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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Primus on January 25, 2005, 10:50:28 am
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What systems are Terran?
What systems are Vasudan?
What systems are GTVA?
Would be good to know for my nodemap and campaigns :p
And, b4 some1 says.. I did a search but didn't find anything good. If you have a link to a specific thread, I'm happy with that too.
thx :)
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Terran:
Beta Aquilae
Delta Serpentis
Sol
Betelgeuse
Ross 128
Capella
Wolf 359
Vasudan:
Antares
Aldebaran(sp?)
Vega?
Altair
Vasuda Prime
Colonized by both Terran and Vasudans:
Laramis?
Deneb?
i don't know if i got any of these planets right someone plz correct me if i'm wrong.
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They're all GTVA, pretty much, in that they answer to the GTVA.
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Would help if we knew what year you're asking about. Reconstruction era? Post-Capella? T-V War era?
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Post-Capella :)
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According to the Freespace Universal Reference Project:
List of Terran planets:
1st Fleet: Based at Terra (Cut off from GTA/GTVA when SD Lucifer exploded)
2nd Fleet: Based at Delta Serpentis (the Terran capital since contact with Earth was lost)
3rd Fleet (CONFIRMED): Based at Capella
4th Fleet (CONFIRMED): Based at Vega
5th Fleet: Based at Beta Aquilae
6th Fleet (CONFIRMED): Based at Epsilon Pegasi
7th Fleet: Based at Polaris
8th Fleet: Based at Regulus
9th Fleet: Based at Sirius
10th Fleet: Based at Laramis
11th Fleet: Based at Luyten 726-BA
12th Fleet (CONFIRMED): Based at Ross 128 (a bad Terran assignment)
13th Fleet: Based at Wolf 359 (the REALLY badassignment for Terrans)
List of Vasudan planets:
1st Battle Group: Aldebaran (it's the Vasudan capital since Vasuda Prime was obliterated)
2nd Battle Group: Vasuda
3rd Battle Group: Altair
11th Battle Group: Alpha Centauri (CP5670 and Cetanu, take note of this in your missions if you need to.)
13th Battle Group (CONFIRMED): Based at Deneb
List of Terran planets but guarded by Vasudan Battle Groups:
4th Battle Group: Ikeya
5th Battle Group: Ribos
6th Battle Group: Adhara
7th Battle Group: Antares
8th Battle Group: Beta Cygni
9th Battle Group: Betelgeuse
10th Battle Group: Procyon A
12th Battle Group: Bernard's Star
Not canon or anything, but it is theoretically a common frame of reference for everyone to fall back on. I must admit I dislike how few Vasudan planets there are, even though I realise they did lose four billion with Vasuda Prime; you might want to consider the 'Terran with Vasudan battlegroups' planets as being mixed race in reality.
That is, if you want to consider this at all. It is, after all, one interpretation.
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Thanks :)
One little side note: I thought it's Luyten 726-8A? And it's not the only system I've seen to have diffirent names, like Epsilon Pegasi - Epsilon Pegasai. Not a big deal, just wondering..
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Epsilon Pegasai is a typo, most likely. The correct spelling is 'Pegasi'.
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And, good ol' FSURP to the rescue, eh? :D *smiles at avatar*
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Prior to the Great War, this is the best list of planets under each side's control:
Terran:
Sol (duh)
Beta Aquilea
Ribos
Beta Cygni
Betelgeuse
Ikeya
Ross 128
Laramis
Delta Serprentis
Luyten 726-8A (BA? hard to read this damn map sometimes)
Wolf 359
Barnard's Star
Alphard
Dubbe
Vasudan:
Vasuda (again, duh)
Sirius
Regulus
Deneb
Alpha Centauri
Aldebaran
Altair
Contested:
Antares
Vega
Capella
Procyon A
Polaris
Epsilon Pegasi
Mrifak
Adhare
Gamma Dragconis (sp? Too lazy to double check spelling)
Controlled here doesn't mean colonized, just that they are under the control of said faction. Some systems (Regulus) probably had a large enough Terran population that it switched control after the war, but was under Vasudan control near the end. Contested systems were probably decided based on population size and level of military presence after the Great War.
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ty for correcting me eishtmo
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Keep in mind that Gamma Draconis was only discovered shortly before the outbreak of the Great War. And the same was probably true about Laramis. Not to mention all the systems beyond it.
Even so, that seems to leave too many systems under Terran control, considering that the war was supposed to be a stalemate. I think FRED Zone solved this by moving Beta Cygni and Betelgeuse to Vasudan control.
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No need to move systems. The Vasudans have been in space longer than the terrans. That alone could explain why they were able to hold their own against the terrans even if the Terrans had a much larger empire.
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But if the Vasudans were in space longer than the Terrans, with no opposition, then they should have had the larger empire. ;)
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Keep in mind that Gamma Draconis was only discovered shortly before the outbreak of the Great War. And the same was probably true about Laramis. Not to mention all the systems beyond it.
Even so, that seems to leave too many systems under Terran control, considering that the war was supposed to be a stalemate.
There are systems, and then there are valuable systems with the industrial output and population to support a war effort. Probably the extra Terran ones don't fall into the second category.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
But if the Vasudans were in space longer than the Terrans, with no opposition, then they should have had the larger empire. ;)
I meant that they'd been in space longer. Not that they'd had jump tech longer.
Quite simply I'm saying the vasudans knew more about mining, refining and construction in space than the terrans did even if their tech base was the same their skills base was higher so they could produce equal amounts to the terrans with fewer systems.
Of course another explaination is that many of the terran systems had low populations while the vasudan ones are highly populated. That fact that the inhospitable Vasuda Prime had a population in the billions suggests that is possible too.
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I think kara is right - moreover I think only a handfull of planetes were colonized, while most of the system we speak of have spacebound population.
I think humans would have 2-5 planetes, 1-2 semi terran though hostile (though you no longer need a gasmask or a spacesuit) while the rest are in various stages of terraformation and on some of them the population is forced to live in artificial environment (dome cities, underground caves, or just plain megacities with intricated tube work).
The rest and majority of population lives in space aboard space stations and all the millions of mining stations scattered throughout the asteroid belts of these systems. The probable reason is that it's a lot easier to work with materials already in orbit than to move things extracted on a planet. Beside Zero-G is a must for several advanced metalurgy and purity critical processes.
Therefore most of the industry will have to move into orbit.
The reason why Earth was so important is not the planet itseld - but the Sol system. It had several gas giants, with easy to mine moons two big asteroid belts.
Humanity probably explored and inhabited its own system before inter-system subspace travel was discovered so by the time the 14-year war goes on the Sol system is not only the home system but the no.1 in terms of space based infrastructure and economy.
The Vasudans on the other hand probably had to do a massive trans system colonisation long before humans did, so they cover less system but the ones they have are more heavyly populated.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Keep in mind that Gamma Draconis was only discovered shortly before the outbreak of the Great War. And the same was probably true about Laramis. Not to mention all the systems beyond it.
Of course that's true, but for practical purposes, the systems beyond Laramis (that reminds me of a story. . .) would be under Terran control since only the Terrans really knew about it and Gamma Draconis would be contested because it wasn't even discovered yet.
Even so, that seems to leave too many systems under Terran control, considering that the war was supposed to be a stalemate. I think FRED Zone solved this by moving Beta Cygni and Betelgeuse to Vasudan control.
Control means only that the Terrans had a greater presence there, probably mostly in military terms. The Vasudans were definetly not in control of Betelgeuse since that's where you start FS1, and there is no sign of a destroyer or anything more important than a cruiser. Yet the GTA has a destroyer (the Galatea) in the system, so who do you think has more control over the system?
I won't argue about how long the Vasudans had been in space, we simply don't know. Regardless, I think the Vasudans would be much, much more willing to colonize anything with a reasonably passable atmosphere than the Terrans as they already used to such conditions. They also probably wanted to get as much of the population off Vasuda as they could, simply so it would be easier to support those left, so Vasudan colonies are likely much, much larger than Terran ones, and are on more planets as a result. The Terrans, by contrast, explored a lot faster and found more systems in the quest for more Earthlike conditions. When they found them, the set up a small starter colony and moved on, allowing the population to migrate gradually to them. More systems, smaller colonies, fewer planets. It all balanced out in the end, creating a stalemate of resources and population more than anything else.
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Terran:
Sol
Beta Aquilea
Ribos
Beta Cygni
Betelgeuse
Ikeya
Ross 128
Laramis
Delta Serprentis
Luyten 726-8A
Wolf 359
Barnard's Star
Alphard
Dubbe
Vasudan:
Vasuda
Sirius
Regulus
Deneb
Alpha Centauri
Aldebaran
Altair
Contested:
Antares
Vega
Capella
Procyon A
Polaris
Epsilon Pegasi
Mrifak
Adhare
Gamma Draconis
Mandala Prime (reference "Destiny of Peace")
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Originally posted by Blaise Russel
12th Fleet (CONFIRMED): Based at Ross 128 (a bad Terran assignment)
13th Fleet: Based at Wolf 359 (the REALLY badassignment for Terrans)
I missed this the first time around. It's actually the 12th fleet that's confirmed at Wolf 359. C.f. the failure debriefing for Argonautica.