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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: deep_eyes on January 25, 2005, 01:28:04 am
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Summon all able men women and children of all ages and faiths to combat to beedy eyed demon of Republican deception! The MPAA STORM is amongst us, and the first warning shots have been fired!
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Our correspondence with the MPAA has been slow, in case you are interested this is our latest reply to their email. This should give you an idea of what's going on.
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Mr. Oppenheimm,
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:12:13 -0500, Oppenheim, Matthew J wrote:
> Dear Mr. Fung:
>
> We are writing to follow up on our prior correspondence. As you know by
> now, we have filed suits against a number of significant BitTorrent
> operators. We continue this correspondence in the hope that we might
> resolve matters with you such that litigation is unnecessary.
Yes we are aware of your lawsuits. Despite the fact that I don't live in the US and the laws MPAA follows does not apply here, it is our intention to cooperate in resolving issues you have, in a reasonable fashion.
> As we have said repeatedly, a significant amount of copyright
> infringement is occurring as a result of your website and tracker.
> Apart from the knowledge you have by virtue of your day to day operation
> of the site and server, we have put you on notice that the infringement
> is occurring. The list of representative works that was attached to our
> notice letter was merely a sample of the infringement occurring on your
> site. We have requested that you stop the infringing conduct
> immediately. That you have automated the process of adding torrents to
> your website is not a defense. You have the ability to review torrents
> before posting them. You also have the ability to search your website
> and review the torrents that are already being distributed. There
> should be little doubt, for example, that "Ocean's Twelve" which is a
> torrent offered on your site is copyrighted and should not be
> distributed. A copyright holder is not obliged to monitor all the
> websites and the servers around the world to police and protect each and
> every work from those who would choose to close their eyes to ongoing
> infringement. It is incumbent on you to distribute only those torrents
> that correspond to files that you know are authorized to be distributed.
You repeatedly mention the "representative" list of works, which serves only to intimidate us as a search service. If you look at the Betamax vs. Universal case, the VCR was not deemed illegal since it is capable of legal use. isohunt.com is a content agnostic search service on indexing torrent links over the net, which is very much capable of legal use. While as a service we can filter content, and that is exactly how we cooperate by filtering identified copyrighted titles, we do not have the man power to manually verify the tens of thousands of torrent links, nor is it even technically possible without a complete list of copyrighted works to filter against. Since you seem to have trouble producing a complete list, a technical difficulty I can understand, you should also understand the same difficulty we have in making your copyrighted works magically disappear... somehow. So instead of calling it a complete list, which seems unfeasible, it should be referred to as a sufficient list. Without it, we cannot help you in filtering your works in our search results.
> Although you have suggested that you would like us to provide an index
> of copyrighted works to which you can refer regarding the torrents on
> your website, we simply do not find it credible that you are unable to
> identify as copyrighted material the many popular motion picture titles
> currently referenced on your website. To the extent you need further
> guidance, the United States Copyright Office maintains records of every
> motion picture and television program in the United States that has a
> copyright registration. Additionally, on-line databases provide
> information regarding who distributes motion pictures and television
> programs. You are already aware of at least one such source, the
> website imdb.com, to which you provide your users deep-links for motion
> pictures.
Read above. According to normal procedures of DMCA takedown, it is your responsibility to identify what maybe infringing your copyright, and then we will comply. Your notion that we should know every title MPAA owns, while you have difficulty producing such yourself, is absurd. Links to websites such as imdb.com is user submitted, while torrent links may be user submitted or indexed from other sources on the internet. We do not moderate this process, we don't have the resource to do so and it is not our policy.
> Finally, it continues to appear to be true that you have addressed the
> infringement of which we have put you on notice. Indeed, you have not
> removed those torrents that we specifically gave you notice. Your
> response that you should not have to undertake any action to address the
> ongoing infringement until we have agreed to the "arrangement" you have
> offered is not acceptable. You have an obligation to address the
> ongoing infringement. You may not offer less protection than we have a
> right to expect, and then condition that lesser protection on our
> agreeing that you should have to do nothing more.
It is not an arrangement, it is information necessary for us to cooperate. Unless filtering against your "representative" list is sufficient, which we then can use to filter to your satisfaction, please provide us with a list that is sufficient.
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Cheers,
Gary
isoHunt.com
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have fun.
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So, is MPAA going to try bashing outside US?
I think they will get an hard time there, since they are most likely thootless.
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Aaw, looking at the MPAA bash outside is like seeing a parapalegic baby build a sand castle. All thrashing screaming and rolling in the sand, but nothing ever gets done.
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Someone should be placed by Jack Valenti's ear whispering "You are still mortal."
For everyone's sake.
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That's the MPAA chatting with who, exactly?
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I'm assuming Gary Fung of IsoHunt.com.
Theres nothing like seeing a billion-dollar corporation throrwing a tantrum to realise why they are finally sinking in their own bull****.
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Originally posted by Nico
That's the MPAA chatting with who, exactly?
Cheers,
Gary
isoHunt.com
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PirateBay has the right idea. Just throw their bull**** back at them, and post it on your website for everyone's amusement.
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Noooooo? but what's that, isohunt? What's the big deal with them being targeted?
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they're a search engine for torrents. So you don't have to check every site out there. Think Google.
edit: I think they have also recently started their own tracker.
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Originally posted by Rictor
PirateBay has the right idea. Just throw their bull**** back at them, and post it on your website for everyone's amusement.
yes. anakata's a cool guy. he's slightly more abusive, though :D
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 04:14:46 -0100 (GMT)
From: anakata
To: Peter Pehrson - enya.com
Subject: Re: For your information
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Peter Pehrson - enya.com wrote:
> Fredrik Neij
> PRQ Inet / SE 969700-4027
> Box 1206, SE 11479 Stockholm, Sweden
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> FOR YOUR INFORMATION
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Dear Fredrik Neij,
>
> it has come to our attention that a number of our works and trade marks now
> appear on your own website.
>
>
> http://thepiratebay.org/torrents-details.php?id=3215747
> &hit=1
> Enya A Box Of Dreams - 886 transfers
>
> http://thepiratebay.org/torrents-details.php?id=3252776
> &hit=1
> Enya - The Celts - 291 transfers
>
> http://thepiratebay.org/torrents-details.php?id=3252777
> &hit=1
> Enya - Watermark - 316 transfers
>
> http://thepiratebay.org/torrents-details.php?id=3230233
> &hit=1
> Enya - The Celts - 386 transfers
>
> As these albums are under Copyright and no EU or Swedish law allows
> unauthorized distribution of this ripped music, you are in violation of our
> Copyright.
>
> You are additionally in violation of Swedish and EU law as you are violating
> our Trade Mark by listing Trade Mark protected names (protected under
> Swedish law) on your web page without permission.
>
> You have 72 hours to completely remove the above links.
>
> After this you will receive 1 (ONE) legal note from GrayZone. You will
> receive no further notices.
>
> Also please note that making this email public or ridiculing it will result
> in immediate legal action and we are also contacting RipeNCC for suspension.
>
>
> Regards
> Peter Pehrson
> aigle music / warner music international
Dear whatever-you-are,
thank you for providing us and our users with such great entertainment.
I'm not talking about Enya (hey, Enya ****ing sucks), but instead of your
nonsensical email.
You have
- confused us with our ISP
- no knowledge whatsoever about BitTorrent
- no knowledge whatsoever of the appliciable laws (trademark or copyright)
- made very entertaining threats (hey, go ahead and contact RIPE NCC,
please, I beg you)
You have scored 10 out of 10 points on our Legal Threats Entertainment
scale. You win the grand prize: A lifetime of ridicule on our legal
threats section (http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/) !
Congratulations!
Please also note that I'm not currently out of toilet paper, so you may
wait a while before sending legal papers.
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> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, and any attachments thereto,
> is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain legally
> privileged and/or confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use,
> disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the
> intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and permanently
> delete all copies of the original message.
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Yeah, right...
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heh? That's cool, gonna have to check this.
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[color=66ff00]You guys forget, most countries have their own version of the MPAA, the UK has BPA and FACT.
Anyhow, I've gone on at length about how the MPAA is doomed to lose this battle but you can better believe that like a wounded predator their death is going to be a fight; they'll do as much damage as possible before snuffing it.
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Torrent Reactor is accepting donations...
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ROFLMAO :lol: The Pirate bay is stationed in Sweden it seems. I've been looking over the Swedish mails, I translated this for a friend (I suck at Swedish so it might not be _the most accurate_ translation, but this cracked me up to no end)
> du tror tydligen att du är nån välvillig robin hood.
> istället sitter du och tjänar pengar på små independentbolags
> produktioner och snuvar i detta fall en fattig på hans ev vidkommande
> royalties.
Buhuu. Snyft. Vad hemskt. Nu kommer jag grata mig till somns pa kvallarna
for att mina anvandare "stjal" fran fattiga.
Dags att byta bransch om din affarsmodell ar baserad pa att ta betalt for
sma plast/aluminiumskivor? McDonalds soker visst stadare och burgarflippare...
Translation:
Guy Complaining: "You probably think you're some kind of Robin Hood. Instead, you just sit and make money off of independed corporations' productions and ignore a poor guy that "deserves his royalties" (think that is as correct as i can translate it, it's either that or "ignoring a guy who has it [it being money] coming to him)"
"Pirate Bay Reply: Buuhuu. Sad. So terrible. Now I'm gonna cry myself to sleep for all the nights that my users "steal" from the poor. Time to change the buisness you're in, if your (resume i think) is based on getting paid for small plastic/aluminium records. McDonalds is looking for cleaners and burger flippers..."
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Yes all said and true, but the thing is, most countries do not have "UPLOAD" laws combating this form of P2P sharing because the UPLOAD market is up until recently UNTAPPED. so now everyone and there mother is trying to fill in the wholes the Bram Cohen has made with BT.
see its about the god damn money, so u know theyre going to do whatever it takes to attempt to Comercialize a form of Bit Torrent the way they did Napster.
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Too bad it's not going to work because Bit Torrent was pretty much open source since the start.
With the other clients (and there are a good many of them), I don't think we have anything to fear from that front.
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Originally posted by Maeglamor
[color=66ff00]You guys forget, most countries have their own version of the MPAA, the UK has BPA and FACT.
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As i've said before in this board, here in Holland we have BREIN (Dutch for 'brain'... the irony :rolleyes: ). They lost several cases in court over disclosure of private information from the ISPs and they have no legal powers at all.
The funny thing is, our ISPs counter-sued them for demanding private information to be open to them. That would be a severe infringement of personal privacy. And the court settled in favour of the ISPs :D The irony is great in this one. :D
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Suddenly I wish I was Dutch.
It could be the stereotype of big breasted women... but...
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What exactly are the troops going to do once they're rallied?
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Shag.
Constantly. Someone dropped that yank sex bomb.
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*yawn*
What is MPAA, again? I'm in Poland, you see, I don't care for those silly American organisations.:p
Hell, I don't even download stuff, [unless you count HOTU] so I don't even have a reason to start caring, I'm just curious.:p
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Btw, I like Enya :nervous:
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I am now even more annoyed by the Christian groups who seek to be morality police. They're supporting the MPAA and the RIAA.
ZDNet (http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5548781-2.html), paragraph 10
"proliferation of anonymous, decentralized, unfiltered and untraceable peer-to-peer networks that facilitate crimes against children and that frustrate law enforcement efforts to detect and investigate these crimes."
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Eh, they have a point. The Internet is designed to allow, not restrict, the flow of information, and all kinds of more serious illegalities can be safely planned or conducted online.
Freedoms are like that, unfortunately.
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Originally posted by kode
yes. anakata's a cool guy. he's slightly more abusive, though :D
I've never met or talked to him, but just from reading that e-mail, I like him already. :D
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hehe that pirates bay email remindes me of some of the legal threats on somthingawful
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Originally posted by ngtm1r
Eh, they have a point. The Internet is designed to allow, not restrict, the flow of information, and all kinds of more serious illegalities can be safely planned or conducted online.
Freedoms are like that, unfortunately.
The next step in the development of Democracy is the internet HHAHAHAHAHAH!
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That's why Government are so set on representing the people, they're always scared people might start representing themselves, and then real Democracy would break out ;) It's at that point people realise that real Democracy is the bastard twin of Anarchy :D
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The nerdy bastard that nobody likes, or the dark horse bastard son who reclaims the throne? Just kidding :p
Anyway, my opinion is the government should stop messing with the internet, as bureaucracies have a reverse Midas touch.
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*bump*
The MPAA strikes back (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4216697.stm)
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I can see how this would screw alot of kids with paranoid, tech illiterate parents.
Oh no, little Billy is stealing from a faceless conglomerate of greedy business interests! Next thing you know he'll be murdering people and robbing banks.
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But some computer users who had tested the latest software reported on some technology sites that the program had identified Windows default wav files as copyrighted material and wanted to delete them.
:lol: Kind of serves you right for not simply talking to your children instead. :D