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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bobboau on February 24, 2005, 11:33:02 pm
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/25/international/europe/25pope.html
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He's been on death's door for a while now. At this point, you could probably sneeze on him and he'd keel over. <<;
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Well, at least he knows where he's going. That should at least be some consolation.If there's one person who doesn't have to fear death, I would guess it would be the Pope.
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What if god has been tricking everyone and sending the faithful to hell? I'll bet he has.
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He's the head of the Catholic Church, and you think he'll go to heaven? :ha:
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Originally posted by delta_7890
He's been on death's door for a while now. At this point, you could probably sneeze on him and he'd keel over. <<;
someone probably did.
Actually, I wonder if the popemobile is hermetically sealed for that purpose......
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i can care less about this pope, what concerns me is which tyrant shall take his place :D
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Originally posted by Clave
He's the head of the Catholic Church, and you think he'll go to heaven? :ha:
Unfortunate as it is, I agree with the incredulity expressed in this statement. The pope isn't exactly the first person that comes to mind when I think of someone who reads and tries to follow the Bible... :doubt:
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Originally posted by Rictor
If there's one person who doesn't have to fear death, I would guess it would be the Pope.
Wanna explain the bulletproof popemobile to me then? :lol:
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I'm sorry, but a popemobile? Isn't that sort of, well, over the top?
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It exists, and it's bullet proof. I guess it came in handy the time he visited glasgow.
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God damn that guy has more lives than jesus
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(http://www.jesmb.de/news/news/pics/papst.jpg)
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...and he doesn't look happy :p
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That picture just says so much about how things still work here on earth.
Look at the people wayving and clapping like the Pope is a superstar.
The man "is" trying to promote a way of life where the over riding principle should be going out of your way to help people around you and get past the idea that idolizing other people (and not the way they live) just distracts you from that aim. (FYI I'm not Catholic).
I'll leave it at that for now.
Cheers!
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I just had that image of the Family Guy episode Flash in my mind where Brian and Stewi fly around the work in an Air balloon, and in Rome, the Pope is whining about having to get up. It's a funny one. :)
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That's a weird car.....
And I have just heard that the Pope is all right.
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That thing just needs a kazoo fanfare.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Unfortunate as it is, I agree with the incredulity expressed in this statement. The pope isn't exactly the first person that comes to mind when I think of someone who reads and tries to follow the Bible... :doubt:
Examples plz.
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Perhaps he refers to the series of Pope's who were given a bit of land long ago and became corrupt.
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Were those the ones that had their sons become the Pope after them?
And there is a reason for the bulletproof Popemobile. Namely, the assasination attempt about twenty years ago.
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^Aye
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Originally posted by Janos
God damn that guy has more lives than jesus
hmm. I wonder what that means. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by JR2000Z
Examples plz.
To clarify, it's through and because of his position of authority and responsibility over the Catholic Church that gives him the most negative points in my book. Specifics? Well, gay bishops or cardinals or whatever, for one. Blatantly anti-Biblical, right there.
If you want something more personal to him, then you may be disappointed, as I haven't researched the guy. But wasn't there some sort of "we all worship the same God" line he gave in regard to the 3 major mono-theistic religions? If that's an accurate recollection, then that's not only blatantly anti-Biblical, but blasphemous as well.
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Gay Bishops and Cardinals? Hailing from an alternate universe, are we? Catholic priests take a vow to be celibate, which kind of blocks the entire issue, assuming they follow their vow. There's also the whole theological issue, in which the Roman Catholic Church declares of homosexual relations: "Under no circumstances can they be approved."*
Also, the "we all worship the same God" thing is incredibly logical, as all three major monotheistic religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) all derive from Judaism.
*That's a direct quote from this page (http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm), under point 2357.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf
Gay Bishops and Cardinals? Hailing from an alternate universe, are we? Catholic priests take a vow to be celibate, which kind of blocks the entire issue, assuming they follow their vow. .
Haven´t you heard? There are quite a few of them in Boston.
:p
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Would be rather difficult, as there's only one bishop in Boston :p Also, those priests (note the difference in title) have been for the most part defrocked.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf
Also, the "we all worship the same God" thing is incredibly logical, as all three major monotheistic religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) all derive from Judaism.
Shh... you're not supposed to tell that to an American or Israeli!
Otherwise it might usher in a new era of peace and put an end to arms sales! Take one for the team and keep quiet, take one for capitalism!
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Originally posted by Ace
Shh... you're not supposed to tell that to an American or Israeli!
Otherwise it might usher in a new era of peace and put an end to arms sales! Take one for the team and keep quiet, take one for capitalism!
Oh shut up :p
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Oh shut up :p
Peacenick!!!! Liberal!!!!111 Organic meatbag!!!111oneoneone :p
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Originally posted by Impurial
hmm. I wonder what that means. :rolleyes:
why the hate
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AFAIK, the Church(capitals always means the Vatican) started allowing priests to marry a while ago. Monks and Nuns still can't though.
And the Vatican has been suspiciously silent on the matter of so many of their priests apparently being paedophiles.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf
And there is a reason for the bulletproof Popemobile. Namely, the assasination attempt about twenty years ago.
I know that's the reason. Hardly shows that he's got no fear of death though does it? :)
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf
Gay Bishops and Cardinals? Hailing from an alternate universe, are we? Catholic priests take a vow to be celibate, which kind of blocks the entire issue, assuming they follow their vow. There's also the whole theological issue, in which the Roman Catholic Church declares of homosexual relations: "Under no circumstances can they be approved."*
Also, the "we all worship the same God" thing is incredibly logical, as all three major monotheistic religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) all derive from Judaism.
*That's a direct quote from this page (http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm), under point 2357.
They can say whatever they want, but that doesn't refute that fact that gay bishops exist (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=of**q=catholic+gay+bishop+OR+cardinal&btnG=Search).
As for the "same God" thing, wrong. The inside of the Dome of the Rock states a few times that (paraphrased) "there is no God but Allah, and He has no Son". Kinda rules out Christianity <--> Islam, don't it?
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no it does not rule them out of being spawned from the same source, I'm sure there are some anti-jewish statments writen in some church somewere.
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You know that mobile could owned by that gun TrashMan posted a while back (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn56-e.htm).
Besides which the only thing that protects anyone like the Pope is the suicidal following he has - ****ing with him is more bother than it's worth in the long run for any major power.
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Sandwich, many people argue Jesus was not literally a son of god, rather a corporeal embodiment of him/her/it. So in fact, the argument could be made that Islam and Christianity do not contradict each other- they just have some translation problems.
That all relies on believing in a God in the first place of course. ;)
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LOL @ car picture (hey he got a new one? Last one I saw was a clear box over a red wagon!)...
Holy Scripture Batman (er, I mean your Eminence) a Blashpemer!
I'll warm up the Popemobile and meet you out front (after the 2 hours it takes for you to climb down the steps...)...
*4 hours later*
Ok WHO gave him fiber this morning? (sigh) Ahem, Vyper, looks like we aren't gonna make it today. Do you mind if you get your holy tongue lashing via electronic popemail? "You have Chastizement!" ;)
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*mark as junkmail*.... click
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Originally posted by Sandwich
As for the "same God" thing, wrong. The inside of the Dome of the Rock states a few times that (paraphrased) "there is no God but Allah, and He has no Son". Kinda rules out Christianity <--> Islam, don't it?
So by that logic the Jewish God also isn't the christian one. Muslims claim that Jesus was a prophet who has been misinterpreted by his followers as being the Son of God. There you go. They believe that christians believe in the same god as them but that they simply choose the wrong prophet to follow.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf
Also, the "we all worship the same God" thing is incredibly logical, as all three major monotheistic religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) all derive from Judaism.
Finally, somebody who sees things the same way I do!
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Kinda rules out Christianity <--> Islam, don't it?
Technically, it's Christian God <--> Islamic God anyways.
You could even say that the multi-diety religions are worshipping the same God as Christianity (etc), and are simply interpreting the multiple facets as individual entities.
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Whatever. I've had this argument many times before here; refer to those threads for my side of things. It's too early in the day for me. :p
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I'll say it once and I'll say it again: all religions are essentially the same differing only in the details. If everyone stopped getting pissed off about the details and stopped blowing each other up about it...it just wouldn't matter.
My best friend is a Hindu. I'm a Christian. We get along just fine. Infact we often note how similar our two families tend to operate (both being somewhat conservative and traditional in a number of ways). With religion being as pervasive as it is regardless of the number of times you attend church/temple/whatever a year...its part of how you operate and I think we all have alot more in common than some people tend to admit.
And there are radicals to every group...always the core of the problems of getting along. Haven't figured out their purpose yet.
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Indeed. All people are the same; god remains fundamentally the same.
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I seem to remember something about some of the Eastern religions including Jesus in some interpretations. I believe it was as an incarnation of Vishnu or as a Bodhisattva.
Also, Liberator, there's no marrying for Catholic priests.
And Sandwich, your link to the Google search is broken. I replicated your search, and all I've found so far is the Catholic Church complaining about the gay Episcopalian Bishop in New Hampshire.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf
And Sandwich, your link to the Google search is broken. I replicated your search, and all I've found so far is the Catholic Church complaining about the gay Episcopalian Bishop in New Hampshire.
Ok, honestly (and embarrassingly)? I didn't know any denomination other than Catholics had bishops and cardinals and what have you. :o Probably I heard "gay bishop" and immediately assocciated it with the Catholics. If that's the case, I apologize... my bad.
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Originally posted by IceFire
I'll say it once and I'll say it again: all religions are essentially the same differing only in the details. If everyone stopped getting pissed off about the details and stopped blowing each other up about it...it just wouldn't matter.
I would disagree. I would actually say that most religions are superficially the same (do good, love others) but differ widely at their cores. That's why people of different religions can get along well on a day-to-day basis, but sparks fly when the core of one religion clashes with the core of another religion.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf
Also, the "we all worship the same God" thing is incredibly logical, as all three major monotheistic religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) all derive from Judaism.
Which in turn derives from Zoroastrianism, which in turn derives from the Persian polytheistic religion. Religious history is almost as interesting as normal history, especially when you look at the way stuff like Egyptian religion changed over the thousands of years it was more or less followed.
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My God is Jesus, the Christ. And Jesus says that he's the only way to get to heaven, so I'm believing that.
Note: Do not confuse this Jesus from the Jesus of the Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Evangelicals, Baptists, Methodists, Orthodox, and Christians.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
I would disagree. I would actually say that most religions are superficially the same (do good, love others) but differ widely at their cores. That's why people of different religions can get along well on a day-to-day basis, but sparks fly when the core of one religion clashes with the core of another religion.
I would say it's the other way around.
All monotheistic religions are the same in the core - the differences are superficial!
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Originally posted by Goober5000
I would disagree. I would actually say that most religions are superficially the same (do good, love others) but differ widely at their cores. That's why people of different religions can get along well on a day-to-day basis, but sparks fly when the core of one religion clashes with the core of another religion.
As I said, I have to disagree with this view point. The differences are superficial and having tasted a number of different religious viewpoints I find the sparks fly when you have people who think that their method is the only way and therefore everyone should listen to them. The methods are superficial but become the major sticking point.
My neighbors are Jewish, I'm Protestant, I have extremely good and close friends who are Catholic, and my best friend is Hindu. I'm missing a couple of major religions but I have more in common with these people than I have different.
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Originally posted by Terminator
My God is Jesus, the Christ. And Jesus says that he's the only way to get to heaven, so I'm believing that.
Note: Do not confuse this Jesus from the Jesus of the Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Evangelicals, Baptists, Methodists, Orthodox, and Christians.
:wtf:
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Ok, honestly (and embarrassingly)? I didn't know any denomination other than Catholics had bishops and cardinals and what have you. :o Probably I heard "gay bishop" and immediately assocciated it with the Catholics. If that's the case, I apologize... my bad.
It's an understandable mistake. The only sects that have Bishops and Archbishops are the Catholics, the assorted Orthodox churches, and the Anglican Communion. The Anglican Communion is the only Protestant sect with Bishops, as they are a fairly close splinter group given that its origin was more political than theological (the whole Henry VIII thing).
Cardinals get a bit more interesting, as during my research for this post, I discovered that while the College of Cardinals is entirely Catholic, it contains representatives from both the Latin Rite, or Roman Catholic Church, and the Eastern Rite, or Eastern Catholic Churches.
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Originally posted by Terminator
Note: Do not confuse this Jesus from the Jesus of the Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Evangelicals, Baptists, Methodists, Orthodox, and Christians.
I'll second a :wtf: to this. Besides the fact that the term "Christian" is redundand, seeing as how all of the denominations you listed are Christian, your point, if there is one, doesn't make any sense.
Originally posted by Grey Wolf
Cardinals get a bit more interesting, as during my research for this post, I discovered that while the College of Cardinals is entirely Catholic, it contains representatives from both the Latin Rite, or Roman Catholic Church, and the Eastern Rite, or Eastern Catholic Churches.
For all intents and purposes, the Latin and Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church are one and the same; they share all of the same beliefs. The main differences mainly fall into the category of liturgical procedures. The Orthodox denomination also shares the vast majority of the beliefs of the Catholic denomination. For these reasons, the Latin and Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church are in full communion, meaning that I, as a Roman Catholic, could receive Holy Communion at an Eastern or Orthodox church. You're also right about the Anglican Church; it is the Protestant denomination closest in beliefs and practices to the Catholic Church, mainly because its split revolved around political issues more than religious ones.
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Originally posted by Terminator
My God is Jesus, the Christ. And Jesus says that he's the only way to get to heaven, so I'm believing that.
Note: Do not confuse this Jesus from the Jesus of the Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Evangelicals, Baptists, Methodists, Orthodox, and Christians.
Ermm... so which Jesus are you worshipping since it's not the Christian one?
Robot Jesus? Of the First Church of the United Positronic Brain? :confused:
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I trust that the above few posts serve to sufficiently portray the reasons for my dislike of most "Christian" denominations. :doubt: What a mess. Jesus would cry, if He isn't already. :sigh:
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[q]seeing as how all of the denominations you listed are Christian[/q]
Try telling a Catholic that. I did. It took a long argument to realize she was better at badmington and kissing than understanding the finer points of philosophy.
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Am I the only one who thinks Terminator was taking the piss?
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no
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Originally posted by Ace
Ermm... so which Jesus are you worshipping since it's not the Christian one?
Robot Jesus? Of the First Church of the United Positronic Brain? :confused:
Sweet Zombie Jesus? (http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/Encyc-72-Jesus/)
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Originally posted by Liberator
AFAIK, the Church(capitals always means the Vatican) started allowing priests to marry a while ago. Monks and Nuns still can't though.
Euhm no, no they didn't.
The Chuch does not allow it's priest to be married, except under special circumstances (like in certain eastern rites and when protestant priests stop being protestants). But the standard Roman Catholic Priest is not allowed to marry.
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Originally posted by vyper
[q]seeing as how all of the denominations you listed are Christian[/q]
Try telling a Catholic that. I did. It took a long argument to realize she was better at badmington and kissing than understanding the finer points of philosophy.
Um, last time I checked, I am a Catholic. And, no offense to the person you talked to, but I'm sure I know much more about Catholic doctrine than she does, judging by your conversation with her. :p
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*eats bacon and eggs while working on the sabbath* :p
(http://www.hhcc.us/Images/bacon.jpg)
oh, and satan ownz all your souls! :ha:
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Originally posted by Mongoose
Um, last time I checked, I am a Catholic. And, no offense to the person you talked to, but I'm sure I know much more about Catholic doctrine than she does, judging by your conversation with her. :p
May I also point out the catholic literature my aunt has lying around. One of the weekly newsletters had a story of a young girl trying to explain to her peers why she wasn't christian but catholic.
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Originally posted by BD
Am I the only one who thinks Terminator was taking the piss?
I was wondering when someone else would come to that conclusion but it was so funy to watch that I didn't say anything :D
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Are you sure whether you mean Catholic or Roman Catholic? There is a difference, y'know.
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To everyone who just flamed my post:
I don't think Jesus would approve of the current state of churches. What do they do? Every day, they go, listen to some songs, give some offering, listen to a sermon, and then they leave and continue their normal lives. I don't think this is what Jesus had in mind when he started the church.
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I ghet ya, ya like to make your own mind up on things not follow some body elses version. I think the man would be proud.
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Vyper, I'm saying that person is wrong, and that literature is wrong if it supports that viewpoints. A Christian is, by definition, a follower of Christ, which would make any Catholic a Christian.
aldo, the term "catholic" without any capitalization is a generic term that means "universal." "Catholic" is used to refer to the specific Catholic Church, whether it's the Latin or Eastern Rite.
Terminator, I think you're confusing churches with the people who go to them. Someone who goes to church just for the sake of doing so is only playing lip service to their faith. In contrast, someone who goes to Church on Sunday and lives the rest of the week in imitation of Christ is a true Christian. And anyway, how can any of us tell what Christ had in mind as to the state of the community of believers two thousand years down the line? We just have to do the best we can with what we have.
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In conclusion, Christ commanded the preaching of the gospel, not the sitting in a pew every sunday.
This thread is now about the pope dying. It kinda sucks, but It'll be interesting to see who would become the new one :)
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You kidding? Pope is tough as nails, he's not going down that easily.....
He allwas said God (and Virgin Mary) look after him, and after all he's been trough and his age, he is still here.. I belive him...
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'that' easily?
He's an old bloke with Parkinson's - he's not exactly fighting fit at the best of times, let alone when he needs a tube to breathe. I feel sorry for him, in actual fact.
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Indeed, it's one of those things that happens.
But I still maintain that non-believers have more fun while they are alive, and afterwards? well frankly who cares?
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They do, when they get there. :p
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if[/b] there is a 'there'.....
of course, the converse is that if a religious person dies and there is no heaven.... they're not going to know, are they?
So the moral of the story is "Pick a fun religion"
Maybe.........
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Christianity is very practical in that respect. Paul and others in the Bible freely acknowledge that if there's no heaven, no resurrection from the dead, then it makes perfect sense to sin all you want. :)
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Woo. Sin4g3!
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Originally posted by TrashMan
You kidding? Pope is tough as nails, he's not going down that easily.....
He allwas said God (and Virgin Mary) look after him, and after all he's been trough and his age, he is still here.. I belive him...
I'm sure the Vatican's deep pockets and the best doctors in the world contribute a little as well.
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They didn't help John Paul I very much. Unless, of course, he was murdered like the conspiracy theorists think he was.
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And the conspiracy theorists are ALWAYS right, don'tcha know? JFK got shot by KGB and CIA operatives working together from the grassy knoll. The US never landed on the moon. 9/11 was a Mossad/CIA plot. AIDS is a biowarfare weapon developed by a secret American military program. Princess Diana was killed by the Royal Family, who wanted to stop an Egyptian from sitting on the throne of the UK.
Who knows what's true and what's not?
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Almost veered off-topic, but stayed in the general area.
I'm believing that though the Pope has had his fair share of trials that result from his state as a human being, subject to all natural crosses that we bear, and that he has gotten through them fairly well, this might be the end for him.
It seems there are many of us, Catholic or not, who believe his strength will pull him through, but for myself, I believe that there is a prevailing possibility that he will fail, at which point the Church might suffer a great setback.
Ultimately, in terms of the beliefs, the fate of the pope is literally in the hands of God, and whatever it is He decides to do, we will never understand. "The Pope will make it." Maybe. "The Pope won't make it." Maybe.
And though that might have been in light of your more comical approach, Corsair, you bring up a very valid point. Who knows what's true and what's not?
...On a much lighter note - DAMN that popemobile is funkay.
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well he's got to die sooner or later.
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Originally posted by Bobboau
well he's got to die sooner or later.
That's what you think! :D
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Physically, yes. Mentally, never!
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:rolleyes: :doubt:
I would have thought the opposite was more likely on current appearances.....
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Nah. We're planning on preserving his head in a jar in New York City, just as we'll do to every celebrity.
On a more serious note, I hope that if he has to die, he goes peacefully.