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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stealth on February 25, 2005, 06:18:37 pm
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so i have a 784MB ISO file (windows 2003 server, enterprise, etc.) but i only have 700MB CDs :-/ no where around here has 800MB CD-Rs, and i only need one of the operating system installs on the disk, so i was wondering if anyone has any methods or ways to do this? anyone ever tried? i've never messed around with ISOs :-/
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Um get a 800mb CD?
Or maybe a DVD?
Failing that isn't there ways you can overburn to fit it on?
What program are you using to burn?
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CDs are 703.1 MB or so, contrary to what they claim. Just try burning it, and see what happens.
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i'm using Nero 5
i can see if it was 1 or 2 MBs over, but this is a little under 100 MB.
also, i don't have a DVD-R drive, and i don't know if you read my first post, but i don't have access to an 800MB CD.
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I don't know much about ISOs either, but can it be extracted or something? With ISObuster?
BTW, I also have an ISO which too big for a CD. Does it help if I compress it?
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Originally posted by Primus
I don't know much about ISOs either, but can it be extracted or something? With ISObuster?
BTW, I also have an ISO which too big for a CD. Does it help if I compress it?
No, you can't compress an ISO. Well, you can, but there's little point - it doesn't burn a smaller CD; you have to uncompress it to burn it.
And I was going to suggest ISOBuster (I think that's the proggie); something to peek inside an ISO and allow you to edit the contents - i.e. remove extraneous files from the image.
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Sorry, I misread your post. I had thought that you had written 704MB, not 784MB. Hmm.... I'm really not sure if you can burn it. If it wasn't for the fact that this is an OS, I'd suggest emulating a drive. Your best bet would be trying to overburn it, as you've eliminated all other options.
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ISO´s are always bigger in size than the final CD size. I´ve burned CDs with 800mb before, in normal CDs with no problem.
An ISO is like a BIN file, it holds all the info required to make the burn along with the file you want to burn. Hence the bigger size. But it usually fits in a CD.
Open Nero and select "burn image". Then check the green line on the bottom that shows CD usage. Chances are your file is still inside the "green zone".
If it still doesn´t fit, i suggest DVD. Overburning doesn´t allways produce the best results.
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Just try burning it. If its an ISO, chances are it fits onto a normal CD since that most likely where it came from. Even if its bigger, it will still probably fit, I've done it before with 750-800mb ISOs and BINs.
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I did read all of your post.
Mind, I don't think I've seen many 800mb's either, 700mb seems to be the standard nowadays.
You could try another ISO burning program, such as alchohol 110% etc.
Else, split it and put it on two CD's.
Googled this: http://club.cdfreaks.com/lite/t-44265.html
Might be worth a look.
Edit: And this explains why: http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=135642
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Hmmm, this reminds me of a similar situation I had with some cue/bins a while back, but I couldn't find the thread I made.
Regardless, i ended up having to use burnatonce to make the CDs from the cue/bins. Hope this helps.
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YO guys, thx for all the responses...
i'm going to try alcohol 120, ISObuster, and also splitting the CD to two CDs, as was mentioned, i'll keep you all posted on what happens :)
once again, thanks for all the suggestions
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overburning: won't work...
(http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/hostedpictures/whyoverburningwonthelp.JPG)
tried editing the ISO with ISObuster, but there's too many damn files for me to even begin to start :p
alcohol 120%'s "virtual drive" i don't think would work with a bootable ISO
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OK, I can tell you right now, what you are trying to do is all wrong. When I burn a data CD from ISO/RAW, I ALWAYS write at 2352 bytes/sector. Trust me, Mode 1 is your friend. The extra hundred megs or so are part of the error correction mentioned in that article. However, since you're using some trash writing software, it isnt smart enough to tell whats what. Nero is also your friend. Learn to love it.
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Originally posted by Scuddie
OK, I can tell you right now, what you are trying to do is all wrong. When I burn a data CD from ISO/RAW, I ALWAYS write at 2352 bytes/sector. Trust me, Mode 1 is your friend. The extra hundred megs or so are part of the error correction mentioned in that article. However, since you're using some trash writing software, it isnt smart enough to tell whats what. Nero is also your friend. Learn to love it.
If you were familiar with Nero, you'd know that the screenshot i posted was the window Nero 5 displays while it's burning a CD.
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/hostedpictures/idousenero.JPG)
:wtf: :doubt:
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Stealth, use burnatonce. It recognizes the mode the disc was written in and uses the appropriate burn mode.
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Who the hell uses Nero 5??
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Swamp thing is right on this, Nearly every ISO image I've made is way over 700 mp for full discs. You have to use the "Burn Image" option under the File menu and select the ISO for burning. Do NOT add the .ISO image to a new compliation or anything like that. When using the Burn Image method, you will be asked for an .NRG image file. Ignore that and make it look for All Files and select your .ISO file. Nero should "Translate" the ISO into the proper CDDA Filesystem format, fitting the data onto the disc. You cant just burn the .ISO file to disc because the .ISO file is an IMAGE. Images will include extra information such as disk geometry, etc, usually. If you burn the image file itself onto CD, you'd be burning that extra 50 mb. If you have nero "translate" the image into a real CDDA filesystem format, it will fit - In theory.
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Why not mount the disk and see what could be tossed? The support folder could probably be dumped onto another disk. IIRC what you need is the i386 folder.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Why not mount the disk and see what could be tossed? The support folder could probably be dumped onto another disk. IIRC what you need is the i386 folder.
..'cause probably there is no need to do so.
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Originally posted by Scuddie
Who the hell uses Nero 5??
me. you were wrong, end of story. you obviouslydon't know what Nero looks like or you'd recognize the window. thanks for your help though.
also, if you checked the second post inthis thread,wherei was asked what program i was using... i responded: "Nero 5"
Thanks
Swamp thing is right on this, Nearly every ISO image I've made is way over 700 mp for full discs. You have to use the "Burn Image" option under the File menu and select the ISO for burning. Do NOT add the .ISO image to a new compliation or anything like that. When using the Burn Image method, you will be asked for an .NRG image file. Ignore that and make it look for All Files and select your .ISO file. Nero should "Translate" the ISO into the proper CDDA Filesystem format, fitting the data onto the disc. You cant just burn the .ISO file to disc because the .ISO file is an IMAGE. Images will include extra information such as disk geometry, etc, usually. If you burn the image file itself onto CD, you'd be burning that extra 50 mb. If you have nero "translate" the image into a real CDDA filesystem format, it will fit - In theory.
right. and that's what i did to burn the ISO, and what i've always done to burn ISOs in the past. FILE --> BURN IMAGE.
Liberator: i'll try burnatonce, thanks.
karajorma:
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/stealth/hostedpictures/filesonCD.JPG)
i have no idea what files i need and which i don't :p
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Get rid of SETUP.EXE - it's a whole MEGAbyte - what a waste of room!
...this post was heavy on the sarcasm, FYI. Don't really delete SETUP.EXE. Honest.
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didn't know it was okay to help people with them warez here. good to know for future reference.
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Originally posted by kode
didn't know it was okay to help people with them warez here. good to know for future reference.
you think it's warez, but you'll note that this topic has nothing to do with warez... it's about burning a 784 MB file on a 700MB disk. you can think it's warez if you want, but there's a difference between making a thread about "how to download the newest movies" and "how to burn an ISO onto a disk"
... ass.
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On a sidenote: AFAIK it's perfectly legal to burn a backup copy of your disc if you legally own its contents.
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Originally posted by Stealth
you think it's warez, but you'll note that this topic has nothing to do with warez... it's about burning a 784 MB file on a 700MB disk. you can think it's warez if you want, but there's a difference between making a thread about "how to download the newest movies" and "how to burn an ISO onto a disk"
... ass.
Originally posted by Stealth
so i have a 784MB ISO file (windows 2003 server, enterprise, etc.)
I didn't know they shipped windows on ISO's. I'm really very sorry. not. donkey.
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Ever heard of broken dics?
How do you wanna recover data from that Mr.Proper?
Sheeesh....
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hey listen kode, i don't know if you think you're 'cool' trying to cause trouble, or if it's just a way of raising your e-dick, or whatever, but if you've got nothing constructive to say, then plz get the hell out, ok?
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Ummm... Stealth, you might want to look into using Nero 6.6, as it is much better now, than it was during it's infancy. If what you have is what I think it is, it fits on one CD perfectly fine. Trust me, I know.
BTW: Kode, nobody cares. STFU and be quiet while you're at it.
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well, scuddie, you obviously cared enough to try to flame me. I thought I've made it pretty clear; I'm here to troll you. and I seem to do it pretty darn well.
and idiots that can't do stuff like this shouldn't even ****ing bother with it.
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Originally posted by Flaser
Ever heard of broken dics?
How do you wanna recover data from that Mr.Proper?
Sheeesh....
mr proper would call his friend at microsoft sweden and say "hej, det är jag. min windowsskiva är trasig, kan ni skicka en ny?"
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Grow up, you lot. :blah:
Stealth: You could try cutting out some stuff (irrelevant drivers, components etc) from the ISO with N-Lite - I used it to make my own customised XP install disc - I dunno if it'll work with Windows Server or whatever it is you have, but it's worth a look...
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stealth might want to get http://trackerwww.prq.to/torrents-details.php?id=3261643&hit=1 or http://trackerwww.prq.to/torrents-details.php?id=3282299&hit=1 instead.
this one's really golden too: http://trackerwww.prq.to/torrents-details.php?id=3268048
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and now, don't come tell me I didn't help you the f out, tard.
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He shouldnt have to do that. I, myself have an extended copy of Server 2003, (special thanks to SFNTUG for my 25 client license :D) and the ISO for that is 779 megs. So either you are doing it wrong, or the author of the ISO did it wrong. Either way, the disc needs to be burned at Mode 1 (iirc), which is 2352 bytes per sector. The extra 304 bytes are CRC checks and subchannel data, and the disc will be burned improperly if using Mode 2. Well, I think thats how it works anyway :\. I havent converted ISO in a long time, I might have Mode 1 and Mode 2 mixed up. All you need to know however, is to write at 2352 bytes per sector.
EDIT: Kode, please stop trolling... It is getting very irritating.
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Originally posted by Scuddie
EDIT: Kode, please stop trolling... It is getting very irritating.
well, duh! it wouldn't be trolling if it wasn't.
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thx for the help everyone, i'll give Nero 6.6 a try, and i'll let you all know how it goes.
in Nero, how do you select what "mode" you want to burn the ISO? i always go File --> Burn ISO --> (select ISO) --> (select burn speed) , and that's it :-/
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When you start Nero, set your preferences, etc and choose Recorder -> Burn Image. Make a note of the info tab. If it says mode 1 with a size of higher than 700MB, then something is wrong. Check the Foreign Image tab, and see what it says. If it's Mode1 or Mode 2/XA 2352, the ISO wasnt created properly, and the "source" screwed up. If it's Mode 1 2048, it really is too big... Again, in this case, the source screwed up. However, speculation must be shoved aside. It's the end result that matters. Just to be sure, Select DAO/96 as the burning mode, and select a simulation run, and uncheck write. This will be the test of whether or not that is a bad ISO. Perhaps the best thing to do is "find another source".
If a data track is over 704MB, it cannot be written to on a high density (700) disc. To make an ISO of anything more than that is stupid. Especially when the said ISO is less than a gig, which wont work for a DVD.
EDIT: I am backwards.
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I think that's quite enough.