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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => The Modding Workshop => Topic started by: Cobra on March 04, 2005, 09:47:27 pm

Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 04, 2005, 09:47:27 pm: This thread is a re-start of the "Utility Freighter" one that's buried in pages of HLP history.

sorry I haven't updated in a while, i had some issues with Homework. (don't ask)

anyway, take a look at the latest pics.

(http://img175.exs.cx/img175/4193/betterxwing5ex.jpg)

(http://img45.exs.cx/img45/6744/betterxwing22ne.jpg)

notice the details on the guns and engines. I kinda evened out the R2 unit, and added the tuby thing on it.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: RedAssAg05 on March 04, 2005, 09:50:39 pm: some objective critique? Make the thinnest part of the laser cannons (before the semi-circle diffusion vanes) longer. The laser focal rods (forward of the diffusion vanes) should be longer too. Other than that, a good start!!! I like the detail on R2 so far...he is so often neglected!
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 04, 2005, 09:59:29 pm: uh... look at this pic, from like 3 months ago.

(http://img206.exs.cx/img206/6446/xwing32ib.jpg)

see the difference? :D
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: RedAssAg05 on March 04, 2005, 09:55:23 pm: Hey, great progress!!! I never doubted that it was hard and productive work...I was just offering suggestions for improvement...was not in any way trying to slander your work or progress. I'm sorry if you took it as such.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 04, 2005, 10:08:07 pm: nah, i just wanted to show you the improvement :D :D

is this long enough?

(http://img210.exs.cx/img210/9800/betterxwing37iu.jpg)
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: RedAssAg05 on March 04, 2005, 10:17:52 pm: yep!!! that's about right...except...the smallest cylinder should be the one lengthened, not the medium thickness cylinder
--sorry, big Star Wars fan...;-)

You're absolutely right...big improvement!! I wish I had the time to get into this stuff!! I'm already impressed! you obviously have the attention to detail that it takes to make great models like I've seen here in the past!
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 04, 2005, 10:20:21 pm: meh, i have an Xwing toy for reference :D

and I actually did lengthen the little cannon points, but if i move the points over too much it'll look weird.

aren't we all SW fans? i have the special edition on DVD, plus the original VHS videos :p
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Taristin on March 04, 2005, 10:15:20 pm: Quote
Originally posted by RedAssAg05
Stuff.

As much as I want to ask why you have a red ass, I shall force restraint. ;)

Cobra: Work on the body of the ship. It's still just a stretched cube from the looks of it.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 04, 2005, 10:23:15 pm: CRAP! MORE TIMEWARPS! I HATE THE ****ings!!

*ahem* that's actually the best i can do for right now, Raa. if i get an inspiration on how to fix it, i'll redo the body ;)
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: RedAssAg05 on March 04, 2005, 10:23:15 pm: Oh man...VHS...YES!!! LoL...I remember when I was introduced to SW...VHS taped from network TV:-) For years I saw ESB from the point when Luke escaped from the Wampa. When I finally saw the whole version, I thought it was some 'new' beginning they'd done or something;-) Hey, I was like 8 years old, what can I say:-D
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: RedAssAg05 on March 04, 2005, 10:24:48 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Raa

As much as I want to ask why you have a red ass, I shall force restraint. ;)

Cobra: Work on the body of the ship. It's still just a stretched cube from the looks of it.

Heh heh...being 'Red Assed' in Aggieland (Texas A&M) means you have a lot of school spirit, and whatever you do you do hard core;-)
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 04, 2005, 10:25:34 pm: i was 6 when i heard about the THX remastered ones. those are the ones I have. the DVD is MUUUUUCH better. every little detail is shown. IT IS SO COOL. especially the bonus material. :D
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 04, 2005, 11:52:54 pm: is this better, guys? the front I mean. wanna see how you guys think before i redo the nose.

(http://img131.exs.cx/img131/5233/better5eo.jpg)
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Night Hammer on March 05, 2005, 01:36:57 am: Quote
Originally posted by RedAssAg05

Heh heh...being 'Red Assed' in Aggieland (Texas A&M) means you have a lot of school spirit, and whatever you do you do hard core;-)

oh dear god weve got an aggie:doubt:

Hook em Horns
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Roanoke on March 05, 2005, 04:53:12 am: Glad to see you're sticking with it Cobra.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Col. Fishguts on March 05, 2005, 05:08:07 am: Quote
Originally posted by Cobra
meh, i have an Xwing toy for reference :D
....

This might help you. (http://www.rpgplanet.com/starwars/pics/xwing.jpg)
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: TopAce on March 05, 2005, 07:05:38 am: The older version's nose was better. Don't make it flat.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 05, 2005, 10:53:17 am: uh, actually, I haven't done the nose yet. I'm re-doing the body, and the nose as well.

and col. fishguts, that does help, but only to a certain extent. the toy has every little detail (except for the R2 unit :D)
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: aldo_14 on March 05, 2005, 10:58:49 am: Quote
Originally posted by RedAssAg05

Heh heh...being 'Red Assed' in Aggieland (Texas A&M) means you have a lot of school spirit, and whatever you do you do hard core;-)

Here it means you've been brutally raped by burly convicts, but each to their own...........
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 05, 2005, 03:10:00 pm: +1 for aldo
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Grimloq on March 05, 2005, 08:15:53 pm: ooh! page from that book ^_^ i love that book!

as for aldo: ...wtf? that would be what it means literally. *blinks**shoots aldo*
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 07, 2005, 05:14:51 pm: hmm. i'm trying to make a "snub-nose" like from the actual movie, etc, but I can't make the faces.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: WMCoolmon on March 07, 2005, 05:41:29 pm: What's the polycount?
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 07, 2005, 05:42:04 pm: dunno if Blender even tells...
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: TopAce on March 08, 2005, 09:32:21 am: There must be a way to know if. A modelling program without any options to tell you the polycount is like the Easter Bunny without a basket with eggs in it.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: redsniper on March 08, 2005, 10:46:44 am: Quote
Originally posted by Night Hammer
oh dear god weve got an aggie:doubt:

Aggies and HLP: Two things I never thought I'd see together.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: aldo_14 on March 08, 2005, 10:56:28 am: Quote
Originally posted by TopAce
There must be a way to know if. A modelling program without any options to tell you the polycount is like the Easter Bunny without a basket with eggs in it.

That'd be the Easter bunny after easter, then? :p

Um, I believe blender does have a face-count display somewhere, but it's quite well hidden. IIRC it doesn't actually give a triangulate or give a triangulated count, albeit I last used blender several years ago.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 13, 2005, 01:44:04 pm: Well, I just found out how many vertices and faces I have, but i can't tell how many polys.

Vertices: 2502
Faces: 2797
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: TopAce on March 13, 2005, 03:23:46 pm: Faces = Polies.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 13, 2005, 03:45:14 pm: :eek2: i have almost 3000 polys... is that good or bad?
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: aldo_14 on March 13, 2005, 03:57:11 pm: Sounds a bit high for what you have there; I'd suggest it's the cylindrical parts, you should look at cutting down them a wee bit (focus on the inside parts; those are likely to be less visible and thus require less detail).

Faces.... might be higher than that in actuality, as FS2 triangulates everything on display (NB: traingulation reduces the model to be completly comprised of triangles; this is because triangles cannot bend and are thus perfectly flat, which cannot be guarenteed of shapes with more points/edges)
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: RedAssAg05 on March 13, 2005, 11:42:56 pm: Quote
Originally posted by redsniper

Aggies and HLP: Two things I never thought I'd see together.

...I don't get it

;)
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: redsniper on March 14, 2005, 04:36:22 pm: well... Aggies tend to be farm/mechanic type people that like football* and welding. Generally. HLPers tend to be hacker/nerd type people that like screwing with computers and the internet. Generally. There are, of course, exceptions on both sides. I just never thought I'd see these two groups, er... overlap.

*that's rugby for you Brits, not soccer:p
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: RedAssAg05 on March 14, 2005, 04:41:46 pm: Well, guess you've never met any Aggie engineers;-) (not that I am one)

but I hear ya! lol
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 14, 2005, 04:42:38 pm: uh, guys? shut up. :doubt:
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: RedAssAg05 on March 14, 2005, 05:00:59 pm: Oops...sorry chief. Don't you just hate it when off-topic retards hijack your thread? I know I do!!

Seriously though...hope your XWing's coming along well!
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 15, 2005, 12:02:48 am: I dug up Jake Logan's Xwing for comparison. chek it.

Jake Logan's:

(http://img240.exs.cx/img240/9283/xwingpic7zu.jpg)

Mine:

(http://img175.exs.cx/img175/4193/betterxwing5ex.jpg)

(http://img45.exs.cx/img45/6744/betterxwing22ne.jpg)
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: WMCoolmon on March 15, 2005, 12:46:06 am: Quote
Originally posted by aldo_14
Sounds a bit high for what you have there; I'd suggest it's the cylindrical parts, you should look at cutting down them a wee bit (focus on the inside parts; those are likely to be less visible and thus require less detail).
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 15, 2005, 11:04:09 am: well, actually, there aren't a whole lot of inside parts in an X-Wing.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: MetalDestroyer on March 15, 2005, 11:39:11 pm: Try to make details on the main part :D
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 15, 2005, 11:44:13 pm: heh.

anyway, i made a temporary nose for the xwing. yes, i know it's ugly, but that's just a placeholder for now.

(http://img198.exs.cx/img198/6171/xwingnose3nw.jpg)
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 16, 2005, 12:15:28 am: STOP THE PRESSES! New nose, and less ugly looking. should i keep this nose? this is the best i can do for now.

(http://img46.exs.cx/img46/4605/xwingnose7tk.jpg)
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 26, 2005, 07:40:53 pm: anyone have any suggestions on what to add?
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: WMCoolmon on March 26, 2005, 07:43:18 pm: The cockpit could be more distinct.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 26, 2005, 07:48:16 pm: that i'm not sure how...
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Grimloq on March 26, 2005, 08:58:17 pm: Triple posts are generally frowned upon, Cobra :p

That said, select the faces, bevel at 89 degrees (You prolly can't do 90), then sweep the new face, and then move that in a bit. It makes support struts...
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 26, 2005, 09:00:28 pm: um, blender doesn't have a bevel option.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Vasudan Admiral on March 26, 2005, 09:58:05 pm: Select the verts, press e, move to wherever you want the bit to stick out to. Basic Blender modding technique. :p
Also, keep in mind that Blender has a lot more functionality than it appears. I've been using it for about 3-4 years now, and there are still new techniques and functions i find. My advice in that regard is to never assume blender doesn't have a certain function until you find proof that it doesn't. ;)

As model advice, the power of blender comes from how easy it is to manipulate the mesh on a verticie by verticie basis. From what i can tell, you're barely using that power with this mesh.
Look into editing parts on a verticie level rather than manipulating primitive objects.
The next stage is to build ships practically face by face, or at least area by area. Once you get the hang of that, you'll find that any sort of details, shapes, greebles etc. are possible, and the whole model 'blends' (;)) together far better than it otherwise would.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: MetalDestroyer on March 27, 2005, 08:56:55 am: Try to add form on your main part like this :

http://img177.exs.cx/img177/4582/xwingsmoothnose5em.jpg

And don't forget the twin Proton Torpedos Launcher.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Ferret on March 27, 2005, 12:55:17 pm: Anyone would think this is an X-Wing model competition...

<_ _>

*Discreetly opens Max*
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: TopAce on March 27, 2005, 12:58:26 pm: :blah:
Better not show the X-wing I made three years ago.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Luigi30 on March 27, 2005, 01:58:58 pm: (http://luigi30.com/microwing.jpg)

The GTF Xwing hijacked by NTF operatives and flown from the GTD Microwave to the NTC Toaster.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: TopAce on March 28, 2005, 02:43:29 am: :wtf:
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 28, 2005, 10:00:36 am: uh, is that MY old xwing? THAT'S COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL. :p

come on, topace, show us. :D
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: TopAce on March 28, 2005, 12:33:04 pm: I no longer have that model. However, I believe I can show you the X-wing model the SWC is currently using.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: TopAce on March 28, 2005, 12:38:53 pm: Here you go, this is not the actual model, but an X-wing, anyway.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 28, 2005, 01:48:40 pm: the swc team should use the guy who made his on TS when i was making mine. what was his name? :nervous:
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: TopAce on March 28, 2005, 01:49:47 pm: Darksaber? We have his X-wing, but I don't have a texture for it on my HD. I can show you a wireframe view or untextured view, if you want.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: MetalDestroyer on March 28, 2005, 04:07:34 pm: Cobra -> it's me who have done the X wing in the same time :D
But now, with the hard work i have this time I can't finalize the model.
The actual model have more than 2000 errors when converting the model into POF with CVS.
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Luigi30 on March 29, 2005, 03:00:56 pm: (http://luigi30.com/bosch.jpg)

When you have time to spare between blowing up Death Stars, pop open a cold Bosch Beer!
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Cobra on March 29, 2005, 03:05:50 pm: :lol:
Title: Xwing Model
Post by: Charismatic on March 31, 2005, 08:01:38 pm: lol sweet.