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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Kegel on March 01, 2005, 03:59:32 pm

Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Kegel on March 01, 2005, 03:59:32 pm: How man of you run the source code project vs. just straight Freespace 2?
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Kie99 on March 01, 2005, 04:08:21 pm: IMO probably about 99% of people run SCP.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Galemp on March 01, 2005, 04:13:39 pm: SCP, mainly for the no-CD and glowmap features. It's stable enough.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Nuclear1 on March 01, 2005, 04:57:29 pm: I run regular Freespace 2, simply because I can't get SCP to behave on my computer.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: karajorma on March 01, 2005, 05:17:04 pm: SCP. I've barely touched retail in the last couple of years.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: aldo_14 on March 01, 2005, 05:23:56 pm: SCP. I do love my cockpits, I really do.

:D
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Post by: Falcon on March 01, 2005, 06:22:45 pm: SCP......... though it's nice to play the classic once in a while
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Unknown Target on March 01, 2005, 07:48:35 pm: SCP. I like to mod FS2, and retail doesn't have all the new features :)
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: BlackDove on March 01, 2005, 11:08:51 pm: SCP although I run it exactly as retail looked and felt like.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Taristin on March 01, 2005, 11:16:44 pm: SCP, because I like the way it looks alot better with shine maps and glow maps, as well as high poly models.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: phreak on March 01, 2005, 11:34:07 pm: SCP, because vanilla FS2 looks rather dated.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: FireCrack on March 01, 2005, 11:37:39 pm: SCP, becasue all the new effects fill me with joy.

(these quotes could be in an SCP trailer)
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: kv1at3485 on March 02, 2005, 05:16:44 am: FS_Open. The newest campaigns and missions (and the accompanying MODs) require it.

But I disable most of the new graphic capabilities for performance reasons.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Ransom on March 02, 2005, 05:17:54 am: SCP, because it makes Freespace look new again. Not to mention the new sexps and such.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: c914 on March 02, 2005, 05:23:57 am: SCp becouse my ships can fly there:D
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Xelion on March 02, 2005, 06:47:45 am: Depends on what I'm doing I guess but usually the SCP.

Perhaps one of the admins could add a Poll to the post...
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Black Pete on March 02, 2005, 07:30:12 am: Retail. Cuz´I just finished the FS2 Campain today! Wee! So I haven´t had any real reason to go SCP until now. Looking forward to a better looking game and more campains and such...
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Flaser on March 02, 2005, 08:03:18 am: SCP - though strangely I've been playing mostly the Port with it.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: karajorma on March 02, 2005, 12:42:54 pm: So download them elsewhere (http://web.engr.oregonstate.edu/~plankerj/fs2movies/). :p
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Deepstar on March 02, 2005, 04:47:18 pm: Both :D

Okay, most i used SCP.. but with a few Mods i have crashes under SCP (like COW or Great War 2 Part 2) and then i use Vanilla FS2.

And it's interesting to see Mods like TBP or Inferno without SCP Graphics :D
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Cobra on March 02, 2005, 11:39:26 pm: Quote
Originally posted by nuclear1
I run regular Freespace 2, simply because I can't get SCP to behave on my computer.

same here. although i use tom's build. would that count as SCP?
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: karajorma on March 03, 2005, 07:41:27 am: Nope. Tom's Build is basically retail as far as I'm concerned.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: KappaWing on March 03, 2005, 10:57:51 am: I usually play SCP unless my only option is vanilla. I don't use Fred 2 open because it's really buggy and I want Vanillaspacers to be able to play my missions too.

hmmmm..... *Volcabulary added to Databank: Vanillaspacers* :lol:
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Black Pete on March 06, 2005, 05:50:25 am: Quote
hmmmm..... *Volcabulary added to Databank: Vanillaspacers*

So THATS what I am... Doesn't feel so glamourus...:blah:
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Andreas on March 06, 2005, 06:09:51 am: Quote
Originally posted by nuclear1
I run regular Freespace 2, simply because I can't get SCP to behave on my computer.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: RandomTiger on March 06, 2005, 08:46:53 am: Quote
Originally posted by nuclear1
I run regular Freespace 2, simply because I can't get SCP to behave on my computer.

Guys, I take it you've made sure these bugs are in the bug database?
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: KappaWing on March 06, 2005, 09:14:53 am: Quote

So THATS what I am... Doesn't feel so glamourus...

My advice would be to get Freespace Open. If it doesent behave on your computer or if you Graphics card/processer cant handle it, get a new ones. It's definatley worth it!

Besides, there are some campaigns coming out without FS Open required. I think this is due to the bugs encountered in Fred 2 open. When I make missions, I use standard Fred for that reason. That way, I can actually save loadouts and get decent Y axis ship perception while at the same time allowing Vanillaspacers to play my missions.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: RandomTiger on March 06, 2005, 09:33:14 am: Quote
Originally posted by KappaWing

My advice would be to get Freespace Open. If it doesent behave on your computer or if you Graphics card/processer cant handle it, get a new ones. It's definatley worth it!

Um.. I dont agree with this statement. You should only upgrade if you need to run FSO with high settings.

If you have bugs or slowdowns with low spec settings then make sure there is a bug in the database, add any information you can and start threads in the source forum to politely draw our attention to your issues.

We are doing our best but its not easy and if you want things to get better you must be willing to help diagnose and test the problems.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: MicroPsycho on March 06, 2005, 12:04:48 pm: Is there a chocolate Freespace?

lame, I know
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Fergus on March 06, 2005, 12:29:25 pm: Not used SCP in a while, mainly because I'm FREDing for Retail, still have TBP on though.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: sfried on March 06, 2005, 11:55:01 pm: Both. I can't stand some of the shortcommings of FSO (or maybe they might just be too high-end oriented, like those Herc models),then again the lighting in FSO is tasty. On the other hand, nothing beats watching the FMVs on the retail FS2.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Cobra on March 06, 2005, 11:53:18 pm: :wtf: you don't have a decent video card or something... the herc models handled fine on my comp.

[EDIT] gah. timewarp. reply to sfried.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: WMCoolmon on March 07, 2005, 12:20:46 am: SCP. Definitely SCP. :p

Cutscenes should work in FSO, btw. You just need the AVIs.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: sfried on March 07, 2005, 12:51:13 am: Quote
Originally posted by WMCoolmon
SCP. Definitely SCP. :p

Cutscenes should work in FSO, btw. You just need the AVIs.

I already have the files, and they work fine, 'cept the AVI's themselves are not as good quality as the MVE files on the disk. Must've probably been screencaptured, since the intro AVI has a weird "jitter" in the beginning.

Cobra: The Herc models run fine on D3D, but they take quite a beating when put into OpenGL with forced 2xAA on... And I have a GForce FX 5200 Go. Also, they kinda look out of place when compared to your "low-end" Herc 2 models. I wish they added some tint to the glass on those Hercs to make it more... consistent (Didn't need to waste all the extra polys on the internals of the engine. Could've just probably left it to shinemaps and such. Also, the "tail" light of the Herc is green, not red). Same with the Leviathans/Fenris: I downloaded the lower end models not only because they'd perform better but they are consistent with the models used in the FMVs. (It'd look pretty funny after seeing those clips that what you get in-game looks alot more spiffier)

Also, perhaps the reason I still play FS2: It's easier to see if your shots "hit," as opposed to FSO's smaller, "spazier" shield-hit effects which aren't quite noticable unless you're up close.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: WMCoolmon on March 07, 2005, 12:58:29 am: Er, sorry, I got your name and Cobra's mixed up somehow. :nervous:
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Cobra on March 07, 2005, 10:29:16 am: :lol:

not that hard to mix us up, isn't it?
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Cobra on March 07, 2005, 10:31:14 am: Quote
Originally posted by WMCoolmon
SCP. Definitely SCP. :p

we all knew you were going to say that :p
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: karajorma on March 07, 2005, 01:34:43 pm: Quote
Originally posted by sfried
Both. I can't stand some of the shortcommings of FSO (or maybe they might just be too high-end oriented, like those Herc models)

You do know that mv_models.vp is 100% optional don't you? If the high poly models cause low frame rates don't use them. Simply use the fix vp's from that thread I started instead of mv_models and you'll be fine.

In fact everything in the media.vp files are completely optional
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Ferret on March 07, 2005, 01:56:55 pm: FSOpen. It actually runs slightly better than normal FS2 on my system. O_o

Although Fred2 Opens bugs are starting to make me hit the monitor...
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: RandomTiger on March 07, 2005, 05:47:58 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Ferret
FSOpen. It actually runs slightly better than normal FS2 on my system. O_o

Although Fred2 Opens bugs are starting to make me hit the monitor...

Make sure any problems you encounter for Fred are also in the database. I will try to find time to look over them problems my OGL code caused.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Ferret on March 07, 2005, 05:49:10 pm: Yes they are. The main problem I have with hte vast majority of builds is things such as grid markers and dock points not being rendered in the right place.

A bug which I personally submitted to Mantis a good while ago.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: RandomTiger on March 07, 2005, 05:52:46 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Ferret
Yes they are. The main problem I have with hte vast majority of builds is things such as grid markers and dock points not being rendered in the right place.

A bug which I personally submitted to Mantis a good while ago.

Good for you. :)

Yes I know about that one.
I've tried to fix it a couple of times with no success.
I'll have another go after I've finished the launcher stuff.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Ferret on March 07, 2005, 05:54:37 pm: I'ld love you forever and promise to send you an e-card next valentines day if you do.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: RandomTiger on March 07, 2005, 05:58:14 pm: Errr... thats OK.

Seriously though I will have another stab at it, Im sorry I broke it in the first place.
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Ferret on March 07, 2005, 06:00:41 pm: I'm sure it was for the greater good...

Omg we hi-jacked the thread! Err err... Yeah Freespace Open rocks! Anyone else?
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: pyro-manic on March 07, 2005, 06:35:52 pm: Open, even with it's troubles (the rendering errors in FRED are the only ones that bother me, as I haven't got around to using the media vps) it's a vast improvement. I'm still waiting for shines etc to work on ATI cards (paying £300 for an X800 and then having them not work was a bit of a blow), but the sexps and boosted limits etc. are great. :)
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Vertigo1 on March 10, 2005, 01:10:23 am: SCP! :) My GF4 Ti4600 absolutely loves it, and comes back begging for more!
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Carl on March 10, 2005, 04:27:11 am: back on topic:

I play with, but it would be even better if my drivers would let me see spec highlights :(
Title: FS2 SCP or Plain Vanilla?
Post by: Annorax on March 10, 2005, 04:43:12 pm: SCP. Despite my system being pretty much low-end these days (read: can't even load Inferno), it runs pretty well.

Besides, I could never give up FS1 despite it never running right on my system. The Port is what brought me back to FS2...