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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: vyper on February 02, 2005, 04:38:39 pm
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S'all over. This sucks.
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It was just starting to get good too...
Thank you B&B, you suck, you killed Trek, now go die.
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That's what you get for creating a series set before all the other Star Treks and then not being original enough to do anything with the original timeframe and relying on a story set after all the other Star Treks instead.
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It gets worse.
The new Trek film will be about the Romulan War, but without any existing cast or crew... or afaik ships... or... anything we've seen before.
Basically they're trying to plug into a wider audience and it's going to suck ass as a result.
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'Dead Donkeys ready Captain'
'Stand by to Flog...'
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I'll watch a movie about the Romulan Wars .... as so long as Berman and Braga haven't laid a finger on it. Rumours going around about Paramount trying to get B5's Straczinsky to do it, but my sources are old.
If only Enterprise followed their 4rth season formula THROUGHOUT ALL SEASONS..... Enterprise could have made it. Now that its competing with Scifi's Friday lineup: StarGate-sg1, Atlantis, BSG I'm not surprised that UPS pulled the plug.
My theory, UPN made an experiement by putting Enterprise on Friday. If it's ratings survived the competition, I think It could have continued. But with BSG stealing the show with a 2.5 nielson rating, enterprise coming in last I believe, it got the boot.
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Thing was, personally, I think they should have realised that the ride was over after Voyager, they really should have started looking at options other than Star Trek.
Setting anything in the 'Old' Star-Trek universe and then changing Canon events, like the Ferengi and adding Phasers to the weapons when it was the invention of these that won the Kilngon War almost 100 years later was bound to annoy the hard-nosed fans.
The thing is, if, in 20 years time, they are still trying to pump out a series on the Stargate theme, I doubt I'd be all that interested in that either.
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I wasn't that impressed by the series in all honesty. Actually, though, this may be a good thing for the Trek franchise. A break of four or five years before a new series would probably give it a better chance. After all, TNG was almost twenty years after TOS, and it's widely regarded as one of the best series.
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Agreed, they need to take a step back, and look where they screwed up. Then get rid of B&B (Why do I always think of Brabham and Bell?).
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Season 4 is Star Trek at its best. It's probably best to quit at that point. That whole Xindi-thing killed the series, though it a few pretty cool episodes every now and then - talk about "Twilight".
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Season 4 of Enterprise will go down as one of the best Star Trek seasons ever to be sure. Alongside season 3-4 of TNG and the Dominion War of DS9.
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It has potential...
Remeber - no phasers but "just" some coll lasers, no universal translator (the stupidest thing ever), no teleport.
And this laster the whole...what?... ONE EPISODE!!!!!:mad:
Humans weren't uber, they were weak and pitifull and vulcans allmost had a heart attack after they set off into space:D
But that changed too....
And than that Temporal Cold War...it killed the show for me instantly....
so much potential..so much waste...
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so ends another atrocity :D
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Since it's picking up now what's the betting that some other network will rescue it from the void?
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Only if the pick up all the production costs. They should syndicate it instead of cancelling.
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Scifi should pick it up. that's what they're good at!
otherwise, we'll never know who the shadowy guy is!
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Mother ****er. This season has been far better than any Trek I've seen so far. They'd better be getting together some type of letter-writing campaign; this show has been too good lately to go down like this. I'm hoping that Les Moonves will step in and take some action about this. UPN never deserved anything as good as Trek; the networks sucks with a passion. I'm devastated, if not necessarily surprised, but I hope to God that something can be done. If this show goes, I have a feeling we won't see any new Trek soon, if ever.
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Enterprise was dumb and lame, and, and... and dumb.
The Grim Reaper has been sitting in a car outside the studios beeping his horn, and they ignored him. Now Star Trek is going to die with no dignity because they insisted on propping up its corpse with a lame ass series.
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Enterprise did suck for the first three seasons, but this last season has been good thanks to Cotto and it's a shame that the show will die before people have realized that it has redeemed itself.
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I didn't mind it....season one and two were pretty unspectacular....but season 3 and 4 have been really good and worthwhile overall.
Am I the only one who really liked the twisting turning temporal cold war thing. I always thought it was cool. I just wish they had done it in the future instead of in the past....then you could screw around with more things.
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I think that's really the series biggest flaw. Since they set it in the past, they had to make things lower tech than TOS, and failed horribly at that. Mind you, I'm still betting on the whole alternate time line thing, so that continuity isn't affected, but I'll guess we won't know about that until we get another series or something.
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Another series?! Come now, good sir! Do you have your wits about you? This is becoming like a zombie movie, except with a TV show instead of dead people. Everything must come to an end; Star Trek has to be taken out back and shot in the head to end its pain.
They should try creating something new for a change.
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I don't mean any time soon. I was thinking in about ten years or so. A refresh period, like between TOS and TNG. Hopefully, though, not like the gap between Return of the Jedi and the Phantom Menace.
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There is still potential for Trek as a liscense, but they need to break the self-imposed limits and also make something with a clear storyline.
Say a 100 episode series where a more or less independent city-like starship (like the Ent D was supposed to be...) with all of the bells and whistles we see in the Trek universe (slipstream, ablative armor, transphasic torps, you name it) winds up doing inter-galactic travel and is involved in some large scale conflicts that could threaten even the Milky Way despite the great barrier. (The Kelvan Empire perhaps?)
The aliens should be alien, mostly CGI, and each faction/civilization has their own unique tech basis and look different from normal Trek.
...and the ship is able to return to the Federation to avoid Voyager/Atlantis syndrome.
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Atlantis syndrome is supposed to end at the end of season 1. The story apparently wasn't meant to always be that Atlantis was cut off from Earth...but it was something to be done for at least one season and have them stand on their own.
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What you've proposed is a great idea-- for an entirely new show.
Why does it have to be Star Trek? People are coming up with all these great ideas for new science fiction shows, but trying to cram them into the framework of a universe whose canon has already been raped without lube to make way for add-ons. Someone should take these ideas and have the guts to do what Gene Roddenberry did: CREATE A NEW UNIVERSE.
(TNG was by far the best, by the way.)
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this has officially ruined my day.
I seriously hope that Sci Fi picks this up like they did SG1
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I thought the whole Xindi thing was hokey, but it certainly made the series more lively. The last two seasons have been the best. Sad and a shame that it's going now.
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the vulcan (episode) trilogy in season 4 of enterprise - best.trek.ever
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I'm going to hold out for DS9's last season as best, but I was really starting to like this...which is a long way from the foaming-at-mouth hatred I originally held for it.
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I never really got into DS9, as I was alienated by the early seasons.
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One of the first posts on /. was:
"Sam, thank God I found you! Ziggy says there's a 98% chance you've messed up the timeline and pissed off the fans. You've got to fix it before you can leap".
:lol:
I'd actually watch that one, too. :D
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Originally posted by Ford Prefect
CREATE A NEW UNIVERSE.
(TNG was by far the best, by the way.)
Which isnt actually hard....except for the fact that it isnt actually hard to create a new universe that sucks in comparision to the big ones already out? To create an entirely new one that appeals as much as the ones out now would be pretty hard.....
.....but still do-able.
*has an interesting idea........
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They should replace Phlox with a Dean Stockwell character that has a backstory with Archer(yes I know he's already been on as an alien warden), then it will be Trek in the old style with The Captain, The Doctor(Trip doesn't count, although he is my favorite. his accent is a little to southern for Florida, though I'd believe Georgia or, God forbid, Alabama) and the Vulcan
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TNG the best? Spare me. Picard was too proper, too by-the-book, too...French (yet with a British accent?) :p My favorite might have to be the original; there's nothing like watching William Shatner woo green alien chicks and get into fistfights with Gorn. He was the type of rough-and-ready guy that really seemed like a convincing captain; as much as I like Patrick Stewart, Picard always let too much of the Shakespearean actor show through. I haven't seen enough of DS9 to make a proper judgment; it seems to be good, though. Trials and Tribble-ations, anyone? :)And...shocker of shockers...I very much enjoyed Voyager. :p This fourth season of Enterprise, though, has been simply phenomenal. These bastards don't know what they're writing off.
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As I don't understand networks and their relation to series', can anyone explain what the chances are, and what would have to heppen for, another channel - SciFi, let's say - to pick the series up? Also, how likely is Scott Bakula's past history (Quantum Leap) to affect a decision by the SciFi channel?
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There's a good example of a sci-fi series picked up by another channel - B5's last season. Though - where should Enterprise be taken? There's simply not much room to tell a story, except maybe the romulan wars. But what's the fun with fighting an enemy you won't ever see face-to-face for maybe several seasons? The 'first contact' with the Romulans was made by Kirk's Enterprise.
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Email for Mr. Leslie Moonves who oversees UPN:
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Email forDawn Ostroff, President, and Eric Kim, Programming Director of UPN c/o:
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E-mail them NOW[/i].
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The funny thing is, this show was STILL the highest rating show on UPN.
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Originally posted by mitac
There's a good example of a sci-fi series picked up by another channel - B5's last season. Though - where should Enterprise be taken? There's simply not much room to tell a story, except maybe the romulan wars. But what's the fun with fighting an enemy you won't ever see face-to-face for maybe several seasons? The 'first contact' with the Romulans was made by Kirk's Enterprise.
Even better... Stargate SG-1 was ditched by Showtime after two seasons and then picked up by Sci-Fi.
As for a better home for Enterprise... I'm torn between Sci-Fi and syndication.
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Emails sent. :)
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As I don't understand networks and their relation to series', can anyone explain what the chances are, and what would have to heppen for, another channel - SciFi, let's say - to pick the series up? Also, how likely is Scott Bakula's past history (Quantum Leap) to affect a decision by the SciFi channel?
Enterprise has been pretty controversial among fans. If this were just some not-so-well-known series with Bakula his past history might influence it, in this case, I suspect it'll be more of a series-based decision. Sci-Fi does show TOS, but SpikeTV shows DS9 and TNG. SpikeTV seems more like where Enterprise would end up.
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Of course one thing that should be taken into consideration, is that Enterprise is, despite a budget cut after the 3rd season, still a very expensive show. B5's budget was, if memory serves me, roughly 900 000$ per episode, and SG-1 had a budget of roughly 1.4 M when it was picked up by Sci-Fi ('tis bigger now). Enterprise ran at over 2M before the budget cut, and is now at some 1.6-1.7 M (even though the actual price a network, such as UPN has to pay Paramount for one episode has been reduced to 800 000$, but as this is more than two times smaller than the actual cost of an episode, it is highly unlikely that Paramount would continue selling the show at this price, even if another network should decide to pick it up), and Sci-Fi already has three high-budget shows (SG-1, Atlantis and the new BSG), so it is highly unlikely that they have the money to pay for Enterprise.
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Finally. The Trek horse died about 10 years ago. They should really stop beating it.
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Originally posted by Stunaep
Of course one thing that should be taken into consideration, is that Enterprise is, despite a budget cut after the 3rd season, still a very expensive show. B5's budget was, if memory serves me, roughly 900 000$ per episode, and SG-1 had a budget of roughly 1.4 M when it was picked up by Sci-Fi ('tis bigger now). Enterprise ran at over 2M before the budget cut, and is now at some 1.6-1.7 M (even though the actual price a network, such as UPN has to pay Paramount for one episode has been reduced to 800 000$, but as this is more than two times smaller than the actual cost of an episode, it is highly unlikely that Paramount would continue selling the show at this price, even if another network should decide to pick it up), and Sci-Fi already has three high-budget shows (SG-1, Atlantis and the new BSG), so it is highly unlikely that they have the money to pay for Enterprise.
Sci-Fi wouldn't be alone in paying for it. There are networks in non-US countries that pay for shows as well. [/duh]
SkyOne in the UK probably pays a good chunk for SG-1, especially considering they're airing new episodes 5 weeks ahead of Sci-Fi. Still, WMCoolmon is right... it would probably have a better chance of ending up on SpikeTV... or better yet, in syndication.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Emails sent. :)
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ENTERPRISE NEEDS TO LIVE!!!!
season 3 Xindi conflict ROCKED and god damnit i like star trek :(
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Then email them bastards, damnit!!!11111oneoneoneshiftone
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the problem with the last two treks is the characters were very poor. the average federation type seemslike a chicken**** wussie. tos had some intresting character interaction, i still get cracked up by the interactions between mcoy spock and kirk. those 3 were inseperable. infact tos didnt have a single regular character i didnt like.
the tng characters were not as good as the first but at least they didnt totally suck. data's character was good untill the movies started coming out, giving him his emotion chip really screwed up his character. but during the series he was unique. everyones first impression was hey its another spock but its still vastly a diferent personality. worf was an interesting character just by the fact that he was a klingon. kinda unlocked the secrets of a former enemy. it was really cool when ds9 picked him up for the dominion war. cheif obrian was cool as well, its always nice to have a tough irish guy on any show. picard was ok his strong point was his acting skill though. and of course troy and crusher, because every scifi show nedes some hotties. i met troy at a trek convention a great many years ago. damn shes hot.
then ds9, which had some good secondary characers. quark was intresting but it took a couple seasons for his character to grow on me. i was kinda disapointed that the series never went up against the borg, save the pilot which showed the battle of wolf359, id have liked to seen sisco on a rematch. sisco's character was ok, nothing spectacular. garak was one of my favorites, as he always had a secret. the interactions between bashir worf and obiran were much reminicent of the kirk, spock, mccoy relationship, firendly but always trying to show eachother up.
then of course voyager, which didnt have a single character i liked. even 7 of 9, who aside from being a hottie seemed like they were doing the worf thing over again. vulcan characters were a bad idea for two reasons. the first being is that you could never top spock, the second is that generally they have very boring personalities, you can only take so much logic before you get tired of it.
enterprise i didnt even watch long enough to learn the names of all the characters. it seems like they were trying to rip off the best characters from all the other series.
when you look at b5, stargate, or bsg, even the new atlantis, the characters are all good. i was suprised how fast the atlantis crew grew on me. that mckay is halarious, reminds me of a boss i once had. a perfect example of how a wussie character can be a cool addition if done properly. one of the reasons crusade flopped was because the characters were lacking. now its treks turn to get the same wakeup call.
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then of course voyager, which didnt have a single character i liked.
I might not like Voyager, but the guy who played Tuvok played a perfect Vulcan role IMHO. He wasn't meant to emulate Spock because Spock wasn't a real Vulcan, Tuvok was. Comparing the two is just stupid.
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Besides, Tuvok was a laugh in the out-takes...
'Man, I aint going in there!' LOL
Not to mention the 1:20 long 'Phaser shot' scene ;)
That said, it would be intersting to see a series based about the Marquis and the private war against the Cardassians, but I don't see that happening because someone is bound to accuse it of gloryfying terrorism.
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Look at it this way, the BBC banned an episode of TNG because Data made a one line reference to the IRA "winning".
The annoying part is it meant we missed a very good speech to Crusher by one of the terrorists.
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Actually, I saw/acquired that particular one, I remember the speech as well, kinda ironic really ;)
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Originally posted by Flipside
Besides, Tuvok was a laugh in the out-takes...
'Man, I aint going in there!' LOL
Not to mention the 1:20 long 'Phaser shot' scene ;)
Yes, that was indeed hilarious :lol:
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a series about klingons would be teh r0xXorZ
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id like a series set in the enterprise c era. or one with captain sulu on the uss excelsior, but sulu is a little old :D
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But slightly caca, I mean who would the viewer relate to? Show become popular because the viewers develop an emotional attachment to one or more of the characters(it doesn't have to be a "positive" emotion either). The only characters I even remotely like on the show are Trip(p?), Hoshi and Shran when he shows up(he manages to upstage everyone when he walks in the room:D ) and none of them have the depth of Londo Molari from B5. The rest of them are just "meh!". That said, this season thing were begining to turn around, with the short arcs and the realization of pieces of the backstory(though slightly out of place temporally), Enterprise was getting good and leaveing it's truly awful 1st and 2nd seasons in the dust. The only problem left was the over-moralizing the captain and others seem to do ad hominem.
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If you ever mention the Enterprise C again I'll hurt you. Especially with those uniforms with the missing white collar!
Enterprise had great potential and it was finally being exploited. This is the end people, Paramount will squeeze every last pop-culture version of Trek out over the next five years and that's it - the great bird will be officially spinning in his grave (or rather his ionized ashes will crackly violently around the sun).
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trek uniforms have always looked gay. all those bright colors, ewe. they should wear something like the police uniforms in mad max :D
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hehehehe I think the general idea was to give the opposite impression ;)
The uniform colours were sort of a carry-over from TOS, which filmed in the time of phsychadelia and tastelessness. ;)
I think they'd have done better with a darker uniform with just a single band of colour to denote their job :)
When you're in Space, you shouldn't clash lovey ;)
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Hey, the film uniforms from II onwards were very cool. They looked quite smart.
So what if we lost the short, low cut, female yeoman's outfi.... aww **** they should bring them back.
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Originally posted by Flipside
hehehehe I think the general idea was to give the opposite impression ;)
The uniform colours were sort of a carry-over from TOS, which filmed in the time of phsychadelia and tastelessness. ;)
I think they'd have done better with a darker uniform with just a single band of colour to denote their job :)
When you're in Space, you shouldn't clash lovey ;)
So basically the First-Contact/Enterprise style outfits? :p
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even the fc and later ds9 uniforms looked gay. i liked the dress uniforms used in insurection they actually had a navy look to them. trek changes the uniforms too much. most military uniforms have changed little in the last century. but it is a tv show/movie and gay people need jobs too. iirc an episode of crusade made fun of this phenomenon. replacing the awesome ea uniforms with those really gay trekish ones (another reason crusade failed).
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We could go for alternate universe. It's worked for the Gundam series for all these years, so go and set a show in roughly Enterprise B era, keep the general framework, and then have fun with it. That way, we also get to use the cool Wrath of Kahn-era uniforms...
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Starfleet rocked during that period - so much more agressive and they still even had real beer.
erm...
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That is true. Synthehol was one of the ****tier ideas from Next Generation. Scotty had it right when he refused to drink it in Relics...
Scott: Laddie, I was drinking scotch a hundred years before you were born. And I can tell you that whatever this is, it is definately not scotch.
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You know, one thing has concerned me about that period in the Federations existence....
How many blobby/gaseous/spongey lifeforms did they make extinct? I mean, they encounter all sorts of wierd space-faring life-forms, kill them, and then you never see those life-forms again in any series. Worf even said that Tribbles were extinct. Even guys like the Harga and the Medusans vanish... :nervous:
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You don't think all that Federation indoctrination is for nothing do you? ;)
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Originally posted by Tiara
I might not like Voyager, but the guy who played Tuvok played a perfect Vulcan role IMHO. He wasn't meant to emulate Spock because Spock wasn't a real Vulcan, Tuvok was. Comparing the two is just stupid.
He did a little too good of a job as a Vulcan since Tuvok had zero personality or real interest as a character. He was too together except for the episodes where they had him go crazy, alienated, etc.
Personally with Enterprise I would have had T'Pol act more like Tuvok, being the one together person while all of the rest of the Vulcans acted... un-Vulcan like up until an event in the show like the episode this season.
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Well, I think the image of the Vulcans portrayed in Enterprise is of a race that hasn't quite perfected the whole non-emotion thing yet. I think that's deliberate to try and show how they have matured with the Federation.
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Before I forget, an MSNBC poll:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6902611
Every little thing helps. Even if you hate Enterprise, supporting it I think would be a good thing as it means there's some variety of scifi shows and fewer 'reality' TV shows on :p
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Y'know, they missed an amazing chance with Enterprise, they should have called the young inexperienced Vulcan T'Pau, that would have created a nice tie-in ;)
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They we going to, but at least they did eventually get her in.
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Has anyone seen 4x13 yet? I can't find it anywhere (and no, don't even think about posting where you may or may not have got it ;) )
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Uhm, it's not even been broadcasted as of yet, has it?
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I thought it was supposed to air on the 4th?
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Indeed. 4th of February, 8 PM pacific time. That's another four hours for me, if I don't mix that up.
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Ah, it aired earlier last week - appeared.... in places, about 6pm GMT. Oh well.
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TNG - rocks!
TOS - hillarious (and to think those episodes were ment ot be serious...what acting....what props...what story!)
DS9 - good battles, crappy show. Bad charachters, plot holes the size of a galaxy
VOY - black hole of Trek
ENT - potetntial that has been massacred.
they should make a new universe.. it's not that hard for christs sake!
Meh..if it were up to me I would use far more science and farless fiction.. todays shows with all those universla translators, energy beings and body stealing, time travel and uber-beings really piss me off...
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DS9 - good battles, crappy show. Bad charachters, plot holes the size of a galaxy
Well, I guess it's a matter of taste wether you like the show or not, but saying that the characters were bad is simply untrue.
Sisko - While not the best character in Trek, he is more realistic then about 99% of all other characters. He shows actual Human traits like anger, grief, love and much more. he is without a doubt one of the most realistic Humans (:p) on the show.
Worf - well, whats to say. He and Martok are the only klingons i like :p
Garak - Simply *THE BEST* character ever to appear in any trek show ever.
Quark - The first decently played Ferengi.
Odo - Well, whats to say. his character development was pretty much very good. Not to mention his personal story arc.
Dax - Pretty well portrait character if you ask me. The whole 7 lifetimes was well done. though she was still one of the least liked characters IMHO.
Weyoun - C'mon! The guy did a perfect job here. All kinds of different Weyouns and perfectly played with slight differences in character.
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Also, plot holes? What plot holes?
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garak is just as intresting in person, met him at my 3rd trek convention. i got his autograph somewhere. i cant remember any of the actors names anymore.
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STAR TREK!!!!!!!
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Yeah it's a show.
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i was just yelling the title :)
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(http://www.ralentz.com/old/sci-fi/star-trek/makeitso.gif)
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:wtf: now that was a disturbing picture Ford
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:lol:
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thats sick. :D
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i liked voyager
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Originally posted by Tiara
Well, I guess it's a matter of taste wether you like the show or not, but saying that the characters were bad is simply untrue.
Sisko - While not the best character in Trek, he is more realistic then about 99% of all other characters. He shows actual Human traits like anger, grief, love and much more. he is without a doubt one of the most realistic Humans (:p) on the show.
Worf - well, whats to say. He and Martok are the only klingons i like :p
Garak - Simply *THE BEST* character ever to appear in any trek show ever.
Quark - The first decently played Ferengi.
Odo - Well, whats to say. his character development was pretty much very good. Not to mention his personal story arc.
Dax - Pretty well portrait character if you ask me. The whole 7 lifetimes was well done. though she was still one of the least liked characters IMHO.
Weyoun - C'mon! The guy did a perfect job here. All kinds of different Weyouns and perfectly played with slight differences in character.
Also, plot holes? What plot holes?
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I ment MAIN charachters...
Of course Quark and Garak are interesting!
And Worf? I like his charachter, but he is a TNG tag-a-long. They took his char from TNG and put him trough the same orderals as before (loosing a women he loves, loosing and regaining honour...). I just call that bad writing to re-use the charachter tht way..
Sisko...hem..He was showing a bit too much anger and was acting too wild to make a belivable captain. Starfleet Command would never tolerate behaviour like that.. I mean, he poisioned the whole planet full of women and children for Christs' sake!
Dax, Odo - not bad, alltough I hated the idea of shpachangers and simbionts in teh stomach. they don't make much sense.
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Don't get me wrong, DS9 had some good charachters, but there were too few of them, and the plot holes were terrible and there were too many to count....
I can name a few if you realyl insist, but even if you somehow manage to disprove them all (and you won't), that's just the tip of the iceberg...
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*wonders what would happen happen if Star Trek, Star Gate, and Freespace combined together* :nervous:
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i wish somone would make freespace the series :D that would be cool.
another trek idea: star trek: defiant, with captain worf :D
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Originally posted by TrashMan
Don't get me wrong, DS9 had some good charachters, but there were too few of them
Did you even watch DS9? :wtf: It had by far the most recurring characters of any Trek series:
An incomplete list...
The Female Founder
Weyoun
Dukat
Damar
Rom
The Grand Nagus
Nog
Brunt
Garak
Morn
Kai Winn
Vedek Bareil
Keiko O'Brien
Yoshi and Molly O'Brien
Vic Fontaine
Admiral Ross
Sloan
Martok
Joseph Sisko
Etc., etc., etc. And they were all developed extremely well (even Molly O'Brien).
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Too few GOOD and belivable charachters...
Kira and Sisko being the ones that one one in their right mind would tolerate on such high positions. I don't need to get inot details, since I don't have the whole night anaway...
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[q]And they were all developed extremely well (even Molly O'Brien).[/q]
If I were a pervert I'd make a joke about that statement...
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Did you even watch DS9? :wtf: It had by far the most recurring characters of any Trek series:
An incomplete list...
The Female Founder
Weyoun
Dukat
Damar
Rom
The Grand Nagus
Nog
Brunt
Garak
Morn
Kai Winn
Vedek Bareil
Keiko O'Brien
Yoshi and Molly O'Brien
Vic Fontaine
Admiral Ross
Sloan
Martok
Joseph Sisko
Etc., etc., etc. And they were all developed extremely well (even Molly O'Brien).
it was the secondary characters that kept ds9 in buisness. it would have went the way of enterprise on its primary characters alone. all the treks had secondary characters but not as many as ds9 did, and not to the same quality. the war really helped the show too. made it one of the nicer treks if you perfered space battles over all that libral hippie duche morality crap which they kinda overdid in the few episodes of enteprise i saw.
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The last few episodes of Enterprise have had a nice mix of space battles and "that libral hippie duche morality crap."
Which is probably what Trek should be, a mix of these things while using the existing universe as much as possible. Avoiding the forehead of the week species.
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Originally posted by Nuke
i wish somone would make freespace the series :D that would be cool.
another trek idea: star trek: defiant, with captain worf :D
Another series idea that was actually in early development at Paramount LONG before they decided to kill Enterprise and shelve everything in the works: Star Trek: Titan. The series would have started immediately after Nemesis on Captain Riker's USS Titan, with a few familiar characters from the "A Time to..." pre-Nemesis novel miniseries and the DS9 relaunch novels.
This one at least was saved... at a remove. It was adapted for novels, and a preview chapter for the first book was added in the last "A Time to..." book. Sounds interesting.
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Originally posted by Ashrak
i liked voyager
As did I. I never understand all the flak it takes. To me, Janeway is much more of an authentic Trek captain than Picard is (yes, I know I'm going to take flak for that, but I stand by it :p). What I really don't understand is the people who adore one series and are lukewarm/intensely dislike the others. To me, being a real Trek fan means liking all of the series/movies. If I see any Trek on when I'm flipping through channels, I don't go any further. :)
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Woooha. 4x13 "United" was yet another awesome episode from Manny Coto.
I cannot begin to describe how much more sad I am at this getting cancelled after watching this latest episode.
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Tell me about it. They're finally getting up to the precursors to the Federation, plus the start of agression with the Romulans, and that's when they decide to cancel it. It isn't ****ing fair. :(
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Right my little *****es - start signing: http://www.startrekfans.net/petition/index.php
And start e-mailing: www.saveenterprise.com
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Petition signed!
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http://www.killenterprise.com/
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uhm
they ****ed up in the last ep of ent .... inertial dampeners offline and going to warp = wet stains on the wall :)
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Originally posted by Ashrak
uhm
they ****ed up in the last ep of ent .... inertial dampeners offline and going to warp = wet stains on the wall :)
They also have inertial stabilizers. Perhaps these are two seperate things. One for impulse and one for warp.
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Alternatively it was another classic trek slip up ;)
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Originally posted by Ashrak
uhm
they ****ed up in the last ep of ent .... inertial dampeners offline and going to warp = wet stains on the wall :)
That ship *was* pulling some Gs.
However since the Treknobabble for warp drive is that it's not actual acceleration to FTL, they might not be turned into pancakes when going into warp. They might just facing the force exerted by the impulse engines.
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inertial dampeners are for wussies :D
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It's what they get for putting it on Friday night. They probably lost half the audience for that, at least in my area. Too bad, it was starting to get good. Someone said it had the best ratings on UPN? Is there valid evidence somewhere?
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That's the trick. Enterprise could've owned wednesday nights, with the exception of Smallville, there was nothing to attract the almighty 18-30 demographic, all they had to do was move it an hour. On friday nights however, it's competing against JAG, SG-1, and a couple of others. It's downright dumb, because these shows were established in their timeslots and were basically a Juggernaut, against which Enterprise with it's floundering story and somewhat earned rep for not being particularly entertaining, couldn't win against in the continuous battle for that almighty 18-30 demo.
If they moved it back to friday nights, it could own.
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they should make a new universe.. it's not that hard for christs sake!
Well it's easy do universe that don't interest anyone but it's hard to do interesting universe that has lot story behind it....
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Originally posted by Liberator
If they moved it back to friday nights, it could own.
Wait, you mean back to Wednesday nights? :nod:
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Yeah...:imafool: