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Off-Topic Discussion => Arts & Talents => Topic started by: an0n on January 24, 2005, 09:01:05 pm
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(http://www.penguinbomb.com/images/darkagecard.jpg)
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(http://www.penguinbomb.com/images/an0ncard.jpg)
And I've made the template easier to edit for different colours and people and whatnot.
Opinions?
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:lol:
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wow an0n just wow
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I like the avatars on the left.
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That's great! :lol: Do more!
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lol.
Do both sides of the card.
The other should have the HLP logo and "Gotta collect 'em all!"
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There's a thing. I need a design for the back.
*finds that HLP logo PNG*
And I can expand the logo column [to both sides], on a per-person basis.
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Or just expand the left column.
BTW, did that picture at any point originate from a photo of yourself?
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Yes.
But it's heavily distorted, so don't bother trying to PS it back to clearness.
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hmmmm...interesting, quite interesting indeed :drevil:
Just a silly question, but will there be a HLP Original - FRED deck for this? :drevil:
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Sounds like a challenge An0n... :D
*Boots up PS* ... :devil:
muhahaha...
Edit: Query, do you have any facial hair?
Moustache or beard? Side burns?
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Yes.
Anyways:
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/images/cardback.jpg)(http://www.penguinbomb.com/images/an0ncard.jpg)
Any good?
EDIT: Hmmm. I think I need to adjust the colouring some....
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There, that's better.
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an0n......you know........that simply kicks ass! :yes: :D
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lol. Looking good.
I'm still working away on recreating your face btw...
Edit: And so as I leave to goto sleep.
I leave you with a possible vision of what an0n might look like if he wore glasses, had half his face melted off, and grew a hitler mustouche...
(http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/tap/grug/an0n.jpg)
:p
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Hmmmm.
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/images/cardback.jpg)(http://www.penguinbomb.com/images/cardbackb.jpg)
Blank for normal cards, Ltd for specials?
Ltd for all?
Ltd for none?
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Who would the specials be? admins?
Or maybe action cards?
eg. an0n getting banz0red, Setekh adding highlights?
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Special things and people.
Like "Hack Admin", "Database Deletion", "Fattony/Rane/an0n" alt-nick card, Dark, Plasma, Todd-O-Love, etc etc.
Then shiny and/or photomorph cards would be Special Edition.
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lol.
Maybe some wildcards too?
"Banz0r" and "Gamespy servers Crash" etc
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I'ma try and do it like the STCCG - with Interrupts, Missions, Dilemmas, People, Ships, Equipment and whatnot.
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Hehehe kewl.
BTW the likeness of that image of you is uncanny is it not?
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No. Looks nothing like me. Which is precisely why I distorted the original image before overlaying the skull.
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That's nice! Which members do you make cards about?
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I'm thinking of actually making that little green dot next-to Veteran Troll mean something.
Maybe the board where the person first showed up.
VBB - Green
HLP - Red
VWBB - Blue
WS - White
And I'm gonna add some badges for the VBB, WS and VWBB too.
If I ever manage to knock up enough cards, I might even get a few dozen sets printed out and hock 'em as prizes and/or merchandise on here and NW.
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Originally posted by TopAce
That's nice! Which members do you make cards about?
Anyone noteworthy.
I'll probably start with the VBB vets and work my way forward from there.
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Try not to be too insulting, this looks like a laugh but there's no point pissing people off for the sake of it.
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In theory, I think I can get 100 packs of 40-50 cards (all identical, so they'd be like 'Starter Decks') knocked up, sell them for £5-7 a pop (not certain on the printing price yet), make a good game, cover my costs and it not be too much hassle.
And I was thinking of putting 52 cards to a Starter Deck and making them double as real playing cards - stick a little 5 of diamonds in the corner of the photo or something. Nothing intrusive, but something easy to check at a glance.
I've already added that "Tony Hart - Nov 2001 - etc etc" line so they can double as Top Trumps cards (highest value wins).
Hmmm.
*posts a thread about it in HL*
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Try not to be too insulting, this looks like a laugh but there's no point pissing people off for the sake of it.
The only insults will be for members of the Troll and Banned decks.
And I doubt the trolls will care.
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Kode is a ****ing genius.
Instead of Diamonds, Clubs, Spades, Hearts - I'm having Terrans, Vasudans, Shivans, Ancients.
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And we can't forget the special cards, which allows the players to draw cards from a deck and other crap. *laughs at the thought of a possible Todd-o-Love card*
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Originally posted by an0n
Yes.
But it's heavily distorted, so don't bother trying to PS it back to clearness.
I translate that with "oh please don't try!!!", but yeah, can't bother.
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[v] could have there own special, insanely hi-power special cards :P
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Shinies.
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Originally posted by an0n
Kode is a ****ing genius.
Instead of Diamonds, Clubs, Spades, Hearts - I'm having Terrans, Vasudans, Shivans, Ancients.
if your doing a Playing card game that would be pretty cool.
*Feels something dark and forbiding...*
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So what would the rule be, photos, drawings or whatever the hell you want?
Also, there should be a place for a memorable quote, such as "I always thought the plural of Penis was Government...." ---- Flipside (taken from your sig), which would be user-selectable, and a "natural enemy" (Lib and Kaz, Stealth and Razor etc).
...just thinking aloud here.
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it just occured to me how many people I hate on these forums. and I had even managed to forget about razor, who btw doesn't like me :(
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Kewl :)
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Razor hated everyone. Remember how he left hoping that we'd all die?
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Anyway, here's what I was thinking for the 'playing card' aspect:
http://www.penguinbomb.com/images/an0ncardb.jpg
A species-relevant logo (in either blue or hi-grey) with the number or name in red over it.
It's all I can fit without disrupting any existing elements. It also, unfortunately, eliminates the possibility of a second column of project badges.
EDIT:
Added some standard Strength/Intelligence/Power ratings:
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/images/an0ncardc.jpg)
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You actually like the evil guy from Terminator 2.
And what font are you using?
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Tahoma, Fixed System, System.
All kinds-a-crap.
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lol.
If you were going to try and make a profit out of them though I don't doubt there is copywrite issues somewhere in there... :p
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HLP is copywriten? :wtf:
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No but the Freespace side of stuff would be.
IE the FS2 logo, the terms vasuden and shivan etc etc.
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HLP, HardLight Productions, et al including the logo are all the copyright of Steak & Thunder. Copyright is an implied right.
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I've got a lot of experience tweaking and designing CCG cards. I'd like to help with this project. Most of my work can be found here (http://www.misetings.com).
Where can I get the templates??
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It doesn't use the One True Font (Bank Gothic), therefore it stinks.
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Not that your biased or closed minded or anything...
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
It doesn't use the One True Font (Bank Gothic), therefore it stinks.
:yes:
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Originally posted by ZylonBane
It doesn't use the One True Font (Bank Gothic), therefore it stinks.
Yeah, I'd've used it heavily, but I don't have it on this computer for some goddamn reason.
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Originally posted by Annorax
I've got a lot of experience tweaking and designing CCG cards. I'd like to help with this project. Most of my work can be found here (http://www.misetings.com).
Where can I get the templates??
Here (http://www.penguinbomb.com/misc/card.psd) (870Kb)
SO I CAN SELL THEM - COPYRIGHT NOTICE: By using this template in any way shape or form to create any 'works of art', you hereby acknowledge that any created works which result from it's use and/or the use of it's design, and all rights pertaining to the 'works of art', are the sole property (in every respect and regard) of Tony Hart, in perpetuity throughout the universe.
And don't post 'em in here. This is more a design development than a card showcase.
I also reserve the right to refuse the implimentation of any card based on my random whims.
And be warned, I'll be adding and removing things - so you'll need to update any cards you make so they fit the finished design elements.
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I had a stab at making a box:
http://www.penguinbomb.com/images/cardbox.jpg
EDIT: Newer version. Scroll down.
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And the box looks cool too :yes:
What the **** HAPPENED TO MY POST COUNT?????????
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They erased a bunch of closed forums, so you lost all those posts.
I lost about 8K.
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Jesus, an0n, it looks like I've got more posts than you......
Anyway, nice design, but if you do start to print this thing, you might want to make sure you're not using any :V: trademarks or copyright stuff, ya know.....
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make the box look like the back of the card.
just trust me on this.
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I tried it. It doesn't exactly look great.
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Originally posted by an0n
Ltd for all?
Ltd for none?
Ltd for some, Miniature American flags for others.
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pfft american flags.
Have a blue HLP logo deck and a red one. :)
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I would buy a couple for sure if you actually do this. How is it coming by the way?
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The design process - as you can see - continues.
I'm gonna make sure as many people as possible like the design and it's got enough expandability and multi-purposeness to be worth the cash.
I'll talk to the printers about best-rates and start shopping around, once I've finalised the design and done a few different cards.
No point in getting print-quotes if everyone hates the cards.
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How many cards in a deck are you going to include?
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I'm not entirely sure.
Originally, I wanted 52 - to use as playing cards. But that proved to be horrifically expensive in 100-deck runs.
So I've scaled it down to 20-card decks, as I can fit 20 cards on a single A3 sheet for printing. Then get them cut and rounded. All for alot cheaper than getting a 100-run of 'business cards' for each different card.
Like I said though, **** will change depending on what the printers say. They don't offer double-sided printing on super-large sheets as standard. But they might do it as a special order. Which means I could get a whole 52 set printed per sheet, cut and rounded - all for a decent price.
Plus I could keep some full sheets back and hock 'em as special prints.
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Added another flap-label, HLP's address and my e-mail to the box.
(http://www.penguinbomb.com/images/cardboxb.jpg)
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"Virtu...
...is GH3Y!"
ROFL! :lol:
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Yeah, but in a 20 card deck, not everyone who wants one will fit. Anyone know how many actively active forumites there are?
And upload the box PSD (or whatever), so I can take a shot at it.
edit: oh and the link you put up for the card template isn't working........
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IS this just to collect or would you actually play this? I mean 20 cards is NOT a lot of options (ie, MTG gave you 40 card decks (the 15 land didn;t count as it was a needed game mechaninc) plus boosters to suppliment teh strategy and theme building. How many decks would you have to buy to have a playable deck?
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Rictor: It is now.
Anyway - Here (http://www.penguinbomb.com/misc/box.psd) (4MB)
IS this just to collect or would you actually play this? I mean 20 cards is NOT a lot of options (ie, MTG gave you 40 card decks (the 15 land didn;t count as it was a needed game mechaninc) plus boosters to suppliment teh strategy and theme building. How many decks would you have to buy to have a playable deck?
Depending on what the printers say in regard to larger print sheets: For now, it's just a collectible 20-card deck. Though you can still use 'em as Top Trumps cards.
Because of the small size of the run, more cards means proportionally greater pricing. So I'm having a small number of cards per deck so the forumites (who're mostly poor) can cough up enough cash for a pack.
So I'll probably get the 20-card 'collectible' decks done, see how well they sell - then decide if I'ma make a Second Edition Starter Deck with say 30 more cards.
But like I keep saying: If the printer will do me special sheet-runs of entire, larger decks for a decent price, I'll make the decks bigger.
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I'm slowly beginning to entertain the most horrifying idea I've come across since tubgirl...
...giving money to an0n.
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If I do it the easiest way and get X number of cards done in 100 runs, it works out at £3.40 per 10 cards and I have to raise
If I get them done in 250 runs, it works out at: £1.60 per 10 cards
500 runs: £1 per 10 cards
Runs/Packs - Cost Per Card - Total Cost Per Run
100 - 40p - £40
250 - 18p - £47
500 - 12p - £58
So to find out the cost per X-card pack, times the middle number by X, and add 80p for the box.
To find out how much I have to ****ing raise to get them printed, times the 3rd number by X cards per pack and add XRuns
So for a 500 50-card packs, I have to somehow raise £3K to get them printed in the first damn place.
And then there's my added costs of gluing up the flat-cut boxes and putting one of each card in 'em.
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
I'm slowly beginning to entertain the most horrifying idea I've come across since tubgirl...
...giving money to an0n.
Good boy.
And remember, more people buying = cheaper per-pack.
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
I'm slowly beginning to entertain the most horrifying idea I've come across since tubgirl...
...giving money to an0n.
You said it man...
Though I do look forward to proclaiming, not without a certain perverse sense of pride, that it is my money which helped to finance Bondage Tranny Bestiality Vixens 3.
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Originally posted by Rictor
Yeah, but in a 20 card deck, not everyone who wants one will fit. Anyone know how many actively active forumites there are?
And upload the box PSD (or whatever), so I can take a shot at it.
edit: oh and the link you put up for the card template isn't working........
There are on average 20-40 active forumites I believe.
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Which is where my plan hits a snag.
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Hmmm. Now there's an idea.
Corporate sponsorship.
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put a windows logo or a mcdonalds logo where you have the "Hi dumbass" and "Virtu is ghey!" messages
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Originally posted by MatthewPapa
There are on average 20-40 active forumites I believe.
That's all?
Why not just go by post cou... oh yeah, they erased the other forums... :rolleyes:
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Well, as a note of interest, I can get 5000 50-card decks done for £9681.50
And 5000 decent boxes for £467.59.
So if you can find a company that's willing to pay £10,149.09 to have their name plastered all over the 5000 boxes (and maybe a few of the cards, if need be) - we're laughing.
Well, you're laughing. I'm the one who has to fill 5000 ****ing boxes of cards.
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God that'd be a laugh worth the ages.
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Oh and I've e-mailed the printers to see how many cards can physically fit inside the intended box.
I'm hoping it's at least 30, otherwise I'll need to get custom boxes done that're deeper.
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Originally posted by MatthewPapa
There are on average 20-40 active forumites I believe.
I suspect there's more than that... We have, what, about 6 or so Active Admins, 15 - 20+ active Grognards, Plus at the absolute least another 30 or 40 non grognard active members, and these are all very conservative estimates.
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Well, let's assume there's 100 people willing to buy, and let's look at the prices associated to that number:
Boxes are 91p, regardless of the number of cards (so long as they fit)
Cards - Cost
20: £8 + 91p
30: £12 + 91p
40: £16 + 91p
50: £20 + 91p
52: £21 + 91p
Plus a negligable amount for shipping. And assuming I'm adding nothing for spending my time packing up 100 packs of cards.
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Lol.
Can't believe your actually seriously considering doing this.
Why not just post them in digital format, people can download and print their own out?
(Tis what I'd do) :)
Oh and rofl @ "Congraturlations, you've destroyed the box!" lol.
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Hey, I'm game. If you get a whole set of cards done, I'm buying one.
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Just remember, corporate sponsorship = cheaper decks.
So go ***** at GS and see if you can drum anything up.
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BTW: What are you looking at for P&P?
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The cost to get them to me should be negligable.
The cost to get them out to you guys.....**** knows. I'll look into that once I've finished designing all the cards.
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I'm going to do my own, as will anyone capable of it I would imagine.
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Someone started a card game for spacebattles.com and posted a template for the users to copy. I filled it out, but forgot where I put the card jpeg, it's somewhere...
I say make the rules up FIRST then show us the templte needed and then we fill out the card according to guidelines and then poof you got card categories like "admins" "users" and special designations like: "troll" or "lurker" (or are those more like special abilities) see it can get complicated without some sort of Order..
[Can you tell I am Lawful Good?]
"Vorlons? Psshaw, they are uncommited slackers, I bet they never had one Paladin outta the bunch!" - BG Star Dragon
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How many planets does it take to cast "Summon Shivan BBQ Fleet"?
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None. But you'd need maybe 10 SJ Sathanas' in play and an "Explode Capella" card before you could even consider playing it.
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Out of curiosity... How much profit would an0n be making out of this?;)
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Very little, if any. Which is what really ****ing grates me.
On the plus side, I'll end up with some samples of work I can use to maybe get a job doing similar design work. And I'll have a generally successful business venture which I can point to whenever I decide to go get a business loan and go "Look, that **** worked!".
I might try and sell Fattonys.com to the Fattonys Online Casino to get enough cash to get more packs printed. Then I won't have to **** around taking pre-order cash and whatnot.
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On-Hold
I've not decided what to do with the project yet.