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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Corsair on February 07, 2005, 10:20:22 am
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/07/soldier.demoted.ap/index.html
Ack! The apocalypse has come!! Ruuuuuuuuuuun!!!
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What the ****? I'm assuming that the people involved were off-duty when the party happened, right? So what right does the army (or the national guard or whatever) have to say what they can and can't do in their own free time? I'm sure that those of you who are old enough have been to the odd party where there has been some crazyness, no?
Although, thinking about it, there is some sort of weird aversion to nudity in America, so I shouldn't be surprised... :blah:
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It's probably some kind of paranoia about sending out the wrong message to the world. From another angle of thinking, the average American could well wonder why they're at war when soldier aren't actually fighting... they're just getting nekkid and having a bit of a mud wrestle. It doesn't exactly send out the best public relations message.
On the other hand, It's rather pathetic that they demoted her for it (and - as far as I can tell - just her). There were others involved werent there? What about them?
After thinking all of this of course I reached my final conclusion of "I don't care, she won't do that again in a hurry".
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probably because she was the only female involved... and very deeply involved too
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
...thinking about it, there is some sort of weird aversion to nudity in America...
Yeah, it's called "I don't wanna see you're fat ass when I'm trying to enjoy myself at the beach". That's trite, but mostly true. But it does go deeper than that. Most of America, whether they will admit it or not, are decended in one form or another from religious groups like the Puritans, Shakers, and others who held very strict views on when and where sexuality could be allowed and where it couldn't be allowed. To them, nudity == sexuality, thus the nudity taboo's. It's makes sense when you think about it, when you're doing something and a scantily clad girl walks by can you focus on what you're doing? Or are at the very least distracted or thinking of what perverse way you're going to have you're way with her?
On topic, I think a letter of reprimand would have been sufficient. She was off duty and, unless she was engaged in some kind of hanky-panky, not doing anything that required that level of punishment. Also, the article was unclear in my reading(though I only skimmed it to get the gist), but was she naked or was she caked in enough mud so that her skivvies were "transparent"?
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ROFL They think she's sending out the wrong message?..
They just came across a bunch of men and one women all rolling around semi-dressed in the mud, and reprimanded the woman! :lol:
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Our society has a pole up its ass.
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Originally posted by Liberator
Yeah, it's called "I don't wanna see you're fat ass when I'm trying to enjoy myself at the beach". That's trite, but mostly true. But it does go deeper than that. Most of America, whether they will admit it or not, are decended in one form or another from religious groups like the Puritans, Shakers, and others who held very strict views on when and where sexuality could be allowed and where it couldn't be allowed. To them, nudity == sexuality, thus the nudity taboo's. It's makes sense when you think about it, when you're doing something and a scantily clad girl walks by can you focus on what you're doing? Or are at the very least distracted or thinking of what perverse way you're going to have you're way with her?
On topic, I think a letter of reprimand would have been sufficient. She was off duty and, unless she was engaged in some kind of hanky-panky, not doing anything that required that level of punishment. Also, the article was unclear in my reading(though I only skimmed it to get the gist), but was she naked or was she caked in enough mud so that her skivvies were "transparent"?
Depends how important the thing I'm trying to do is. :D Chances are, it's not that vital that I can't take a few moments to appreciate one of the most beautiful things on the planet. That's not a lecherous thing, either - the human body is beautiful in it's own right (apart from grossly fat ones obviously ;)) I don't need to associate certain sticky activities with it to find it appealing. Obviously I don't want to be bombarded with images of naked people all the time, but I think it shouldn't be something that people are "protected" from.
But seriously, America is supposedly all about freedom - and yet people aren't allowed to play about in the mud, by their own choice, on their own time? Someone's using double standards there. I mean, if this woman had been running down the street flashing herself at old ladies, I could understand that she'd get a punishment for indecent exposure or whatever, given that said old ladies took offence at the display. But when the woman's at a party, which is (presumably) not taking place where anyone can see, she should be allowed to do what she wants (within reason of course). I mean, if she suddenly took half her clothes off, and everyone else went "Gaaah! What are you doing!? Yuck! Put them away!!" she'd soon cover up. But as she wasn't the only one, and other people joined in, then where's the problem? If I choose to walk around my house starkers, then who has the right to say I can't? If I frollicked naked around my front garden, then chances are I'd offend someone, and I'd get a visit from the Plod, but in private I should be allowed to do so if I want (and if everyone else in the house is ok about it obviously).
Aaaanyway, I think you can see my view. But yeah, as long as the puritan types Lib mentioned are around, there'll be daft things like this happening....
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The US and Europe tend to alternate on who wants to be more conservative at the current moment. At the moment, it falls under the category of their views on sexuality, with the US far on the conservative side in this issue.