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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Swamp_Thing on February 03, 2005, 05:21:36 am
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Any of you guys watch the WWE wrestling show? Like Taboo Tuesday, New Year´s Revolution, and all that crap? I don´t watch it much, but just now i was working with TS a bit, and the TV was on and the show was on. Well, the show i saw today is probably a couple of weeks old. Anyway, today they made a "debate", between the commentators and a couple of arabs, Hassan and some other dude. Anyone saw it?
Well, i´m at a loss for words, explaining what happened to those who didn´t watch. You´d had to see it to believe it.
Basiclly, what happened was they just found a new and improved way to get americans to hate arabs, on TV!
I really don´t get this. Why on earth would anyone want to present such an idiotic thing on TV, for millions to see? Are the WWE people really that dumb and racist, willing to jeopardy the already thin threaded relation between arab-americans and white americans?
I was revolted watching it. I was sick to my stomach. And most of all, i´m at a loss as to how those two idiots that played the role of angry arabs ever accepted to play such a part. Don´t they realize they just helped to kill some poor arab shopkeeper somewhere in America because of it?
I know american TV airs a lot of garbage, but today i´ve seen it reach a pinnacle of stupidity. Maybe wrestling is only watched by dumb red necks, and they think it´s ok to pull such a stunt, but they are messing with a serious business here. People might get hurt over this.
:wtf: :mad:
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Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
Are the WWE people really that dumb and racist
Yes.
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You saw it?
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Ever seen that French Tag Team that was (or still is, I dunno cuz I don't follow it) pretty much hated all-around? :p
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Originally posted by Tiara
Ever seen that French Tag Team that was (or still is, I dunno cuz I don't follow it) pretty much hated all-around? :p
What the french team had doesn´t come even close to what happens with these 2 arabs.
For those who didn´t see it, i will try to paint a picture of what happened:
Last week, these 2 arab fighters came in, and started insulting the commentators, saying americans were racists and anti-arab, and called the US troops in Iraq "cowards". So, they "decided" to have a debate between the arabs and the commentators.
So, today they had their debate. Basically more of the same, the arabs saying americans are racists, that arabs are suffering at the hands of americans, etc etc. During this time, the crowd is chanting "USA USA" , and calling the arabs "assholes". Then the commentators step in, a little more name calling, tough talk, etc etc. And the public vibrates. And then the arabs start beating the crap out of the commentators, while the crowd gets all worked up. There were guys in the audience foamming at the mouth.
Basically that was it. Remember, this was all theater. But how many people who saw it, will start hating arabs for it?
"Oh, those poor commentators, beaten by those evil arabs... Let´s beat the living crap of those towell heads!"
They painted all arabs like criminals, thugs, freedom haters and America haters. How many left that arena that day, just aking to beat the shiit out of the next dark skinned guy they come across with? Note that the show took place in a southern state, i think it was Mississipi. Now imagine how many white supremacy red necks were there watching, and are now feeling like their hatread for arabs was vindicated because of that...
I give up.
:wtf:
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Dude, its wrestling. You're not meant to take it seriously.
Thats like saying you're surprised and insulted that clowns have red noses. Being on the mental level of a 6 year old is part of the job description. These are half naked men who pretend to beat each other up on national television. Its your own fault for having expectations.
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Originally posted by Rictor
Dude, its wrestling. You're not meant to take it seriously.
Dude, you would be unpleasantly surprised how many numbnuts take this stuff seriously. And most people who DON'T take it seriously are easily influenced.
It's propaganda. Pure and simple.
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You see, the thing is that certain racist 'puritan' shows don't think theres enough racism in the world. While a black can still walk down the street with his head held high, there will always be small minded tossers, who have exactly the same rights, who nonetheless resent him for it.
This doesn't really surprise me all that much, I'm amazed the caricature hasn't emerged more to be honest, It's difficult to justify hating someone who is a complete pauper and lives thousands of miles away, it's a lot easier to create a stereotype and hate that instead.
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Swamp. I saw it. It came on tv not two days ago. I wasn't really watching it per se, since its on Subtv (local channel) all the time and I leave my tv on when I surf, I just happened to watch it. Quite shocking actually that they decided to do it. Thankfully everyone here in Finland knows its fake, but all those in the audience during that thing.... Wow... They were cheering "USA USA USA" When they were called racists. Uuuhmmm... :nervous: Though WWE is senseless fun none the less. John CENA!!!
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Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
Maybe wrestling is only watched by dumb red necks,
i know alot of people who watch wrestling, mostly Hispanics, in fact, demographics will show you that wrestling is actually geared more toward the minorities.
Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
Now imagine how many white supremacy red necks were there watching
Maybe this statement sounds to me like "all people in the south are racist." I'm sorry but that is exactly what i correlate when i read that.
I don't watch wrestling, .....but alot of people that you would call rednecks want my Dale Earnhardt bed sheets. Nascar is the sport watched by the people that you would call rednecks, wrestling caters to the minority groups.
Redneck has become synonymous with cowboy, and white southerner. Generally used as you used it, as a slur. Ends up nearly a racial remark. I am a white guy who lives in the southwest, i watch nascar, i don't watch wrestling. Am i redneck because of where i live and the sport i watch?
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I doubt he was calling YOU a redneck. He was probably calling the white supremists watching it, red necks.
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I think anyone who can't see through the gauze of propoganda is to blame here, whether they be rednecks or not.
It's easy to put the tag 'Redneck' and 'White Supremists' on people who are simply too stupid to think any other way than the TV tells them. But where does that racism and prejudice begin? It's not with the people watching the show.
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You see nature had a cure for stupidity... then we introduced health and safety...
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I saw that too. It really suprised me that they could show such thing on the TV. I guess its one way to get the TV audience to watch their stinkin show
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Well, if you say "All white people are money-grabbing *****es!", the show gets cancelled in the US. Funny that...
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Originally posted by Tiara
Well, if you say "All white people are money-grabbing *****es!", the show gets cancelled in the US. Funny that...
:lol: thats true
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See, you call them dumb for doing it, I call YOU dumb for watching it, at least the wrestlers get paid.
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Hello, WWE fan here :)
While I agree Muhammed Hassan is a rubbish character and certainly has stereotyped overtones (he uses the camel clutch for submisison, for ****'s sake), he's simply the result of a rubbish attempt by the WWE writers to promote racial tolerance.
If you actually watch the shows of late, you'll hear JR and the King repeatedly state that Hassan and his 'manager' Davari DO NOT represent the views of the average arab-american.
But in fact none of that matters. Hassan is what we technically term a 'heel'. That is to say, it's his job to be a hated character. In a year or so, if he's still employed by the company, he'll undergo a 'face' turn and become a fan favourite. That's just how wrestling works.
So far, Hassan hasn't given me concern to give much of **** about him. Yes, he's physically very impressive but he's yet to show us any particularly flash moves. But for the record I have a lot of respect now for Rene Dupree, a French Canadian who was part of the 'French' tag team La Resiatance. Dupree was split off from the group and is now doing rather well as a solo heel. He's under-used by the writers, but that's common for a mid-card talent. But my point is that Hassan will be respected on the basis of his wrestling and microphone skills - if he ever deigns to show any.
Oh, and as Rictor mentioned - it's just wrestling. It's not real ;)
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is booker t still around? back in the day when i used to watch wcw he was my favorite..
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Well phuck me sideways, I never thought I'd see a character study on a wrestler.
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Originally posted by Night Hammer
is booker t still around? back in the day when i used to watch wcw he was my favorite..
Yes, he's recently been teaming with Eddie Gurrero and challenging for the tag titles (the champions keep cheating, though ;))
Originally posted by 01010
Well phuck me sideways, I never thought I'd see a character study on a wrestler.
You know there is more to it than naked men slapping each other :nod:
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I guess I'll just know my role and shut my hole...
;)
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
You know there is more to it than naked men slapping each other :nod:
All the same, I'd rather not.
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Eh, I read your description, and rather than saying "OMG! I HATE T3H A-RABS!!111oneoneone", I went "Well...all the bad stuff that they were saying to make them look bad--the sad part is that a lot of it's true"
So instead of thinking it's racist, I was thinking it was liberal media! :D
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That was liberal? ****in Fox standards liberal maybe :lol: ;)
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I think that what's really important is that this year's Royal Rumble was won last week by Batista. I had a flash of inspiration today. Batista may indeed jump from RAW to SmackDown and defeat JBL for the WWE title, but then he could challenge Triple H for the world heavy weight championship and become the NEW undisputed champion! Now that would rock :D
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You lost me at "who watches wrestling."
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^ Big Sweary Dave Batista ^
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One eye is bigger than the other.
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I think he's making a vague attempt at the People's Eyebrow... in any case, he's going to be champ before too long. And his entrance music kicks arse :nod:
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so he's a fakeass the Rock
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:wtf: Um, no?
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You know DG, there are places for people who like to watch big sweaty men wrestle.
"Its fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A"
Personally I think they should introduce a Grizzly bear to WWE, I'd pay per view that mother****er any day of the week.
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Never ever mock the YMCA song! That's a party classic!
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Is it me, or does he have ears that could break his neck in a heavy draught?
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Or he could fly out the ring...
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Originally posted by vyper
Never ever mock the YMCA song! That's a party classic!
Man what what parties do you go to?:wtf:
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British ones, the song isn't quite so stereotyped here :)
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The straight kind. Chicks dig guys who can have a laugh.
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You think acting gay gets you women? It most assuredly does. After a liberal dose of GHB too. Yeah, that works.
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Christ mate I'm secure enough about my hetrosexuality that one ****ing sing along to the YMCA doesn't bother me.
:rolleyes:
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All this talk has made me want to actually watch the damn thing, to see what all the fuss is about.
Anyone have a reasonably sized torrent or somesuch?
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I wouldn't bother, the 'debate' was a rubbish section which wasted a lot of perfectly good wrestling time.
Incidentally, for those of you with the fat men slapping each other stereotyped image, try looking up a Rey Mysterio or Paul London match. They're ****ing kickass cruiserweights who fly all over the ring, doing flips and ****. Or watch TNA some time, all their matches are gobsmacking with 20ft falls and triple moonsaults and what not. Proper acrobatic ****.
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WWE is the male soap opera. Pure and simple. Its fun to watch off handedly. I always cheer the under dogs. Cena is fun, but my fave would probably be Ray Mysterio. :D
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The TNA guys make Mysterio look half-assed. AJ Styles is unbelievable. Unfortunately we don't get up-to-date TNA over here...
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*always preferred WCW to WWF, er, E*
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There's rumours of WWE making a new ECW show. The idea would be to have some of the former E-C-Dub guys get disgruntled and 'leave' WWE under Paul Heyman. They'd then appear in a one hour TV slot and try to push up the company's ratings with the resulting 'competition'
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Originally posted by vyper
Christ mate I'm secure enough about my hetrosexuality that one ****ing sing along to the YMCA doesn't bother me.
:rolleyes:
I would think that you wouldn't have been taking that too seriously, I mean, I was also talking about date rape.
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Also, interesting note, I used to work for a company that supplied evidence for the trial for the WWF (Wrestling) V WWF (Animal Charity) name trademark court case thingy.
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Good, now we've all established our manhood, let's make like Hippies! :D
< Hugs a Tree >
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< cuts down Flip's tree >
Erm, sorry I thought you said make like loggers... my bad.
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Originally posted by vyper
< cuts down Flip's tree >
Erm, sorry I thought you said make like loggers... my bad.
*smacks vyper with the blunt side of her axe*
I have a patent on cutting things down damnit!
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< Nails Tree back up >
If you're in a chopping down mood, better it than me... :nervous:
Oh, and Vyper, you've done it now....
You mentioned....Lumberjacks!
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I never wanted to do this in the first place! I... I wanted to be... a lumberjack! Leaping from tree to tree as they float down the mighty rivers of British Columbia, with my best girl by my side!
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The Scots Pine, The Larch.... The Throatwobbler Mangrove!
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If anyone takes America as an example for the WWE wrestling crap on TV, they need to re-evaluate their stance.
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WWE Monday night Raw will be aired from japan this comming monday :D
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My favourite caracter in WWE is Eugene! Well, not really.
Anyway, the idea is that Wrestling is supposed to be entertainment. They should leave politics out of it. While i could maybe believe they were fostering racial tolerance with that stunt, they achieved the opposite. Many people who saw it got the idea that arabs are savage violent people, while americans are the poor defenseless people who get beaten up by arabs...
With that aside, of all the wrestlers i´ve seen, i think Batista is the best. And Snitsky is a possessed maniac.
:D
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The problem is that The Undertaker will get them eventually, none can survive the power of the Tombstone.:D
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Who was that one that did that stunt and died in the ring? He was my favourite.
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It was one of the...Damn it, I keep wanting to say Corin Nander, but that's the psycho moonrace MS pilot from Turn A Gundam.
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It was Brett "The Hitman" Hart or one of them anyway. I just thought it was hillarious.
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Actually, you reminded me, it was his little brother. His death is why Brett doesn't wrestle anymore.
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WWE is for pussies and trailer trash. Sumo's where it's at. Less phallocentric soap opera, more big fat guys whaling on each other. And doing it in style, no less.
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Originally posted by Stryke 9
WWE is for pussies and trailer trash. Sumo's where it's at. Less phallocentric soap opera, more big fat guys whaling on each other. And doing it in style, no less.
That was basically my point. Man I'm built for Sumo.
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Originally posted by vyper
You see nature had a cure for stupidity... then we introduced health and safety...
true...so true...
Oh..wrestling sucks... i'ts like Teletubbies for adults...
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Funnily enough, the people here dissing wrestling are largely people who I don't like. Coincidence, huh?
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If that's how you judge the people that you make friends with I'm not sure that I'd want to be part of that category.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Funnily enough, the people here dissing wrestling are largely people who I don't like. Coincidence, huh?
We love you too.
:p