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Title: Meson
Post by: Bobboau on May 09, 2001, 07:07:00 pm
what exactly do you all think meson technology is. I have my theory but it's part of BWO so I can't discus it.

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Title: Meson
Post by: Nico on May 09, 2001, 07:23:00 pm
Isn't Meson the name of the guy who made it?
I would think it works this way (why, because it's fun :รพ): it induces an exponantial increment of mass, which leads to the creation of a subspace hole. Then it uses subspace matter ( I think of it about some kind of energy) to make the whole thing to blew up. the explosion plus the collapsing of the subspace node makes that big boom. Yea, I know, not very realistic.
Finally, I don't think it's so much of a fun idea ...

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Title: Meson
Post by: phreak on May 09, 2001, 07:36:00 pm
A pi-meson is the antimatter equivelent of a proton.
Title: Meson
Post by: Shrike on May 09, 2001, 07:40:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by PhReAk:
A pi-meson is the antimatter equivelent of a proton.

Nope.....that's an antiproton.
Title: Meson
Post by: Ace on May 09, 2001, 07:40:00 pm
Actually Bobboau, I'm sure you can post your theory if you'd like. (since it's not a pivotal part of BWO plot)

Of course, you're probably saying that just for hype effect, which I've just broken on purpose  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)

The idea posted here about the exponential mass is similar to the prototype sub-space taps, much like what the Shivans use on their vessels.

Is a Meson reactor a rudimentary sub-space tap, utilizing anti-matter protons?

You decide.  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)

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Title: Meson
Post by: Shrike on May 09, 2001, 07:44:00 pm
Note:  This is off the top of my head (plus some stuff taken from science and is in no way affiliated with BWO, but they can use it if they want)

Meson Cannon

The Meson Cannon first deployed on the GTD Golgotha is a massive and extremely powerful weapons, far more so than any previous GTVA weapon.  The key to the prodigious damage output of this weapons is the use of mesons, strongly interacting elementary particles midway in mass between leptons (electrons and the like) and baryons. (protons, neutrons, etc)  While in principle, the Meson Cannon is similar to a GTVA-standard particle beam cannon in that a linear accelerator is used to propel charged particles to relativistic speeds, instead of typical proton or deuterium beam mass, the Meson Cannon uses mesons, which results in a significantly different end result.  The advantage mesons have over baryons from a weapon designer standpoint is that they interact not with the electromagnetic bonds holding matter together, but instead the strong nuclear force, which binds the nucleons of an atom together.  The effect of massive irradiation of relativstic mesons upon a target has the result of essentially disintigrating it at the nucleon level, bypassing any defenses against standard weapons such as heat dispersing grids and ablative armor.

Note:  All meson-based technolgy is very dangerous and potentially lethal in case of containment field breach.  Targets hit by meson-based weaponry are highly radioactive due to secondary effects resulting from atomic disruption.  Only wear class-5 or better radiation gear when dealing with meson-irradiated materiels.
Title: Meson
Post by: Shrike on May 09, 2001, 07:50:00 pm
That's my .05$ (that's worth more than 2)

Now if you really want a challenge, how do you think the Conversion Matrix from Machina Terra works?  I'll give you a hint.....subspace is involved somehow.
Title: Meson
Post by: Styxx on May 09, 2001, 07:54:00 pm
Hey! They're not supposed to know about it until... hmm... next week!  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: Meson
Post by: Shrike on May 09, 2001, 07:56:00 pm
Then next week they'll find out how close they got.   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
Title: Meson
Post by: IceFire on May 09, 2001, 10:35:00 pm
That sounds pretty good Shrike.  I like the explanation alot.  Bobboau's was also good, but yes, the whole meson technology is sort of the background for alot of things in BlackWater Operations.

We've gone a little meson happy  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Meson
Post by: Shrike on May 09, 2001, 10:42:00 pm
Yeah, I was actually going to send you something along these lines, but obviously I got beat to it.    (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

 
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Originally posted by Shrike:
Note:  All meson-based technology is very dangerous and potentially lethal in case of containment field breach.  Targets hit by meson-based weaponry are highly radioactive due to secondary effects resulting from atomic disruption.  Only wear class-5 or better radiation gear when dealing with meson-irradiated materiels.

I just had to add this bit in.    (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)
Title: Meson
Post by: Bobboau on May 10, 2001, 12:20:00 am
well can I tell them Ice

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Title: Meson
Post by: Jabu on May 10, 2001, 03:07:00 am
(Britannica.com)

Meson - any member of a family of subatomic particles composed of an even number of quarks and antiquarks. Mesons are sensitive to the strong force (the force that binds the components of the nucleus) because their constituent quarks are strongly interacting. Mesons consist of an even number of quarks with half-integral spin, and so they have integral spin. They vary widely in mass, ranging from 140 MeV to nearly 10 GeV. Various types of mesons have been discovered since their existence was first predicted in 1935 by the Japanese physicist Yukawa Hideki. Of those so far identified, the pi meson and the K meson are the most important. Pi mesons, also known as pions, are chiefly responsible for the strong interactions between the protons and neutrons in atomic nuclei. K mesons, or kaons, have several competing decay modes. Investigations of these processes have led to a better understanding of parity (the property of an elementary particle or physical system that indicates whether or not its mirror image occurs in nature) and its nonconservation.

Title: Meson
Post by: Shrike on May 10, 2001, 03:13:00 am
And that's where I got the idea of the meson cannon causing disruptive effects at the nucleon level.  Not that specific reference, but one similar.
Title: Meson
Post by: Kazan on May 12, 2001, 09:04:00 am
yes they consist of Quarks and ANTIQuarks

matter and antimatter can coexist near e/o

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Title: Meson
Post by: Nico on May 12, 2001, 09:20:00 am
pfff... Now I feel really dumb... I'll go back and read Teddy Bear stories now...

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Title: Meson
Post by: NeoHunter on May 12, 2001, 09:47:00 am
 
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Originally posted by Kazan:
yes they consist of Quarks and ANTIQuarks

Can you explain what Quarks and Anti-Quarks mean?


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Title: Meson
Post by: Bobboau on May 12, 2001, 01:18:00 pm
quarks are the little things that make up protons and nutrons.

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Title: Meson
Post by: Martinus on May 12, 2001, 09:14:00 pm
My friend is an astrophysicist, he tried to describe the nature of a quark to me. I only have moderate knowledge in magnetic and electrical field theory so let's just say that what he described was a little over my head (say about 4000 feet).

The only thing I really know about quarks is that they make pretty pictures when they're photographed as they blast into a lead plate  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

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Title: Meson
Post by: Griffon UK on May 13, 2001, 08:35:00 am
erm, i just read shrikes Theory, and aren't the current GTVA beams Photon based, not Proton...

im damn sure that Vasudan said 'Charge Photon beam cannons'

or have i miss-understood sumin  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

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Title: Meson
Post by: Jabu on May 13, 2001, 12:41:00 pm
Quarks are the things that make up protons and neutrons. There are more than two kinds of quarks, so they aren't classified as positive and negative, but in colours. They're classified red, green and blue, and their opposite colours. There are particles other than protons and neutrons that are made up of quarks, but these have a lifetime of fractions of a second. A particle can be made up of all three prime-coloured quarks or just a prime-colour and it's opposite colour. Protons and neutrons are made up of three quarks.

That's what my physics book says, anyway  (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
(also, something might have been lost in the translation.)
Title: Meson
Post by: Shrike on May 13, 2001, 04:24:00 pm
 
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Originally posted by Griffon UK:
erm, i just read shrikes Theory, and aren't the current GTVA beams Photon based, not Proton...

im damn sure that Vasudan said 'Charge Photon beam cannons'

or have i miss-understood sumin   (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Vasudan ones are, anyhow.