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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: TrashMan on February 13, 2005, 05:01:12 pm
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Well, I have this cruiser I was making to sorta replace the Leviathan/Faustus in Chapter 2&3 of my campaign...
Sicne I like the leviathan and it's textures 8and hte Ticonderoga looked swell) I decided to make something in that direction..
Now this is still a early WIP, since I started work on it about 2 hours ago:
(http://img141.exs.cx/img141/7787/liberty32lp.th.jpg) (http://img141.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img141&image=liberty32lp.jpg)
(http://img219.exs.cx/img219/6632/liberty11hh.th.jpg) (http://img219.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img219&image=liberty11hh.jpg)
(http://img141.exs.cx/img141/2208/liberty26uo.th.jpg) (http://img141.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img141&image=liberty26uo.jpg)
Do you think it looks better with that bump on the front and with those long side bars?
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Not bad, I just don't like the dual engines.
And I prefer with the bars and the bump.
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You might try making the engine blocks more regular; the fenris/levithan and the ticonderoga have mostly 45 degree angles back there, so it's sort of a design trend. Whether you go with it or not is up to you, but that's what we've seen work for this style design in the past.
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I like.
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Actually, since it's already been pointed out, I think it needs something else to distinguish it from Hamano's design. You may try turning the engines so that they are vertical, Homeworld Kushani style, or give it some extra superstructure. The difference in the conning tower is only going to deminish as you work on it, I fear.
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It really does look like the Ticondaroga, too like the Ticondaroga, really. StratComm's right.
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It is Ticondaroga with longer nose.
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Interesting, but the proportions just Don't Look Right (tm).
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Well, I'll work on it and see what comes out...
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It's too much like the Ticonderoga for me to say much about it. I'm not saying it's plagiarism, but it's too similar - you need to do something to it to make it yours...
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Am I the only one who didn't likt the Ticondaroga ? :nervous:
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How about this?
I am very glad that so many people know about Ticonderoga.
(http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~hamano/TEMP/fenris_vary_01_512.gif)
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Looks virtually(virtually?) identical to the Leveiafenris, in all honsty
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Is this any better?
(http://img85.exs.cx/img85/5347/liberty46rf.jpg)
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Ahh! those turrets! They're so ugly! Not to mention that they are far too large for where you've got them mounted.
And you still haven't done anything to differentiate this from the Ticonderoga. Besides the fact that Hamano's mesh looks worlds better.
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Definitely lose those turrets. You need to do something to make it different to the Tic and the LeviFenris. You can use a similar design style, yes, but this just looks the same....
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speaking of the ticonderoga, is anyone planning to high polyfy it?
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Excuse me? It's the point to look similar! I want to see you using hte same style and textures and come up wit hsomething "completely" different.
The only thing that is the similar as with the ticonderoga is the engine section. Ticonderoga has a FAR longer nose with a fenris shape, bigger and boxier towers and I think it has the same missile launcer as a Leviathan...
And yes, those turrets do look to big. They are placeholders.
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Trashman, everyone who has commented in this thread agrees that the point is to look similar. That's not what we're telling you. You need to justify a reason to be doing this. If it's a case study into the Fenris shape and how to effectively model it, then I'm obligated to say you're not doing a particularly good job; if it's to have another cruiser of that style then fine but make it unique. Right now that's anything but unique, and that's a problem. Keep spitting out "variants" and people will get tired of them, nevermind that it's not currently justifying the extra table entry. Hamano's drawing inspired me though, so I may take you up on that challenge.
Oh, and learn to take criticism better, please. You get way too defensive, way too fast, and then don't listen to anything that's said. Look at it from our perspective; this is the second time in as many weeks that I've seen you post something extremely similar to an existing ship and trying to pass it off as new.
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Aahh......you do leave me speachless StratComm...
How dare you accuse me of trying to pass something that is clearly insipred by an Leviathan/Ticonderoga (and I mentioned that) as a new and original design. I never said that.
Didn't I write at the beginning that I'm trying to make a sucessor to the leviathan for my cmpign? Thus, thatjustifies the similarities. as for the variants thing - people make variants of existing ships all the time, there's nothing wrong with that.
At least I'm trying to make mine look a bit different and to fit in with other ships I'm making.
There is a leviathan on that pic, and I can put a comparison with a Ticonderoga and you can see first hand just how different they are. You work from memory, I work with the models of other ships in the background to NOT make them the same.
And I do listen to what you're saying. Didn't I change the nose, fiddled with the engine block and didn't I say the turrets will be removed?
Anyway, I appreciate the comments you are giving, but I'm left with an impression (and I'm hope you're wrong) that you're connstantly speaking from "yon high" like you're the only one who's ever right.
Just look at some other people WIP posts and look how I answer.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I gottaa go fiddle with some of the missions...again.
*Damn power faliure! Why didnd't I SAVE!*
EDIT: Mindd you Strattie, I bear no hostility towards you whatsoever. In fact I do think highly of you and your modding skillz. But sometimes (like we all) you allso be a pain in the arse!:D
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Trashman, I am not accusing you of plagerism or anything like that. What I'm trying to get you to see is that you're getting extremely close to existing designs with where you're taking this, and I'd much rather see you incorporate your own style into this than have it, intentionally or not, follow the lines of another ship we already have. Perhaps our definitions of "different" differ to a significant degree, or something, because for all your insistance that the differences are obvious I really don't (and still don't, besides the shape of the nose) see it. You've got to be careful when you've got another model in the scene that you're trying to emulate that you don't end up emulating it too closely, or this sort of issue will come up as a result. I did pull up the Ticonderoga though for comparison, and I stand by my statement that it really is far too similar, especially from the conning towers back. I've given you suggestions as to how to make that (specifically the engines) more substantially different, all I ask is that you try them or at least try something before you decide that the way you've got them is the only way they'll work.
And I don't in any way mean to imply that my opinion on things is the only valid one. If others weren't saying the same thing I was I'd let it drop.
Oh, it's "also". I ran across more of your posts trying to find the exact syntax of the -allslev flag earlier, and I'd just like to point that out to you for future reference :)
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I personally like the design better. But those turrets are terrible..
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Honestly, I think it looks too close to the Fenris in all incarnations. It looks a bit like you've been running out of ideas midway through and looked at the Fenris' details for inspiration - the basic narrow-bump-thick engine shape, and especially the side 'outcrops'. I think part of the problem is the simplicity of the Fenris - if you're going to build the hull in the same basic shape, there's not much room to alter it.
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Originally posted by c914
It is Ticondaroga with longer nose.
Isn't the Ticondaroga the Fenris/Leviathan, but longer? At least that's what I remember.. :doubt:
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It's much sleeker then the Tico, which IMO makes it much better-looking. The Ticondaroga had this nasty bulbous bow.
My personal opinion: drop any resemblence to the Fenris/Leviathan bow and simply have it be one long seamless projection without the narrowing at the command tower or the flaring out at the end. Then call it the GTC Dagger.
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I always thought the nose of the Fenris looked "upside down" (so to speak).
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I really dunno what the hell I'm doing...
I'll try fiddling a bit more with it. I'm aware that the engines are similar to those of the ticonderoga and I did them like that becouase I like that engine concept. I'll see if I can cook something up.
Oh..the texturing I had in mind was not completely fenris-like. For instance, the lower tube-like part that connects the prow with the tower was intended to have the Deimos windows texture or something similar...
and yes, I'm aware of those typos. Nasty habit...
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(http://img147.exs.cx/img147/4619/liberty58ik.jpg)
the bump on the fron or no bump?
the recesses on the side beam or not?
the long part that connects the from with the tower or the short step like decline?
thicker octagonal part of the beam or not?
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Yes, yes, short bit and put a turret on the end, no. I prefer the engine on the second (right-hand) one as well.
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Originally posted by TrashMan
the bump on the fron or no bump?
the recesses on the side beam or not?
the long part that connects the from with the tower or the short step like decline?
thicker octagonal part of the beam or not?
Yes.
Yes.
Maybe.
Why not?
Keep it up Trashman, I'm liking. :yes: Can't wait to see what your texturing comes to be (what you have in mind). Wow that totally rhymed. Okay, I'm done now.
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Continue voting guys..you're being a great help!:D
Keep the suggestions comming.
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no bump
the recesses
the long connection
the bigger octagon
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Originally posted by brugger
no bump
the recesses
the long connection
the bigger octagon
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so far two for and two against the bump...
everyone is for the recesses...CHECK
mixed fellings about the connection..
And most want the thicker octagonal part...
OK... I just beaten KOTOR2 so I might finally gert back to work...