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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Akalabeth Angel on February 18, 2005, 12:30:35 pm
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These might look good in Freespace:
(http://members.shaw.ca/pbcbrown/888962b.jpg)
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Sith Lightsaber!
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I don't like 'em. Sorry.
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HH ships aren't about looking good. They're about killing things. The models are actually pretty well done. :)
The problem is that Honourverse really wouldn't work in Freespace. Even ships of the wall who fight in very close proximity are tens of kilometers apart (more than that I think in fact).
I suppose it might be possible to make some missions based around pinaces fighting each other but you wouldn't be able to put capships in.
Which is a pity cause I'd love to play a HH game. I think you'd need to design the engine from ground up though. Nothing springs to mind as being at all suitable for a realistic mod.
Of course if you just want to do a HH ships blasting each other at close range style hybrid mod that might be fun. It would lose a lot of the original's flavour though. Especially as the only remotely realistic thing you could give the player to fly would have to be a several thousand ton Shirke :)
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The modeling is good, but the ships are uuuuuugly.
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Btw, these aren't my models. They're pictures for some miniatures coming out for a table-top HH game.
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Indeed, the only logical thing for a player to use is a LAC, most likely indeed one of the Shrike classes. And even then, graser range is measured in hundreds of kilometers or more. Generally, even close up sneak attacks (Think the battle of Cerberus, Honor going in balistic and grasering the Peeps) are near a light-second apart. (The exact range in the book, IIRC).
I'd love to see a proper Honorverse game, but it's impossible to do true to the books without going back to something with very little graphics but a bridge display, and perhaps a few visuals for extreme telescopic view.
Under impeller drive, the cap ships are often over a hundred kilometers away from eachother, so even then you wouldn't see much.
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(http://members.shaw.ca/pbcbrown/888962b.jpg)
I am resisting the urge to make the obvious leud remarks regarding these designs.
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Tabletop HH game? Must play...
Got any good links?
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Two ugly dildos... Where do we put the batteries?
:ick:
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ST: Read the books, and shut up untill you've done so.
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forget kas, you know swamp thing, hes the kind of guy that likes to shove submarines up his arse as well!
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:wtf:
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penis
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
:wtf:
it dicks me off *excuse the pun* when people go on about ships looking sike cocks, in all sense its a good design. no fuss get the job done killing machine, i really do see find it worrying that people cant see past the small resemblance a mammoth war ship has to the tiny prick that swings between their legs, its almost by commenting on it your trying to componsate for the frustration you get from the world for having a tiny weener.
Now if it was an0n's GTD Dildo on the other hand...
..oh and the whole submaribe thing, there big and cylendrical, swamp obviously like cock ... i'll let you figure the rest out.
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Would you guys please give the whole "it looks like a cock" thing a rest? Try and give the guy a hand with modelling improvements sure, but you're all old enough to show a bit of maturity.
Kindly show it.
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I predict something with actual turrets would eat them alive.
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Yea, if you could get a Demos above it, theres' no way it could kill it by the looks of it, but the Deimos could use it's turrets to fire straight down into it.
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Yea, if you could get a Demos above it, theres' no way it could kill it by the looks of it, but the Deimos could use it's turrets to fire straight down into it.
:lol:
*is amused by your igorance of HH universe*
See, the HH ships move by bending gravity around them in a wedge. Basically there is a "gravity belt" above the ship that warps light, and no munitions/laser/etc... can pass through.
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So...how do you kill them?
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the top and the bottom of the ship are the only thing that is blocked by the impeller drive field. The walls are usually protected by sidewalls that use grav tech as well, but provide less shielding, and can be destroyed. The front and back of the ship have no shielding because otherwise the impeller drive wouldn't work.
So you can shoot at the sides for a while, or shoot up or down it for a less while.
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So in other words they're really just 18th-century man-o'-war writ large and in metal.
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Jup.
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Heh. Bust out the HMS Dreadnought then... :p
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Actually those are probably superdreadnaughts judging by the number of missile banks on them.
And the reason why something wouldn't be able to kill these things is because they kill things at a several light seconds distance and travel at relativistic speeds.
That's why I said Freespace would be unsuitable for a HH mod. The AI gets screwy trying to deal with fighters at 400m/s try giving it missiles moving at tens of thousands and it would probably have a heart attack :D
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Actually, they're battlecruisers (http://www.star-ranger.com/Works.htm#Sits) - the HMS Reliant and the PNS Sultan :p
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Would you guys please give the whole "it looks like a cock" thing a rest? Try and give the guy a hand with modelling improvements sure, but you're all old enough to show a bit of maturity.
Kindly show it.
Cocks? I think they look like vibrating dildos...
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Originally posted by Knight Templar
Cocks? I think they look like vibrating dildos...
Actually, in another forum I first saw this posted and someone said they looked like didloes. I thought I'd post it here just for fun to see if it'd get the usual response, and sure enough . . . you guys sure are predicktable.
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Originally posted by Geezer
PNS
Sadly, that doesn't help with the association they're making :doubt: :lol:
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Too true. It's supposed to stand for "People's Naval Ship" but I'm beginning to wonder what Weber really had in mind. I think I'm going to have to reread the entire series, treating it as some kind of perverse sexual allegory... ;7
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Originally posted by Geezer
PNS Sultan :p
pns sultan more like pms sultan am i rite
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Originally posted by Janos
pns sultan more like pms sultan am i rite
That's because you're pronouncing the letters individually rather than taking it as a word with no vowels.
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Guys, get back on the -ING subject already. For all the problems your proclaming with the AI, it's just a matter of scale.
if M=KM then where's your problems? and for once we'd have some ships that the default attack command works with...
Oh, and thanks for the screenshots, know where I can find more? I've been trying to modle these things off the book covers. It's not going well :\
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It's not just a matter of scale. Trying to do HH in the FS2 engine makes about as much sense as trying to do a U-boat simulation. (actually less sense!).
The physics are simply all wrong, not just the AI.
Like I said it just wouldn't work unless you did some sort of hybrid version that used FS2 physics. It wouldn't be remotely close to the book though.
IIRC there is a some guy making a freeware HH game. Unlike FS2 he's writing the engine from the ground up to take the high velocities and large distances into account.
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Originally posted by terren
Guys, get back on the -ING subject already. For all the problems your proclaming with the AI, it's just a matter of scale.
if M=KM then where's your problems? and for once we'd have some ships that the default attack command works with...
Oh, and thanks for the screenshots, know where I can find more? I've been trying to modle these things off the book covers. It's not going well :\
Here's a couple more pics:
http://theminiaturespage.com/news/888962/ (http://theminiaturespage.com/news/888962/)
There might be more in the "more info" at the bottom of the article
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Originally posted by karajorma
It's not just a matter of scale. Trying to do HH in the FS2 engine makes about as much sense as trying to do a U-boat simulation. (actually less sense!).
The physics are simply all wrong, not just the AI.
Like I said it just wouldn't work unless you did some sort of hybrid version that used FS2 physics. It wouldn't be remotely close to the book though.
IIRC there is a some guy making a freeware HH game. Unlike FS2 he's writing the engine from the ground up to take the high velocities and large distances into account.
Ah, physics my nemesis. but still, you could use just the capships, against FS ships. You'd kind of need fighters to take them down given the range and the damage those 'bomb pumped lasers' deal. Just a question, has anyone had any luck building a bomb pumped laser? that being a missile that launches a spread of long trailed shots in a cone at a target? I realy just need to know if there's a way to make 'shots' shoot in a cone, the rest is not to hard, with the right skin on a missile.
Do you have a link to the HH game?? I've been looking for something like it for about 3 years.
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http://www.adastragames.com/products/adastra/sits.html
:)
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Originally posted by terren
Do you have a link to the HH game?? I've been looking for something like it for about 3 years.
I was actually on about this (http://warofhonor.honor-harrington.de/). It's still a WIP though so don't get all excited yet.