:p
*Overclocks his GF440MX and melts down his 200w power supply*
THATS the spirit!!!
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Nice. ...and nice polygon count. High polycounts are fine as long as they're not wasted polys ;)
Texture mapping is going to make or break this model though... Please use something highres like 2048x2048... please...
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I want a Stargate (Effect)and the Draconia and an Earth Thunder Fighter we have permission to use..
This was me messing around with a FL ship...
http://img49.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img49&image=BuckRogers.jpg
Remeber the last starfighter? (from homeworld)
http://img103.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img103&image=LSF.jpg
again NOT a mod, just screwing around...
NIce work Omni, looks liek you'll have a fs2 one ready before Damocles... (still duplication of effort though) make a cylon for him maybe???
In case some of you new people didn;t know IP Andrews and a few others (killfrenzy I think) are working on upgrading the old mod.
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
Am I the only one who hates that fighter? No disrespect to you Omni - it's very well done - but it's a frkin ugly ship. It's entirely unattractive. Just :ick:....
No, you're not. Well, I don't hate it, but I don't find anything particularly attarctive in that design either, to be honest.
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Well, the original viper design that the models were made from was made with three toilet roll tubes a Pen gift box and a few other bits. so really, the rear end of a Viper is just greebled Andrex, but it's like the Spitfire in a way, it's a perky little ship, and it has character ;)
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I was hoping this would get Damoclesx's attention and release his early. I guess now I have to go ALL THE WAY. Its been awhile since I've textured something from scratch.
Sorry homies, this ViperII deserves all 2880 polys. I didn't see anyone complain about poly counts with Bob's Hercules or the Ares and all the new cockpit implementaions. So whoever is still using Ati Rage 3d's, Voodoos, and Riva TNT's are outa luck if they want smooth 60fps. Word of advice.... UPGRADE!!!
I don't have the time to rework this model or to create LOD's for the little people.
:p
Texturing and damage modeling will consume the rest of my time for this project.
The Cylon Raider is next.
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Damoclesx is no longer with us, though. He says he's got a job making his meshes professionaly for a real game... so I doubt he'll see this...
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What!? Damoclesx!!!!
Damn that Starshatter. I don't care if its engine is getting a DX9 overhaul, or has atmospheric capabilities.... the game sucks. Freespace will forever RULE!!!! I hope this "Ferrium" project takes off and ***** slaps Starshatter into its proper place.... under my boot.
Thats cool, DamoclesX got hired as a professional 3d modeller. Paid work, thats cool!!! I'm really happy for him................
ARGH!!!! I wasted three *#%ucking years of my college life in traditional fine arts just to find out they won't teach me how to survive as one. Now I wish I had enrolled in Computer Art & Design instead. Those dudes are learning practical (& in demand) COMMERICIAL art skills like 3d modelling, texturing, web design, etc. They got practical training in their digital craft and they held job fairs for potential job placement in animation studios or videogame desgin companies!
My Fine art department taught touchy feely ways of analyzing and exploring the mental process of art development in an art historical context. It was nothing but a 4 year PSYCHOLOGICAL ART THERAPY SESSION!!!! What did I learn since I first stepped foot in that school? HOW TO BS MYSELF into thinking I can really survive in the art world if I stay true to myself and my soul vision! They've been building up my personal art bubble for 3 years now. My art was encouraged, nurtured, flattered,.....
THE BUBBLE HAS POPPED!!! They forgot to mention that the BUBBLE could only be sustained inside their school!!!! It will not put food in my fridge, it will not payfor the school tuition and 85,000 dollars of loans I took out to pay it.
I guess they forgot include instruction on practical skills on how to be a self-promoting businessman. They also failed to inform us students that without Mommy amd Daddy's trustfund, we cannot survive in the fine art circles without conforming with the blue bloods' art trends!!! #*(%&^#(&$(&@#@ Can you say ASS KISSING lifestyle!!!!?
They TAUGHT ME HOW TO THINK LIKE AN ARTISTS BUT NOT HOW TO SURVIVE AS AN ARTIST!!!!
LIES, Half truths, and DECEPTION!!!!!
::takes out razor and rolls up sleeve::
If I had spent my last 3 years in a commercial art discipline, I could have modelled and textured CG stuffs without breaking a sweat!!! wait a minute....
Oh yes the Colonial Viper MKII!!! Went off on a tangeant there! LOL :)
So can anyone point my to some free online tutorials on how to create proper UV coordinates and layering weathering effects on a texture. You know, digital art stuffs that painter FINE ARTISTS like myself would never consider if I were showing in a gallery. Time to get to texturing work.....
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We're here for you Omni.... (that's all I got , how about the rest of you guys?)
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I reworked the engine mesh and polygon count to 1500. Behold the CHUNKY engine!!! Happy now. Or should I keep shaving. I shave anymore, it will get completely neutered.
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/omniscaper/WIPS/Vwip10.jpg)
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/omniscaper/WIPS/Vwip9.jpg)
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Whoot, you are lucky. My final X Wing takes 5500 poly...
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I hope you've got the unshaven version. I'd say get this under 1000 and call it LOD1. People are still used to STL poly limits, and I really don't think ~2000 is a problem for a fighter up-close.
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*Overclocks his GF6600GT video card and slightly warms up his jury-rigged 300w PSU*
Bring it on. :p