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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: SKYNET-011 on January 27, 2005, 05:31:15 pm
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Wrong article.
Did anyone see this on the news?
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I keep telling you guys, we're 21 years behind schedule. If we'de only starting implementing some of these programs in time, we wouldn't need to be playing catch-up now.
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http://www.allsafedefense.com/news/Extremes/Drawing.htm (2001)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6870265/ (2005)
Hmm.
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:lol:
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It's sad, hilarious, and scary.
All at the same time! :D
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Holy ****. That just... Thats just wrong.:wtf: :lol:
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Arrest me!!
Me Osama
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Careful Sandwich, you might get tackled by a security guard. :lol:
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The funny thing is, if the guy in the picture had been labeled "Osama" instead of whatever, how many of you think that anyone would have had an issue it?
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so much for freedom of expression. its better the children express them selves in a non violent manor, such as drawing pictures, rather than shooting up the school.
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May Shivans anally violate the people responsible for this travesty of justice.:hopping: :mad:
Hell, I drew pictures of people shooting each other when I was in school and no one cared.
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Those drawings had families. Hasn't anyone considered that?
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Those drawings had families. Hasn't anyone considered that?
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"Oh the humanity!"
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Lets Improve on that... :D
Originally posted by Sandwich
Arrest me!!
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Don't forget to draw the Afgan kids of the Taliban who will be scarred for life by the INFIDELS comming in with their COWBOY justice and slaughtering the hero of the people! (that's a joke, I just want to see you draw it)... Oh wait they already made a movie TEAM AMERICA WORLD POLICE!!!
Seriously now if I had an 11yo kid and the police handcuffed him/her for a non-violent offense (drawing) I would be filing a lawsuit next morning! Sweet jesu WTF were they thinking? This is a social problem at that point not a legal one! I was once a criminal Justice major and even I know that, don't these cops need refresher courses in phycology and Juvenile Justice?
Oh wait this was FLORIDA Jeb Bush's state, and that baker act sounds like something the Nazi's could have used. (stops as I am ready to rant some more... Grumbles)
BTW IF I make aScii art of me and GW (labeled) will the Secret Service have a problem with that?
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Y'know what? I'm gonna ****ing start drawing some pictures of myself commiting mass murder. Then, when/if these kinda people do something about it, I'm gonna **** around with them.
Is it possible to sue for something like this? For mental/emotional damages ("I got arrested! I'm permanently scarred for life!")? That would be sooo much fun.
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You know the kid who drew those pictures has alot of potential in becoming an artist ;)
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Originally posted by Sandwich
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speaking of sandwich and guns... as far as your rather long-running cameo is concerned... you're not dead yet :p
but, seriously folks.. arresting kids for drawing voilent things?.... that's extremely imposing on their creativity, not to mention that they're only drawings, it's not like they're gonna pop up and kill anybody or anything..
if they did do that, i'd be mauled by some anthro canids a long time ago :nervous:
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...WTFH?
Does this mean that Setekh will be arrested if he ever goes to Florida? He's rendered a wing of Ursas once, and those can carry weapons that make any gun look like pin poking...
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Wow, this is really crazy. I used to like to draw out fighter-jets and soldiers when I was in elementary school. I remember many-a-time drawing these 2-D war games with opposing bunkers on each side of the page, and then drawing out the battle as it occured (Generally resulting in many scribbles and stuff. Imagine if they caught me in this school.
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[EDIT] To edit my earlier comment, in this case, there were names and such, so in one sense, a chat with the parents may have been necessary. If these kids had a history of not getting along, you want to sort the problem out.
However, they need to work out whatever problems these kids *may* have between eachother, and not just get on their case and say "Naughty Jonny!!". Now, maybe they were just fooling around, which could very well be the case.
Cheers!
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Originally posted by Fractux
Wow, this is really crazy. I used to like to draw out fighter-jets and soldiers when I was in elementary school. I remember many-a-time drawing these 2-D war games with opposing bunkers on each side of the page, and then drawing out the battle as it occured (Generally resulting in many scribbles and stuff. Imagine if they caught me in this school.
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[EDIT] To edit my earlier comment, in this case, there were names and such, so in one sense, a chat with the parents may have been necessary. If these kids had a history of not getting along, you want to sort the problem out.
However, they need to work out whatever problems these kids *may* have between eachother. Now, maybe they were just fooling around, which could very well be the case.
Cheers!
:nod: Those were the days...
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haven't they heard of...like...a warning? Like "Johnny, that's not appropriate for school," or even calling the parents before the cops? Hell, I drew space ships blowing each other up in 4th grade, and the teachers told me that it was a nice looking drawing...even now scraps of paper have their margins filled with stick figures battling it out (usually ninjas and pirates ;))....
just :wtf:...that's the only proper response to this...
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its theese damn cartoons they let theese kids watch. along with americans totally misunderstanding anime. americans think of animation as children's stuff, while in japan its considerd an artform and is generally more for adults or general audiences. i mean there is a profound difference between hello kitty and dbz (i dont really watch too much anime so thats the best example i can come up with). when they play dbz on cartoon network it kinda throws american parents off. japaneese culture understands their own creation to a far better degree than our culture can,
infact all of the american media is to blame, music, tv movies, the news, whatever. the barnum effect plays a role. americas diversity has created such a wide array of behaviors that no one individual can fully understand them all. this creates a situation where people no longer care what goes on. mass confusion via sensory overload.
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This is ****in' sad. Im telling you this country is going to hell in a hand basket.
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indeed, but we deserve it :D
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I just remembered... Who's that girl (Marauder right?) who's little sister drew Carl destroying Vasuda Prime.. (while Raa like cried)...
Does this mean Raa can have her arrested for supporting Genocide?
(since we like to be absurd here)... (Quick better delete that post!) :D
So what's it like for a juvenile girl in a Vasudan jail? Find out on the next Maury Povich show!!! :drevil:
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Hmmmmm... Well, depends on whether they were just being given a fright or were genuinely being arrested. In the UK, admittedly several years ago, the Police were fine with giving the kid a fright such as this (often with the parents OK), just to make it quite quite clear that planning to kill your colleagues is not widely accepted ;)
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Originally posted by Turnsky
speaking of sandwich and guns... as far as your rather long-running cameo is concerned... you're not dead yet :p
Eh?
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In the FoxFire Chronicles :p
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(Watched the T.V. report....)
50 quid says Micheal Moore uses it in his next film.
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Those drawings had families. Hasn't anyone considered that?
Did they buy two-dimensional gravestones for all the graphite-based loved ones who were shot, blown up, stabbed, impaled, and otherwise killed by marker-ink foes?
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Originally posted by Nuke
its theese damn cartoons they let theese kids watch. along with americans totally misunderstanding anime. americans think of animation as children's stuff, while in japan its considerd an artform and is generally more for adults or general audiences. i mean there is a profound difference between hello kitty and dbz (i dont really watch too much anime so thats the best example i can come up with). when they play dbz on cartoon network it kinda throws american parents off. japaneese culture understands their own creation to a far better degree than our culture can,
infact all of the american media is to blame, music, tv movies, the news, whatever. the barnum effect plays a role. americas diversity has created such a wide array of behaviors that no one individual can fully understand them all. this creates a situation where people no longer care what goes on. mass confusion via sensory overload.
So what will you do about it? Eliminate all diversity in thought and culture (a bad idea)? Censor the media (a worse idea)? Eliminate all electronic media (a truly horrible idea)?
If what you said was true, this would be a county of glassy-eyed TV zombies. It isn't.
First of all, culture misunderstanding is natural and has happened for all of human history. You see it in many Third world people's distorted view of America as a godless commercialism land, the president committing a faux pas in the pursuit of goodwill by joining Muslim leaders in a Ramadan night feast, well-meaning people offending Jews or Muslims by offering them pork, etc. The consequences can be ugly, but is homogenizing all world culture to eliminate such misunderstanding worth the price?
Second, Japanese culture is perhaps the most bizarre, impenetrable, and exlusionary culture on Earth. You have to be Japanese to understand it, and even then it is sexist, classist, highly racist (the way blacks are depicted in Japanese cartoons is almost exactly like the racist caricatures common in the American south in the late 19th and early 20th century), xenophobic, formal, ritualized, and at times perverse. I'd rather take McDonald's and SUVs any day.
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
So what will you do about it? Eliminate all diversity in thought and culture (a bad idea)? Censor the media (a worse idea)? Eliminate all electronic media (a truly horrible idea)?
If what you said was true, this would be a county of glassy-eyed TV zombies. It isn't.
First of all, culture misunderstanding is natural and has happened for all of human history. You see it in many Third world people's distorted view of America as a godless commercialism land, the president committing a faux pas in the pursuit of goodwill by joining Muslim leaders in a Ramadan night feast, well-meaning people offending Jews or Muslims by offering them pork, etc. The consequences can be ugly, but is homogenizing all world culture to eliminate such misunderstanding worth the price?
Second, Japanese culture is perhaps the most bizarre, impenetrable, and exlusionary culture on Earth. You have to be Japanese to understand it, and even then it is sexist, classist, highly racist (the way blacks are depicted in Japanese cartoons is almost exactly like the racist caricatures common in the American south in the late 19th and early 20th century), xenophobic, formal, ritualized, and at times perverse. I'd rather take McDonald's and SUVs any day.
Woolie - ****ing get off the high horse! You just admitted it's hard to understand and/or easy to misunderstand.
Then you start to write of it in a degenerative manner.
Yes - they are different. They have some serious problems of their own. However that doesn't make YOU or any person of ANY other nation better.
I'm a long time anime watcher and I can state a couple of things: a lot of Jappanese mannerisms make it to the media they make.
Said media contains themes for all ages and for all interests.
Said media works for a very varried market as a result - with some very bizarre anr/or disturbing results on the edge.
Generally though it is a lot more liberal - no cross that word -, it is more realistic.
People die and suffer, but that doesn't mean the viewers are out to enjoy those - it merly means that it's not necessary to 'protect' the viewer from said material or tell him how to feel about it.
I am enraged about how western media tries to educate or enforce a general canon. For heaven's sake! It's the very job of said media to tell the human truth behind such themes - imagine what a sex-ed lesson would be if you were banned from even mentioning intercourse or the sexual organs.
I don't want the state/bureocrats to nanny me or my children - that's my and my family's and the teachers' job.
BTW and back on topic:
The whole issue around the kids, especially the state/police action is:
****ING RETARDED.
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
If what you said was true, this would be a county of glassy-eyed TV zombies. It isn't.
You sure about that? What's the average hours-per-day stats for America? Something like seven hours, wasn't it? That isn't good for anyone....
But that's besides the point. The problem is the whole "OMG another Columbine!!!1" knee-jerk that's the standard for seemingly everything involving kids and violence nowadays. They need to start looking at what causes people to go off the rails so spectacularly in the first place, rather than just stamping on anyone showing "signs of violence" or whatever they saw in this that was so threatening. :doubt: People seem to forget what it's like to be a child, and think that they all think the same way as adults...
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Yes - they are different. They have some serious problems of their own. However that doesn't make YOU or any person of ANY other nation better.
Japanese culture has been sexist, racist, and xenophobic for a long time. Women face much greater obstacles in leading a successful life in Japan than in the United States. Japanese culture has always reinforced the idea that the Japanese are superior to other peoples (sort of like how ancient Chinese culture viewed China as the only proper civilization on Earth). This attitude reached its zenith in the Tokugawa Shogunate, when westerners, Christians, and even western technologies like firearms were banned from Japan. Complete sexual repression is bad, but Japan's loose attitude towards sexuality is no better. The age of consent is 13. NO 13-year-old can truly understand the implications and emotions involved in true love and sexuality. That's why teenage "crushes" and "puppy love" are usually short-lived. Before 1997 or so, there was NO age of consent. Child sex is immoral, period. This is not to say Japanese are bad people or anything, but the culture in the country of Japan is seriously flawed and retains a strong reactionary, traditionalistic, xenophobic undercurrent.
On the other hand, you can't go stamping out diversity in the name of cooperation and harmony. Is your idea of a misunderstanding-free world worth the price of 10,000 years of cultural evolution all over the world? I stand firmly against the idea of global cultural homogenization.
Also, your ideals in the hands of a world leader could be corrupted and abused. Think how reducing "diversity" could lead to racism, indoctination, and even genocide. Reducing diversity is precisely what Josef Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, and Slobodan Milosevic tried to do.
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Woolie I don't stand by homogenisation to any degree.
On the other hand I also disagree with you 'impression' of Jappanese people, however this thread isn't about them or that difference so I will agree to disagree for now and be done with it.
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Originally posted by Getter Robo G
I just remembered... Who's that girl (Marauder right?) who's little sister drew Carl destroying Vasuda Prime.. (while Raa like cried)...
Does this mean Raa can have her arrested for supporting Genocide?
(since we like to be absurd here)... (Quick better delete that post!) :D
Hey you! Hands off my sis or I'll pulverize you. Thank you for your attention. :headz:
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If I was the parent of that kid I'd kill that ****ed up school principal. What a Moron. Actually I 'd like to kill him anyway
(I'll probably be arrested for posting this... :nervous: )
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Eh?
The term "Serious Sandwich" make a little better for you? :p
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
Also, your ideals in the hands of a world leader could be corrupted and abused. Think how reducing "diversity" could lead to racism, indoctination, and even genocide. Reducing diversity is precisely what Josef Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, and Slobodan Milosevic tried to do.
indeed. deculturization is not the way to go. however if you look at the education system in the us it seems to be monocultural. people are not learning how to deal with such a complex cultural environment. i base my assumptions on the idea that a person cant know everything. however an abstract understanting would surfice. and while schools are getting better at this, most parents now went to school at a time before cultural diversity was a subjerct.
anyway back to the subject of the kids, anime is probibly not as bad for them as some of the us made cartoons out there. there are some show that teach morality and understanding. but there are others that show ill behavior as being 'cool'. somehow this is considered 'normal', or 'acceptable'.
for some of theese kids no morals are taught to them. they only know what is acceptable by the punishments they recieve. at the very most those kids should have been interviewed by the school counsoler, and recomend that the parents get the children some therapy. zero tolerance policys do not work when it comes to children. instead of thumping their skull when they do something bad, they should probibly attept to resolve the isues between them. with what i got away with in school (the weed breaks, the network hacking, the wrighting of 'death to piggys!' in the teachers lounge, and the commendeering of the vending machine room fort starters :D).
the church could be just as bad too. my sister, who is currently in a strict christian foster home was yelled at when i let her listen to my ipod at her christian party. also while i was dating a wiccan girl they woulnt let my sister talk to her because they thought it would be a bad influence, she was a good gal but because she practiced an alternative religion she was deemed 'evil'. they woulnd even let her watch the lotr movies. its hard enough to teach kids to accept other cultures without the church having to screw things up by lableing other non-christain cultures as 'evil'
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Originally posted by Tiara
In the FoxFire Chronicles :p
Oh, yeah! :)