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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Zarax on February 16, 2005, 08:44:41 am
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http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/speeches/2005/02-15RSA05.asp
It will be Microsoft's most anticipated beta...
Most MVPs, and web-related ones even more, are readying to stress test it as soon as there will be a beta...
So, for those who like the MS browser it's time to rejoice...
Let's hope that MS will do at least a work as good as SP2 :)
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{deeply cynical}
Does it come with all new security holes?
{/deeply cynical}
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Nooo... Firefox! :D
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Originally posted by Zarax
It will be Microsoft's most anticipated beta...
//By Who?
Most MVPs, and web-related ones even more, are readying to stress test it as soon as there will be a beta...
//You mean the script kiddies just waiting to pounce on an all new version of IE with even bigger and better security gaps?
So, for those who like the MS browser it's time to rejoice...
//hahahahahaha!
Let's hope that MS will do at least a work as good as SP2 :)
//I refer you to my last comment.
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Originally posted by Zarax
Let's hope that MS will do at least a work as good as SP2 :)
:ha: Besides, I use Firefox :D
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Thanks for yout sarcasm, much obliged...
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Well, seriously, if I look at the amount of patches we get, and the amount of leaks still in there, I'm staying with Mozilla. Is there a patch for the MSN vuln out yet? Half of my class got it last night.
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Originally posted by Primus
Nooo... Firefox! :D
Nooo... Opera! :p
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Let's hope that MS will do at least a work as good as SP2
:shaking: :shaking: I hope that they have learned from past mistakes
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I did wonder when MS were going to finally respond to Firefox taking such a large share of the market.
Sadly for them the world is now a different place. Unlike Netscape I don't see the Mozilla team sitting on their hands for 2 years while MS achieve dominance again :)
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Originally posted by kasperl
Well, seriously, if I look at the amount of patches we get, and the amount of leaks still in there, I'm staying with Mozilla. Is there a patch for the MSN vuln out yet? Half of my class got it last night.
Yes, you should receive a popup in your MSN requesting if you want to update it.
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Originally posted by karajorma
I did wonder when MS were going to finally respond to Firefox taking such a large share of the market.
Sadly for them the world is now a different place. Unlike Netscape I don't see the Mozilla team sitting on their hands for 2 years while MS achieve dominance again :)
Well, they probably won't do anything except ape Firefox' more popular features anyways, and leave the security vulnerabilities that undoubtedly will emerge to be handled by that proprietary anti-virus / spyware program being developed. Which of course would layer another clump of CPU/memory usage on top of the already huge Windows requirements.
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I don't doubt that for a second Aldo. :)
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Originally posted by Zarax
Yes, you should receive a popup in your MSN requesting if you want to update it.
Nope, and due to my ISP being bollocks, I have reconnected 3 times in the last hour. Or will non-English users have to wait another week of vulnerability untill they fix it for us too?
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Try Windows Update then...
I'm not an english user but i received it a couple of days ago...
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Odds are I won't even be able to install it on the computer I'm about to build, as they'll probably do the "XP SP2 ONLY!" thing again, and I have this marked distrust of XP.
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Internet Explorer more like Internet Hazard never did like the browser to begin with :p
*is using Firefox*
Oh and btw is there a way to remove internet explorer from ones computer and that MSN messenger?
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If you disable Windows File Protection, you can delete iexplore.exe itself, but that doesn't do much. It's too well integrated with the OS to do much more.
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Ooh, so they're going to put a shiny new skin on the absolute suckage that is their "browser"? :p
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'I'm not surprised.
And yeah, I expect this next version to have tabbed browsing, or some MS substitute. I'll wait to pass judgement, they just might surprise us. Why I feel that way, I don't know, the first thing I do when I install XP is install Firefox. :p
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microsoft needs to divert some of that cash they blow on marketing and spend it on improving their product development.
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Seriously, if they're indeed going to fix the insane loopholes, they should at least name the browser IE 12, no IE 7
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Originally posted by Zarax
So, for those who like the MS browser it's time to rejoice...
Let's hope that MS will do at least a work as good as SP2 :)
Oooh....aahh...
Excuse me when I don't do the dance of joy ...you know my back is killing me.
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Sounds like a sucky new version for web developers - nothing mentioned about improved standards support, which is the only thing I care about anymore where IE is concernedl I don't have to run it, but I have to build sites for people who do. :ick:
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Standards? What are standards?....................
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MicroSlurm, now with added bubbles for improved browsing flavour!
But - get Firefox, seriously....even though I don't use Windows, and have perfectly good versions of Camino, Explorer, Mozilla, Safari, etc, Firefox is the one...
(http://www.altgame.net/imagedump/firefox.gif)
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If it still doesn't support PNGs then... uh... well I wouldn't use it anyway. But I'd be less likely to not use it if it supported PNGs properly. Slightly.
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I assume you refer to IE. I agree - PNG is a very useful format (with far higher quality than gif) with bloody great alpha features, but trying to code the alpha filter for use in I.E. is an act probably outlawed under the Geneva Convention.
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lol
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Sounds like a sucky new version for web developers - nothing mentioned about improved standards support, which is the only thing I care about anymore where IE is concernedl I don't have to run it, but I have to build sites for people who do. :ick:
Yeah like how about proper W3C standard support that every other browser implements.
Proper CSS2, XHTML, and XML support. That'd be great.
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My God, Phreak. :eek:
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Search for 'Tabbed Browsing' resulted in 0 hits on this page.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Unlike Netscape I don't see the Mozilla team sitting on their hands for 2 years while MS achieve dominance again :)
although, with all due respect, when it comes to resources, Mozilla can't even begin to compete with the multi-multi-billion dollar Microsoft giant. ;)
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Originally posted by Falcon
Oh and btw is there a way to remove internet explorer from ones computer and that MSN messenger?
yeah. if i remember correctly the older versions of windows you were stuck with internet explorer. MSN messenger you can remove on any computer though. i'll show you how if you need it :nods:
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I used to use IE.
Then I tried Mozilla....at first, it was confusing, admittedly, but after getting the hang of it...
IE was pwned. And you know what? IE 7 will be no different. It is going to get SO pwned when compared to Mozilla, it isn't even funny.
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Originally posted by Stealth
although, with all due respect, when it comes to resources, Mozilla can't even begin to compete with the multi-multi-billion dollar Microsoft giant. ;)
It's not a matter of resources though. The only field where MS has the edge is in marketing. It's a big edge admittedly but when it comes to technical matters the mozilla team have actually done a better job with much less in the way of resources.
And as I said, unlike last time they won't be sitting around doing nothing while IE7 is being worked on.
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what happens if MS buys the people or buys mozilla?
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Then we must all vow to never ever ever upgrade. :p
And we move to Opera... :nervous:
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Originally posted by übermetroid
what happens if MS buys the people or buys mozilla?
You might as well ask what happens if they bought all the oxygen in the world.
The source code to Mozilla is freely available. Someone else would just step in and take over.
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Someone mentioned Microsoft's anti-spyware offering. I am really impressed with it so far - does a better job than AdAware and Spybot at cleaning out any crap that does get through, and the automatic protection stops IE from getting hijacked. Although I hasten to add it's not developed by MS, they just bought up GIANT.
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Originally posted by Falcon
Oh and btw is there a way to remove internet explorer from ones computer and that MSN messenger?
Just drop it in the bin, then empty the bin, that's what I do with trash...
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Originally posted by karajorma
It's not a matter of resources though. The only field where MS has the edge is in marketing. It's a big edge admittedly but when it comes to technical matters the mozilla team have actually done a better job with much less in the way of resources.
And as I said, unlike last time they won't be sitting around doing nothing while IE7 is being worked on.
as far as R&D they have the edge too over Mozilla.
Here's my theory of what will happen: IE7 will be released; Microsoft knows about Mozilla, and i'm sure they're learned a lot from it and incorporated a lot into IE7. IE7 will outrank Mozilla in terms of features, security, reliability, etc. etc.
Then a few months later, after many releases and betas, Mozilla will again outdo IE7 :)
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Originally posted by PhReAk
*snip*
it never gets that bad
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Originally posted by Stealth
Here's my theory of what will happen: IE7 will be released; Microsoft knows about Mozilla, and i'm sure they're learned a lot from it and incorporated a lot into IE7. IE7 will outrank Mozilla in terms of features, security, reliability, etc. etc.
Then a few months later, after many releases and betas, Mozilla will again outdo IE7 :)
Not likely; Bill didn't mention any new user features like tabbed browsing in his keynote, only security enhancements. If they do try to integrate new features it will probably be sloppily done. Just because Microsoft has the power to do these things doesn't mean that it's gonna get done. They have market power, that's all they need.
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Originally posted by Galemp
Not likely; Bill didn't mention any new user features like tabbed browsing in his keynote, only security enhancements. If they do try to integrate new features it will probably be sloppily done. Just because Microsoft has the power to do these things doesn't mean that it's gonna get done. They have market power, that's all they need.
yes that's true, but the main reason people use Mozilla isn't because it supports tabbed browsing. most people switched to Firefox because of security and popups, which apparently will be addressed in IE7.
i think i'm actually going to give IE7 a try.
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Never in a million years will IE7 beat mozilla in terms of stability or security. To do that they'd need to redesign it from the ground up and rip out a lot of the links to the OS it has.
I'm not saying MS couldn't do that. I'm saying they won't. IE7 will be built on top of IE6 and because of MS's habit of leaving code in the executable if the programmer can't figure out what it was for it will probably actually be worse in terms of security and stability.