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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fattony on January 30, 2005, 06:27:23 am
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The short of it is: 'an0n' can access Staff, VW Allumni, FS+ and a bunch of campaign internals.
'Fattony' can access all the campaign internals and Grognards.
Now, the 'an0n' one can be fixed by simply banning me properly and/or deleting the crappy silenced usergroup. The entire problem is based in your inability to grasp the concept that new usergroups automatically get 'default public' access to all forums.
The Fattony one, however, is far more serious - as it suggests to me that all new members automagically get access to all the aforementioned forums. This is a common bug in older version of vBulletin and phpBB in regards to Moderators - who automatically get access permission to private forums whenever you mod them.
At the very least, this'll require days to fix. At most, you'll need to recode the create-user functions.
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And I'll remind you that I'm still helping, even though you ****s banned me for calling Setekh gay.
Learn to take a ****ing joke.
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I don't think all new members get access. Are you sure you're not doing something naughty you forgot to mention?
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I don't think new members get access automagically.
at least not anymore.
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Also, I had kode and KT make some new user accounts to see if they had access. They don't.
So as far as this account goes, I'm completely ****in' stumped.
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And I apparently can't edit my posts.
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Now 'an0n' can't see ANYTHING in the hosted section.
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I must say tho, your admin forum turned out to be pretty much what I expected it to be.
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Hmm, what's up again? :p
Actually, what's that acronym you gave Steak in the other, closed topic? :p
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NAMBLA = North American Man/Boy Love Association
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there's the thing with the site page showing latest posts from the admin area as well...
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and for the love of tiny gnomes, don't go over to phpbb.
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Oh yeah.
The 'Latest Threads' thing on the site doesn't differentiate between public and private forum threads.
It had the "So what about an0n's card game?" thread listed a while ago.
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And this is all Goober's fault, BTW.
It was his stupid idea to 'voiceless' me.
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Originally posted by Fattony
NAMBLA = North American Man/Boy Love Association
What topic was it? wanna see if it was offensing or not :p
Oh, and I wouldn't mind you not posting about certain things, coz afaik, I've never done anything to you :p
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nice sig you have there.
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I can also search:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,25078.msg604671.html#msg604671
TBP FTP. Obviously the hosted staff aren't as vigilant in their efforts to not get their **** stolen and/or changed.
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Ah, **** it.
I'm not helping you people anymore.
If you think editting 1 users forum access mask is the way to fix the permissions system, you deserve to get ****ed.
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Btw, is it wise the post threads where one of the topics has 20 of your IPs? :p
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I didn't check most of the threads. I just saved them and FTP'd them up.
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Originally posted by Fattony
I can also search:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,25078.msg604671.html#msg604671
TBP FTP. Obviously the hosted staff aren't as vigilant in their efforts to not get their **** stolen and/or changed.
That is because we trust in our host's security, which apparently is far from the case. Thanks to outdated vBulletin with hacks on top of hacks.
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Anyone have anything more to add to this? Otherwise we can call it a day here and get on with fixing things. (Yeah, I'm still at home. The other admins aren't on - no small suprise then that things haven't been fixed in the last half an hour).
Anyhow, any more use for this thread an0n?
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well, can't we use it to discuss your admin area hypocrisy?
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i cant see a thing......damn you newbs!!!!!!!!!! :P
edit: now it appears that time is screwed up as well! :/
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We need it to stand as a living testament to your inability to do anything even remotely right.
For starters, editting the access mask for the 'an0n' account does nothing but stop me finding out the extent of the problem. And on top of that, you only denied me access to Hosted and Staff. Everything else (Allumni, FS+ etc) is still perfectly visible and accessible.
I've told you about 5 times now that to fix the an0n account, all you've got to do is change it's usergroup, but instead you **** around with patch-work fixes.
Oh and to fix the Fattony account looks like it will almost certainly require some PHP recoding. At the very least, the server is ****ing up taking MySQL queries, and at the worst someone has been playing with the PHP.
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Not really. You signed up to our forum - not the other way around. If you despise the way things are done around here so much then feel free to start your own FreeSpace site and make it better.... or to leave the community, or to go to another FS site if one exists?
But so long as you're here - you agree to the way we do things. Since you're not paying us to do anything, why should we jump to be as you want us? It really is the select and consistant few who have problems here.
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You should consider to switch to phpBB because with it, you don't need to worry about license fees and can always upgrade to the latest version. It will take time to reintegrate content that is integrated with vBulletin but not originally part of it, but it would pay off in the long run.
But anyway, I believe things will get fixed in a way or another.
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Since you're not paying us to do anything, why should we jump to be as you want us?
Because my good nature has it's limits.
Fix it, or I'm WebSnaking everything and mirroring the entire forum (internals included) in flat-file on PenguinBomb.
See how I just made all the campaign staffs into my little soldiers? Did you see it? Clever, eh?
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crap an0n. now that's just mean!
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:nervous:
errr....fix it....please? :nervous:
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Originally posted by kode
well, can't we use it to discuss your admin area hypocrisy?
oh? Did your little heart hurt finding out they were talking about us all in secret?
Well, if I was mean, I'd say you deserve it for not taking the existence of the above fact as obvious in the first place, w/o An0n's help :doubt:
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Well, I suppose any free forum will do. But it does seem that being quite young, SMF still has time to become just as bloated and poorly programmed as any of the other older forum softwares out there. This is however going slightly off topic now.
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Well, as I said I'm the only admin around at the moment - and I'm now five minutes from leaving my house to head back to halls.
Hence - nothings being fixed. Nobody here to fix it.
But it will get fixed. For the time being - patchwork fixes were put in place by one of us (not me) to dissuade you from hacking data straight out of the forums. We'll deal with that one when we're done with everything else.
I'm going to leave this open so you can discuss amongst yourselves or make suggestions on how to fix things, but if it's spam by the time I get to another computer it'll just get locked.
See you in a couple of hours.
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Originally posted by Nico
oh? Did your little heart hurt finding out they were talking about us all in secret?
Well, if I was mean, I'd say you deserve it for not taking the existence of the above fact as obvious in the first place, w/o An0n's help :doubt:
even for a frenchguy, that flamebait was lame. of course I know they're bullying you in secret. heck, I do it myself on the forums I admin. heck, I do it in the nodewar channel on irc for all to see. I do it at the nw forums as well, openly. I'd do it here, but then I'd get mails from thundar!?!!?! wondering if I've taken offence and **** all the while the club for internal appreciation does the same on the rest of you.
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Originally posted by Mr. Fury
Well, I suppose any free forum will do. But it does seem that being quite young, SMF still has time to become just as bloated and poorly programmed as any of the other older forum softwares out there. This is however going slightly off topic now.
it's not that young, actually. I believe it's basically a fork of yabbphp or something, only a truckload better.
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Originally posted by kode
even for a frenchguy, that flamebait was lame.
Well, it's known that we're the lamest people on earth, and that I'm the lamest of them all, so what did you expect? :p
Sorry, but crying for hypocrisy... that really sounds like whines.
And I don't care what they think of me, btw.
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Originally posted by Nico
Well, it's known that we're the lamest people on earth, and that I'm the lamest of them all, so what did you expect? :p
Sorry, but crying for hypocrisy... that really sounds like whines.
And I don't care what they think of me, btw.
feh. it's the belgians that are the lamest. everyone knows that.
on a sidenote: it seems this account has access to forums it shouldn't as well.
like grognards, which seems to be the lesser club for internal appreciation. nifty.
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An0n made those publicly available, I am sure of that.
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I just noticed that too.
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he'd need admin permissions for that. this is probably a quick fix gone wrong.
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An0n does have admin rights when he wants them, I have learned that much.
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Ah, the joys of being the admin, i know how these guys feel ..
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I don't, because I tend to fix problems at NW when they're brought to my attention.
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well its not like he's goatCing all over the place
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It's being fixed as we speak. It has been in the process of being fixed for over two hours now. The permissions system here is ridiculous.
An0n, see if you can get into any of the admin sections or the hosted project sections with either of your accounts.
As for the "I can see everything" bug, that's just the Fattony nick. It's in a usergroup all by itself.
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harr harr, you messed up, goobar.
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I wasn't the one who created the "Voiceless" user group. :p
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Originally posted by Goober5000
As for the "I can see everything" bug, that's just the Fattony nick. It's in a usergroup all by itself.
lol
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Nicely done. Such a shame I don't care enough to try and abuse it...
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Originally posted by Goober5000
As for the "I can see everything" bug, that's just the Fattony nick. It's in a usergroup all by itself.
Why?
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To prevent you from editing any of your posts, as you noticed before.
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...........why?
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Partly an experiment. Mostly something else.
Okay, the permissions should be back to normal. Fattony, an0n, and everyone else shouldn't be able to get anywhere they're not allowed. If anyone notices any other permission problems, let us know ASAP.
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So, how did you 'fix' it?
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I posted it in the Staff forum. Go read it. If you can't read it, that means it worked. :p
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That's somewhat specious.
But **** it. I said I'm through helping you, so whatever may or may not be wrong with the boards now or in the future will only be brought to your attention when I crash the boards with it.
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You gave us all the help we needed when you said there was something wrong. Didn't you watch The Incredibles? Never monologue. :p
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No, fool.
I realised that as soon as my 'silence' was up, I'd lose access anyway.
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And if you hadn't told us, we probably would have been none the wiser. So you would have had access for however long we kept you in "Voiceless", which may have been quite a while. :p
Anyway, thanks for your help. :)
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Originally posted by Goober5000
And if you hadn't told us, we probably would have been none the wiser. So you would have had access for however long we kept you in "Voiceless", which may have been quite a while. :p
Yeah, I coulda spent a whole 2 weeks watching you guys circle-jerk each other in the Staff forum.
:doubt:
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see, why do you treat an0n this way when he's obviously out to help you?
oh, wait, you've got windrunner and sandwich on your team.
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Originally posted by kode
see, why do you treat an0n this way when he's obviously out to help you?
Not any more.
Every hole I find from now on get's posted on IRC along with detailed instructions on how to **** with HLP.
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Treat him how? I cracked a joke and thanked him for his help. Kalfireth, on the other hand, closed about five threads of his.
an0n is still going to get banned, mind you, but his your helpfulness has earned him a short reprieve. :)
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Originally posted by Fattony
Every hole I find from now on get's posted on IRC along with detailed instructions on how to **** with HLP.
Nah, you'll keep posting here in your trademark colorfully helpful way. Admit it, you like us. :p
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Yeah. I like you how the WC community likes you.
Speaking of the WC community, I was thinking about posting this on their forums:
http://www.penguinbomb.com/staff/Wing Commander PR Effort.htm
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........and now I can't edit it.
**** it.
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Red Tubesocks
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Location:
I don't think new members get access automagically.
at least not anymore.
Registered: Not Yet | Posts: N/A
When do we allow guests to post?
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
When do we allow guests to post?
well, mister smarty-pants. did it ever occur to you that deleted members show up as guests in posts made?
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No. :p
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They do?!?! OMGOMGOMGOMGOGMGOMGOGMGOMGGMGOOGMGOMMMOOGGOOGMOGMOGMOGOGGMOGMG OGMMGOMGMGMGOOMOGMOOOOMMMMMGGGGGGGMGMGMGMGOGOOGOGMGOMGOGMOGOMS TFUOMGOMGOMGMOGOMG!
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Wow, he managed to misspell Wanabee.
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Wah wah wah :p
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He'll think it's less funny in a few hours.
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dang, less than 30 posts and still a custom title. life's unfair.
speaking of, who gave me mine, and why didn't said person even ask me first?
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http://www.crius.net/zone/showthread.php?p=254517#post254517
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So, who else here thinks, that this will end in a perma-ban for an0n?
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Yeah, I'm getting awfully tired of that little pretense of power.
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It never occurred to you, that, even with you hating everything about hlp, posting one of our staff threads in that WC forum was a bit overkill? The last thing we need here is another DerekSmartesque flamewar.
I was kinda getting used to the overall friendliness we've seemed to reacquire lately.
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Why would I make a move that wasn't going to get maximum effect?
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Originally posted by Stunaep
It never occurred to you, that, even with you hating everything about hlp, posting one of our staff threads in that WC forum was a bit overkill? The last thing we need here is another DerekSmartesque flamewar.
I was kinda getting used to the overall friendliness we've seemed to reacquire lately.
Agree. That is overkill, and its just asking for trouble from CIC member/Admins as well.
Not exactly a mature thing to do either given the reasons.
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Maturity being right at the top of my priorities right now.
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Oh boy - intercommunity warfare :D
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again
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****ing with the timestamps again, are we? :wtf:
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Because the "again" post was intended as a reply to UT.
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They don't seem too fussed.
Meh. I'll see if there's any other communities being slagged off in the Staff forum.
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I doubt it. You guys are the only ones who go as bonkers as you do when someone insults your game :p
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This is somewhat less than impressive lads.
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Indeed. I'd hoped for a full-on board-war, but it looks like the WC peeps don't care.
Damn them and their laid-back attitude!
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Looks like you're the only one that gets riled up over stupid, petty insults.
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This situation has some resemblance to a lone kid wanting more attention from his parents. I can't but pity an0n/Fattony.
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I'm assuming you know why I was banned, right?
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You're assuming we care?
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No, I was assuming you're being very non-chalant about the whole affair in an attempt to emphasise your decidedly simplistic views on life.
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I'm still trying to figure out why you were banned.
I know "why" I just don't see the point in banning you as a result. It's like electro shock therapy on a vegetable (no offence).
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Oh and UT/Fury, I remind you I scalped all the internals.
So I'd advise you to shut your ****ing mouths.
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I couldn't care less about your petty threats.
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heh, I advise you share them on nw. :p
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Fascinating eh...? What I find fascinating here is how someone can have so much free time in his hands to spend days, months and years screwing every random person they don't like for some puny nonsensical reason. It only makes me wonder how low is it possible to get.
And I have the feeling that we're about to find that out pretty soon...
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You say that like there's not hundreds of ****ing MB of stuff.
The Staff ones alone came to 12MB and that's inactive as hell.
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Originally posted by Ulundel
And I have the feeling that we're about to find that out pretty soon...
The force is strong with this one.....
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Originally posted by Fattony
Oh and UT/Fury, I remind you I scalped all the internals.
So I'd advise you to shut your ****ing mouths.
Or else what? You'll kick and scream some more?
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Frankly an0n/Fattony your just causing trouble for the sheer hell of it now. Don't you think its time to grow up abit?
Whats the old saying? "Act your age, not the first digit of your post-count"
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You'll see.
You all see!
MwuuuaaAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
*runs off into the night*
:blah:
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Dumbass.
EDIT: ****, there goes the forum timing.
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Originally posted by Fattony
You say that like there's not hundreds of ****ing MB of stuff.
The Staff ones alone came to 12MB and that's inactive as hell.
Alright, alright. I figured it would be compressed.
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This thread should be locked already, it will only encourage an0n being the attention whore he is.
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Originally posted by Fattony
Oh and UT/Fury, I remind you I scalped all the internals.
So I'd advise you to shut your ****ing mouths.
oh you're such a card
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I'm going to assume that's a typo.
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Back in halls now, and having read over the entire thing I've got the following to think about.
an0n - you were placed into the voiceless catagory because (not for the first time) you went to far with your jokes. We've told you time and time again not to do it but you didn't listen. You would have been un-silenced in a weeks time - nothing permenant was in our minds.
But believe me, it is now.
Tell me, why should we (as a community) put up with you over and over again? You dislike most of the staff here, you dislike some if not most of the people here. You have no reason to stay here. Yet you keep coming back for more. Why should we put up with you?
As for helping us out - has it occured to you that you are the only one who has looked for and exploited security holes here? Not content with stopping at pointing out their existance - you've utilised them to post content that was intended for staff viewing only across the internet for public access.
Again, why should we put up with you?
Perhaps it's me. Perhaps I'm confusing the borders between "helpful" and "pain in the ass". But for me, the border is the difference between pointing out the flaws, and actually making use of them.
In so far as insighting inter-community conflict between the FS/WC communities goes - I'm sure they've had a laugh at us in their staff forums. Know what? We don't care. Good for them, both communities have ignored eachother for some time now and believe me - if anyone asks it'll be nobody but you who's blamed on this side of things. After all you posted private content. Not to mention the fact that it's half a year old.
So what exactly do you expect from us at this stage an0n? To listen to you? To forgive you? To pretend that we care about you? We're already taking the security holes seriously - you've made your point there. The fact that you need to continue to try and prove something is pretty much all everyone else needs to see to show what your true intentions seem to be.
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On the plus side, we did get to see the admins were mortal via his posting of the staff content.
Well, maybe a little too mortal but that's not the point...
Hey, it's always a sunny day in vyperville. :D
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Back in halls now, and having read over the entire thing I've got the following to think about.
an0n - you were placed into the voiceless catagory because (not for the first time) you went to far with your jokes. We've told you time and time again not to do it but you didn't listen. You would have been un-silenced in a weeks time - nothing permenant was in our minds.
But believe me, it is now.
Who the **** are you kidding?
You know as well as anyone that if I really wanted to, I could get back in whenever and however I pleased.
Tell me, why should we (as a community) put up with you over and over again? You dislike most of the staff here, you dislike some if not most of the people here. You have no reason to stay here. Yet you keep coming back for more. Why should we put up with you?
Mostly, because I tell you to.
I come for the challenge, I stay for the bickering.
As for helping us out - has it occured to you that you are the only one who has looked for and exploited security holes here? Not content with stopping at pointing out their existance - you've utilised them to post content that was intended for staff viewing only across the internet for public access.
As I've said before: Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. Check Marauder's sig if you want that in maxim form.
Again, why should we put up with you?
Again: like you have a choice.
Perhaps it's me. Perhaps I'm confusing the borders between "helpful" and "pain in the ass". But for me, the border is the difference between pointing out the flaws, and actually making use of them.
That should be: "Making use of them without reason".
If you'd even bothered to PM me as to why I was being banned (which I've told you countless times before is a sure-fire way to stop me throwing a hissy-fit), I wouldn't have done ****.
As it is: Consider this a lesson in listening.
In so far as insighting inter-community conflict between the FS/WC communities goes - I'm sure they've had a laugh at us in their staff forums. Know what? We don't care. Good for them, both communities have ignored eachother for some time now and believe me - if anyone asks it'll be nobody but you who's blamed on this side of things. After all you posted private content. Not to mention the fact that it's half a year old.
And? Therefore? Thus? As a result...?
So what exactly do you expect from us at this stage an0n?
Initially: To unban my account.
To listen to you? To forgive you? To pretend that we care about you?
No. No. No.
We're already taking the security holes seriously - you've made your point there.
What was it? "I'm not fixing them. Bye."?
The fact that you need to continue to try and prove something is pretty much all everyone else needs to see to show what your true intentions seem to be.
Well, if it's a fact.
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AHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH AHAHAHAH
Jesus.
AHAHAHHAHHA
All behold the wrath of bitter nosy highschool angstkid! We're certainly doomed by know, he knows the INTERNETS
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You mighta been in highschool at 20, but I ain't.
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Addressed point for point - without quoting.
1 - We hoped you would take the hint like everyone else.
2 - Oh good :) I'm really glad you like a challenge.
3 - When you signed up, you agreed to the rules of conduct that were layed out for all new users. In breaking them you have not left us alone. Why are you so suprised when we get tired of it?
4 - We'll see :)
5 - Again, you signed up here - not the other way around. Despite the fact that it should be obvious why you're banned (you're a pain in the ass)... a simple email would have secured you the information you want - why you're banned. That would be to simple though, wouldn't it.
6 - Only one point - it's not our problem.
7 - You're punished for a reason. Live with that.
8 - Fair enough.
9 - I've already told you that most of the admins haven't seen all this. Infact Goober, Maeg and I are the only ones who've been on all day I think. As I said - I've been busy for most of it. Fixes will be made.
10 - It is. You've not left this alone as I asked you to, the guise of helping us seems to be disolving under the weight of the proof here that you just like being irritating.
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
5 - Again, you signed up here - not the other way around. Despite the fact that it should be obvious why you're banned (you're a pain in the ass)... a simple email would have secured you the information you want - why you're banned. That would be to simple though, wouldn't it.
Here's my interpretation of the series of events:
*kicks an0n in teeth*
*hands an0n a gun*
10 - It is. You've not left this alone as I asked you to, the guise of helping us seems to be disolving under the weight of the proof here that you just like being irritating.
No ****, Sherlock. I was wondering how goddamn long it was going to take for that little snippet to sink through your thick ****ing skull.
Christ, you people are slow.....
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Originally posted by Janos
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Jesus.
AHAHAHHAHHA
All behold the wrath of bitter nosy highschool angstkid! We're certainly doomed by know, he knows the INTERNETS
speaking of yourself in third person?
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1 - Almost. Remember, you were banned again for a reason. We keep telling people not to insult other members of the forum but you didn't listen. Don't act so surpised then when you get slapped for it.
The rest of this just shows two things. Firstly that we did the right thing and secondly, that you can't take a hint.
2 - Oh I worked it out this morning, my problem isn't stupidity but in giving you a chance to sort yourself out. Since you're incapable of that then we're going to go with option B.
This is now locked, I think everything we need to say has been said. If you need to contact me further then you have my email address.