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Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Turnsky on January 31, 2005, 04:14:38 am
one word: Ouch

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Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Thorn on January 31, 2005, 04:34:56 am
I bet whoever was driving that thing will be cleaning the ****ters for the rest of his navy career.
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Knight Templar on January 31, 2005, 04:35:48 am
This is why you shouldn't drink and drive.
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Nico on January 31, 2005, 06:28:37 am
Well, that shows that those things don't sink quite as easily as movies would want to make you believe, at least :p
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Post by: IceFire on January 31, 2005, 09:33:59 am
Ouch.  Yeah for sure...

I remember a tour of the Norfolk US Navy yards back a few years ago.  One of the ships was in drydock and the tour guide told us that the destroyer had hit a mine on the bow and that the blast had broken the hull all the way along the spine of the ship.  They hauled it back to Norfolk and the ship was looking good as new.  So I imagine give it some time and this Los Angeles class sub will be spick and span :D
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Post by: Flipside on January 31, 2005, 09:40:44 am
There goes the no-claims bonus.... :nervous:
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Post by: Corsair on January 31, 2005, 09:42:16 am
Well that isn't very pretty... I hear the longevity of the captain's career is subject to the results of the investigation into the accident.
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Sandwich on January 31, 2005, 11:08:34 am
Was this that sub that had run aground due to shifts in the ocean floor from the earthquake?
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Flipside on January 31, 2005, 11:28:18 am
I think this is the one where the Pilot got his Degrees and Radians mixed, not certain though.

And as for the Sea-floor shifting due to Earthquakes, well, don't they look where they are going now? The US didn't spend Billions of dollars on passive Sonar for it to be switched off :p
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Corsair on January 31, 2005, 11:40:16 am
This is the sub that ran into the seamount that apparently wasn't on any of the charts.
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Flipside on January 31, 2005, 11:43:45 am
So, what this boils down to then was that the silly buggers weren't looking where they were going...
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Corsair on January 31, 2005, 11:46:51 am
Well you can't really see much out the front of a submarine, y'know?
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Flipside on January 31, 2005, 11:51:29 am
Windscreen Wipers, I've been saying it for years...

Seriously though, one Ping would have saved 'em, it not like rocks lurk around waiting to mug passing Submarines ;)
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Nico on January 31, 2005, 01:09:06 pm
Or maybe they crossed some unidentified submarine creature of doom, and they're trying to cover the fact that our oceans are actually inhabited by the spawns of the Ancient Gods.
Beware when Cthulhu opens R'lyeh's gates, he could slam the door in your face :p
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Rictor on January 31, 2005, 02:57:00 pm
Police have identified the culprit, and are working to apprehend the felon and bring him to justice. If you have any information regarding the suspect, please contact local authorities immediatly. The following picture has been issued to aid the public in identifying this dangerous criminal.

(http://www.bigthings.ca/newfound/pictures/squid1.jpg)
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Sandwich on January 31, 2005, 03:35:58 pm
Rictor, you are weird.
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: StratComm on January 31, 2005, 03:49:36 pm
Yeah passive sonar doesn't pick up non-moving objects (it only listens for other ships' drives, IIRC) so it wouldn't "see" a change in seafloor terrain.  Active sonar would have, of course, but the whole point of an attack submarine is to sneak up on its target so when on manuvers it's not actually that likely that the crew would be allowed to ping.  That said, it's actually bery fortunate that the sub hit the mountain dead-on, since there's a lot of bulkhead between the sonar cone on the nose and the pressure hull.  Had it somehow been a glancing blow, I doubt the ship would have been so lucky.
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Post by: Night Hammer on January 31, 2005, 03:51:05 pm
did anyone die in this?
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Flipside on January 31, 2005, 03:51:35 pm
No, no-one was hurt, just rather embarassed.
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: StratComm on January 31, 2005, 03:52:46 pm
No, one sailor died and another 60 injured.  It would have been from the impulse of slamming into a mountain at 30 knots, not drowning, but there were casualties.
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Flipside on January 31, 2005, 04:04:04 pm
Hmmmm... Never knew anyone died in that, that's a pity. The reports we had here said that there were no casualties :(
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Post by: InfernoGod on January 31, 2005, 09:28:54 pm
And if that's what an SRed does to your hull, you'd be ****ed if it was a BFRed. That concludes today's lesson.
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Post by: WMCoolmon on January 31, 2005, 09:33:54 pm
I wouldn't want to be on sonar duty when that happened. :blah:
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Rictor on January 31, 2005, 10:19:13 pm
Sandwich, you don't know the half of it. My alternative picture was C'thulhu, so don't even start...

;) ;)
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Corsair on January 31, 2005, 10:21:08 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Rictor
Police have identified the culprit, and are working to apprehend the felon and bring him to justice. If you have any information regarding the suspect, please contact local authorities immediatly. The following picture has been issued to aid the public in identifying this dangerous criminal.  
:lol:
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Turnsky on February 01, 2005, 01:09:02 am
i think, they're very lucky it didn't go the way of the kursk.
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: NGTM-1R on February 01, 2005, 01:26:45 am
Not really. Damage control practice is something the US Navy is religious about. Not so the Russians.

Somebody's career is over though.
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Turnsky on February 01, 2005, 01:51:40 am
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Originally posted by ngtm1r
Not really. Damage control practice is something the US Navy is religious about. Not so the Russians.

Somebody's career is over though.

well, either way, they're very lucky it didn't get any worse than it is.
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Post by: pyro-manic on February 01, 2005, 01:10:55 pm
Um, the Kursk had a torpedo explode in the forward compartment. That's a bit more severe than this...

Oh, and while I'm at it, what the hell is a "Long Ton"?? :wtf:
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Post by: Flipside on February 01, 2005, 01:52:10 pm
I thought the current thinking for the Kursk was that it had a fire which worked it's way into the Torpedo bays and that's what set them off. I think it was most of the payload that actually blew. It was mechanical failure that downed the Kursk, not human error.

A long ton is 'over a ton', I can't remember where the phrase came from, but it's sort of like a Bakers' Dozen (13).
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Post by: karajorma on February 01, 2005, 01:58:42 pm
I believe it's a imperial vs metric ton thing.

The Kursk sank cause of the idiocy of using hyrogen peroxide as a torpedo propellant and not wondering what might happen if the stuff happened to leak out onto the metal fittings in the torpedo.
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Flipside on February 01, 2005, 02:14:36 pm
That was it, it was a leaking or old torpedo that hadn't been maintained properly that caused it.
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Unknown Target on February 01, 2005, 02:15:20 pm
There's nots of hteoriesa about the Kursk, including that it was an experimental torpedo using supercavitation technology, that went haywire and blew up.

Fact is, I doubt that anything will happen more than an honorable discharge. If it wasn't on the maps, then there was nothing they could do. They were on operations, and as such, run silent. Silent does not include actively making noise so that everyone around you knows where you are. Passive sonar only picks up noise, so unless that mountain was erupting, there would be no way of seeing where it was.
Title: ooh, this will take a while in the shop
Post by: Turnsky on February 01, 2005, 05:58:51 pm
i reckon that the US Navy will now have to figure out an easier way to navigate the seabed without using active sonar.