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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Goober5000 on February 28, 2005, 08:30:22 pm
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Playing through the FS2 campaign again recently, I noticed something rather interesting. The NTF has an overabundance of French ships. And every single one of them gets destroyed. :p
Consider:
NTC Rapier
NTD Normandy
NTC Camisard
NTCv Jacquerie
NTCv Danton
Setting aside English, Greek, and Roman names (which are shared with GTVA ships too), this is the single highest percentage of foreign-named ships.
Does :v: have a hidden agenda? ;)
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I just realized something the other day...Neo Terran Front. How did, well, everyone miss that? It never seemed to cross anyone's minds that it might just be a front (I don't think Command can be blamed, they've never been very bright).
It doesn't speak too well of Bosch's skills at deception, either.
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There are other plausible definitions...
1. the side or end of something that faces the direction it normally moves
3. an area where armies are engaged in conflict
5. a person or institution acting as the public face of some other, covert group
[archaic] the first part, the beginning
But #5 fits it like a glove. I never noticed that - good call. :yes:
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Originally posted by Goober5000
There are other plausible definitions...
1. the side or end of something that faces the direction it normally moves
3. an area where armies are engaged in conflict
5. a person or institution acting as the public face of some other, covert group
[archaic] the first part, the beginning
But #5 fits it like a glove. I never noticed that - good call. :yes: [/B]
:wtf: Your old post got replaced by this one.
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It was a pseudo-edit. :p
Anyway, let's get back on the original topic...
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The french getting their asses kicked, never heard of such a thing
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while number 5 fits well given what we know.....i prefer 3.
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
I just realized something the other day...Neo Terran Front. How did, well, everyone miss that? It never seemed to cross anyone's minds that it might just be a front (I don't think Command can be blamed, they've never been very bright).
technically it was a front, according to both number 3 and number 5. It was a front to cover up the knossos and ETAK research.
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Oh, OK. The first time I read that, I didn't catch that they were diffrent definitions for front. ;)
But anyway...maybe France finally got pissed at the US enough to relocate to Polaris. ;)
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....In my I Love Lucy Accent...
"NICO, you got some SPLAINING to do!" ;)
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Er, not wanting to steal your thunder or anything, but they're not all French.......
Originally posted by Goober5000
NTC Rapier
I think the Rapier is Spanish actually; or at least descended from a spanish sword type (not exclusively French, nayways) http://members.aol.com/dargolyt/TheForge/rapier.htm
NTD Normandy
As well as the obvious (D-Day landings), home of hte Normans (last to invade England), and occupied during the hundred years war
NTC Camisard
Another (French) rebellion; http://www.zum.de/whkmla/military/18cen/camisard.html
NTC Gaozu
I don't get this as French, but as a rebel officer who became the first Emperor of the Han dynasty; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Gao_of_Han_China
NTC An Luchan
No idea what this is... however, An Lushan was another rebellion, this time in China http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/An-Lushan-Rebellion
NTCv Jacquerie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquerie Popular revolt in Medieval europe that became a byeword for peasant uprisings
NTCv Danton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Danton George Danton, leading figure in the French revolution
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Bleah. I guess I didn't check Gaozu and An Luchan close enough then.
Post edited.
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So the Neo-Terran Front was European?
NTF = EU?
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No...the meanings behind each of the ship names are based on rebellions, uprisings, and the like. Quite a few of them happend in central Europe (popular history anyways) and therefore you get the names you do.
The guys who wrote this stuff up were very careful students of history. FS2 is filled with historical and mythological references left right and center.
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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
So the Neo-Terran Front was European?
NTF = EU?
Nah, then they'd of ruthlessly legislated the exact curvature of the bows of Deimos' and been too busy on junkets to actually start fights.....
Albeit you do have to wonder why a rebellion would name a ship after a rebellion that killed 36 million.
The Trinity...is an interesting name. 3 parts.... 3 FS games? Or symbolic of Terrans + Shivans + ? ('unholy' trinity?). That and the subtext behind 'Iceni' as well.
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what the hell happened to my post? :wtf:
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Nah, then they'd of ruthlessly legislated the exact curvature of the bows of Deimos' and been too busy on junkets to actually start fights.....
Albeit you do have to wonder why a rebellion would name a ship after a rebellion that killed 36 million.
The Trinity...is an interesting name. 3 parts.... 3 FS games? Or symbolic of Terrans + Shivans + ? ('unholy' trinity?). That and the subtext behind 'Iceni' as well.
Maybe the 3rd part of the trinity was *drumroll* Vasudans!
On topic FS2 isn't completely anti-europe/french. Hence GTD Aquitaine.
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Originally posted by kietotheworld
Maybe the 3rd part of the trinity was *drumroll* Vasudans!
As a young pilot I battled against the rebels of the great war, the Galactic Terran Intelligence whose research of shivan technology and biology would form the cornerstone of my project. The Terran-Vasudan alliance buried this knowledge but I resurrected it. I alone realised our species had no future with the Vasudans. If we are to survive, our destiny must lie elsewhere.
Doubt it. :doubt:
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What battle is the Aquitane from then? What nationality was the 'ship' from in history?
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I think Aquitane is in the Alsace region in France and is a battlesite.
1 sec.
EDIT; that's utter rubbish. Aquitance is itself a region (no idea where I got Alsace from)).
The most famous person or thing associated with Aquitane is, I think, Elanor of Aquitane; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_of_Guienne. I think it was also invaded by the English at some point.
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Originally posted by karajorma
Doubt it. :doubt:
Sorry, I've got the wrong end of the stick here, I was thinking that it might be a hint from :v: because there are 3 races, I forgot about the fact that Bosch probably named the ships.
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Incidentally, the Colossus has a French connection; the HMS Colossus was a WW2 aircraft carrier that was sold to the French Navy... a lot (90%) of FS2 ships share the names of Royal Navy ships; Repulse, Warspite, Lysander, Argo, Bastion, Legion, Andromeda, Aeneas, Coriolanus, Vigilant, Carthage, Champion, Rampart, Parapet, Oberon, Warwick, Diomedes, Fortune, Phoenicia, Agrippa, Stalwart, Templar, Malta and Sparta.
I couldn't be bothered checking the NTF names, though.
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Actually, I was struck that a lot of NTF cruisers have names that seemed RN-ish.
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i thought aquitaine was roman or greek?
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Nah. It's a region of western France IIRC. Like Normandy or Brittany, etc.
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no, austrian.
[EDIT] It's an austrian battlesite, iirc. all i know for sure is that it's austrian.
damn, another friggin timewarp.
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Originally posted by Cobra
no, austrian.
Umm. No.
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EDIT: nevermind
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Originally posted by ngtm1r
Actually, I was struck that a lot of NTF cruisers have names that seemed RN-ish.
Um...I didn;t check, but almost every GTVA military ship has a RN (or one shared with a RN ship, rather....) name. And the NTF did defect, so probably do most of their ships.
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I love the little in-jokes in FS2, i.e. if you target the Iceni debris when it breaking out of the Asteroid it is called Boudicea, and the next mission is called "The Romans Blunder", there are so many subtle hints in this game that many people probably don't pick up on.
Has anyone ever scanned the cargo escaping Capella?
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^It's spelled bordecadia, and i'm preety sure near everyone here has picked up on that.
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noooooo. boadicea. :D
yes, i know you're joking.
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crap, i spelled it twice (finished writing it then tried to spell the second half a different way)
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:lol:
dammit, more timewarps.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Um...I didn;t check, but almost every GTVA military ship has a RN (or one shared with a RN ship, rather....) name. And the NTF did defect, so probably do most of their ships.
But with the NTF cruisers, it's very, very, RN-sounding. Like the NTC Impervious and NTC Glorious.
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Granted on that instance, but most of the names mentioned further above are actually from Greek/Roman mythology, so both the RN and the NTF borrowed from the same lists.
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Originally posted by kasperl
Granted on that instance, but most of the names mentioned further above are actually from Greek/Roman mythology, so both the RN and the NTF borrowed from the same lists.
Probably, yes. But it is an interesting coincidence IMO; especially as I believe the Warspite and Lucidity(that is the pair of Deimos in the nebula, isn't it?) fought in the same WW2 battle.
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One of my biggest hates in FREDding is deciding what to call my ships
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Bah, that's an easy one. Go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Royal_Navy_ship_names
There's hundreds of 'em there. Use the battleship and carrier names for destroyers and carriers, cruiser names for corvettes, and destroyer/frigate names for cruisers and anything else.
Here's Aquitaine, by the way: http://www.france.com/regions/index.cfm?region_id=4
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Probably, yes. But it is an interesting coincidence IMO; especially as I believe the Warspite and Lucidity(that is the pair of Deimos in the nebula, isn't it?) fought in the same WW2 battle.
Actually, in the Nebula mission ("avoid the beam and you won't get hit") I think you're referring to, I think it was the Lysander and the Actium. Actium is a small town where Octavian defeated Mark Antony, and Lysander was the commander of the Spartan fleet which was victorious against the Athenians at Aegospotami in 405 BC.
(The Lysander thing came straight from Wikipedia).
As for the Warspite and Lucidity, I'm pretty sure both are AWACS vessels. The Lucidity for sure, which fits in with the name, if my English serves me right. The Warspite, I'm not sure where in FS that name is used.
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Originally posted by kasperl
Actually, in the Nebula mission ("avoid the beam and you won't get hit") I think you're referring to, I think it was the Lysander and the Actium. Actium is a small town where Octavian defeated Mark Antony, and Lysander was the commander of the Spartan fleet which was victorious against the Athenians at Aegospotami in 405 BC.
(The Lysander thing came straight from Wikipedia).
As for the Warspite and Lucidity, I'm pretty sure both are AWACS vessels. The Lucidity for sure, which fits in with the name, if my English serves me right. The Warspite, I'm not sure where in FS that name is used.
Warspite was the deimos when the player was part of the 134th Barracuda Squadron.
Lucidy was the AWACS. ;)
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The GTVA doesn't seem to name it's ships after people or cities, so I think it's not really a surprise that most of the names are RN: USN names tend to be after people/cities. Still, I am a bit surprised I haven't seen a Hornet or a Vincennes...
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The Hornet is used for the missiles, so it'd be odd to see a ship called that. Vincennes, never heard of it, but I geuss they ran out of ships before they ran out of names.
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Originally posted by kietotheworld
Has anyone ever scanned the cargo escaping Capella?
No, why? Is there something secret there? :D
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Originally posted by kasperl
Actually, in the Nebula mission ("avoid the beam and you won't get hit") I think you're referring to, I think it was the Lysander and the Actium. Actium is a small town where Octavian defeated Mark Antony, and Lysander was the commander of the Spartan fleet which was victorious against the Athenians at Aegospotami in 405 BC.
(The Lysander thing came straight from Wikipedia).
As for the Warspite and Lucidity, I'm pretty sure both are AWACS vessels. The Lucidity for sure, which fits in with the name, if my English serves me right. The Warspite, I'm not sure where in FS that name is used.
Whoops. Always get those Deimos' mixed up (NB: Lysander is RN, Actium is not).
Oh, and the mission i mean is the one where you escort the 2 Tritons to the Deimos' through the nebula. Loved that mission, really atmospheric in the creaking dark of the nebula.
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Yes there is the scret thing is th:snipe:
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I think that's the Warspite needing supplies, and the Lucidity providing AWACS cover.
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No, IIRC that (the mission I refer to) was pre-AWACs
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Lucidity is an AWACs, it's with the convoy. It's a Barracudas mission, I remember it well.
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
Bah, that's an easy one. Go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Royal_Navy_ship_names
There's hundreds of 'em there. Use the battleship and carrier names for destroyers and carriers, cruiser names for corvettes, and destroyer/frigate names for cruisers and anything else.
hehe. the HMS Tuna. how would you like to serve aboard the tuna? :D
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LOL the Tuna. Wow. Well when we fly in a mission guarding many xports, we know the Tuna is going down first. What a weak name.. lol!
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Heheh. It was probably a patrol ship or a gunboat or some crappy little ship like that. The RN used to name it's ship classes like that - there were Castle-class, River-class, Bay-class, etc. - I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Fish-class as well.
The current naming scheme is a bit ****e IMO - the type 42s (destroyers) are named after towns and cities, as are many of the frigates (types 21, 22, 23). They still use some of the old names, though - there's still an Iron Duke, for example, and the new carriers are rumoured to be named Prince of Wales (bad omen? :nervous: ) and Queen Elizabeth. No Ark Royal though... :(
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Submarine. The US used to name their submarines after fish too. Besides, the worst was the Flower-class corvette.
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no, the worst was the fluffy pink bunny sunshine rainbow chipmunk daisy smile class Cruiser.
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Some of these names are awesome :D
I'm particularly fond of the HMS Batman :D
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:wtf: oooooookay.
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'Batman' is the name of an officers' assistant in the army, in case anyone is wondering.