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My paycheck is barely 5 hours old and already I've bought KOTOR...the question is where do I put it. I probably have to delete some music and archive my fansubs...
But to the point, any non-spoiler tips for me?
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Putting skill points into Computer Use is good.
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Do all the side-quests. Not only does it advance the story and makes for a richer experience, but it also makes things easier later on, because you've leveled more than you would by sticking to the bare minimum.
I'm actually replaying KOTOR right now, in preparation for KOTOR2. I'm about half-way through and steadily drifting towards the dark side (that's intentional, last time through I was light-side)
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I was expecting stuff like class recomendations and semi-spoilerish things.
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I don't like Jedi Consular and Scoundrel, as they are fairly week in combat with not enough of a boost to counter it. I'd suggest some combination of the other four.
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Originally posted by Grey Wolf
Putting skill points into Computer Use is good.
No it´s not. Unlike KOTOR 1, here you have several caracters that come fully prepped for computer use and security. Infact, there are at least 3 of them that come with 20+ skill points in comp use, like Bao-dur and Atton. Put those points in something that the others don´t have, like "persuade" points. You won´t need comp use, ever! Besides, if you need to open something, you can simply equip one of those new uber implants, that grant you 6 or more points in every category.
I think KOTOR 2 is way too easy. Much easier than the first. I suggest you play in "hard", or it will be over before you know it.
I´m on the last leg of the game myself, just a few more kills and it´s game over for me. I just got sidetracked playing X2: Threat.
:nod:
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I think Lib meant he bought KotOR 1 from his post, not KotOR 2.
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Understand, I have much upgrading to do to this poor overworked box in the coming months before I am capable of playing KOTOR2 or Doom3(i have too, I just have too), nevermind finishing HW2(a legit version this time) and some of the other games I haven't played because of no money or not meeting sys recs.
I picked KOTOR up for $19.99, BTW.
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Blasters are your friend until you have a lightsaber. Two pistols and Rapid Shot give good results, but remember to stay away from the baddies. If they get up in your face, switch to a melee weapon, blasters take a penalty at that range and Rapid Shot lowers your defense slightly. Two-Weapon Fighting and its improvement feats will also serve you well. Don't buy more then two ore three ranged weapon feats, however: they won't be so useful later on.
One you get a lightsaber and Jedi Defense, though, stick with that. Lots of points into dexterity will serve you well, particularly if you go for two lightsabers or a double-bladed one. Some of the powers are restricted by armor (a carryover from the D&D origins of the game rules, and stupid, IMO, but it's there) so stick to the Jedi clothing type of stuff. Buy the upgraded lightsaber proficency feats as soon as you can, and the lightsaber throw power too.
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rakafrakin...i can't free up enough space for the 4 gb!?!?! installation and have anything left for my swap file.:mad:
I'll dick around with it some more later, I've waited almost 2 years, another week won't kill me.
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just wait until you get force storm(or whatever level 3 force lightning is), its marvelous:p
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KOTOR2 has the same system requirements as KOTOR1 since they're using the same engine and KOTOR2 only has some minor improvements graphics wise. (slightly higher polygon count major NPCs and weather effects)
Semi-spoiler: If you haven't figured out KOTOR1's plot twist by the time the roll up text is done, you should be sterilized :p It's about as subtle as Bhaal's holy symbol being plastered all over the Baldur's Gate cover to make us pretend that we have no idea that our orphan character is a Bhaalspawn...
Oddly enough though it seems most people haven't figured this out about Bioware games.
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i didnt figure it out for a while......:nervous:
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Actually KOTOR2 uses the same engine as KOTOR, so if you can run the first on your current setup, you can also run the second.
As for semi-spoilerish stuff....hmm. Well, designate one party member (Jedi) to be a droid-killer, then give him the appropriate skills/force powers. Normal droids are a breeze, but when you run into some of the heavier ones, especially shielded, all your normal weapons (lightsaber included) are pretty much useless, so your best bet is the anti-droid force power.
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Did you party? I assumed that this was a single character setup like NWN.
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Nope. You can have a maximum of 3 party members active at any one time, yourself and two others. There are a total of 9 party members that you meet throughout the game, and you can switch between them instantly (except when in battle.)
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I think I figured out a way to move my install of Renegade so that I can still play that while I work through KOTOR, this means that i can start KOTOR before I get a newer, bigger HD.
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Originally posted by Night Hammer
just wait until you get force storm(or whatever level 3 force lightning is), its marvelous:p
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Well, I have my initial feelings after having played for about 3.5 hours.
The story feels...rushed...somehow, I'm not really sure what exactly is going on yet, just that I have to rescue some Jedi babe named Bastilla. The annoying "Fed Ex" type quests are missing for the most part, which is a bummer since those type quests are useful early on to allow new players to assimilate into the play style.
As far as game play goes it feels like a port from a console, but it's intentional since it was multi-platform release. I'd still like it better if I could play it from a NWN type perspective, trying to drive with the WASD keys is mushy at best.
Load times are also quite decent. Most areas load in 5-8 seconds on my Athlon XP 1800+.
My biggest complaint is the voice acting. Bits of it are adequate. But overall the VAs speak too fast to pronounce the words properly and get the right emotion into their voice.
It performs decently on my system, it's playable at about 12 or 13 fps, but it will be nicer when i upgrade.
I do not understand, however, how it won so many game of the year awards with such glaring flaws.
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You're not in the story at all yet. The main story doesn't begin until Dantooine. The graphics trump NWN fairly easily, and the WASD style of movement seems quite natural after a bit. Also, never really noticed any problems with the voice actors when I played through, with the exception of Carth and Mission being incredibly annoying.
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Originally posted by Liberator
Well, I have my initial feelings after having played for about 3.5 hours.
The story feels...rushed...somehow, I'm not really sure what exactly is going on yet, just that I have to rescue some Jedi babe named Bastilla. The annoying "Fed Ex" type quests are missing for the most part, which is a bummer since those type quests are useful early on to allow new players to assimilate into the play style.
As far as game play goes it feels like a port from a console, but it's intentional since it was multi-platform release. I'd still like it better if I could play it from a NWN type perspective, trying to drive with the WASD keys is mushy at best.
Load times are also quite decent. Most areas load in 5-8 seconds on my Athlon XP 1800+.
My biggest complaint is the voice acting. Bits of it are adequate. But overall the VAs speak too fast to pronounce the words properly and get the right emotion into their voice.
It performs decently on my system, it's playable at about 12 or 13 fps, but it will be nicer when i upgrade.
I do not understand, however, how it won so many game of the year awards with such glaring flaws.
Trust me, its an aquired taste. As for the voice acting, I think its one of the best I've heard in any game. The voice-acotr who does Carth also has a role in Republic Commando, or at least thats the way it sounded in the demo, and deservedly so. I also thought the perspective was a very refreshing change from the standard isometric view, its like a third person shooter/rpg.
Stick with it, and you will soon see why it won so many awards. Like Grey Wolf said, the story doesn't really start until Dantooine, which is the planet after Taris.
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When I said it felt rushed, I meant that it feels like I'm skipping parts of the story. That and I haven't hit any random encounters yet either.
Carth is annoying as hell.
I had just got Mission(stupid name, even for a Twil'lek) when my system decided to do a hard restart.(It does this from time to time, mostly when the page file has filled up and it's low on memory, yet I can leave BT up for 12 hours at a go(when I'm at work) and it's as smooth as glass when I start using it again)
I'm used to it mostly already, but I think it would be better if it strafed instead of turned.
It's also annoying that there is no quick switch between ranged and melee weapondry, unlike previous Bioware games. And why can't I use a blaster and a Vibrosword(the first upgradeable one) at the same time.
The graphics are top notch, which is surpising given the short load tmes and the battle animations are the best I've ever seen however.
How long is it BTW?
I guess it's just not what I was expecting, I was expecting NWN set in the Star Wars universe and it's not like that at all. All of BWs RPGs have had the same control scheme since the very first BG and granted the hotkeys are mostly the same, but the feel is different. Most of my "complaints"(they aren't really, they're just really little, ticky things that are annoying me) all stem from the game being essentially a console port. BG&E was the same way. I got sick of fighting with BG&E controls, they were just too clunky, and thusly uninstalled it. I pray that I doesn't happen with KOTOR.
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KOTOR was developed on PCs, the X-Box version is the 'port.' The WASD controls are on purpose to make the game more like an FPS. It's a little tricky at first, but you get used to it.
KOTOR2 has a switch between ranged/melee hotkey.
Anyway, the plot is rather bland until you get to Dantooine, where the game definately picks up.
This is the first time I've heard anyone complain about the voiceovers. All of the voice actors/actresses are the ones in previous Bioware/BIS games and are all competent people. Also the fact that the whole game has voiceovers is very nice, considering the amount of dialog.
Also, if you go darkside you can kill Mission. Darkside females get to kill Carth too if they get the romance going :)
If you think Carth is annoying, you'll love the comments that a certain homicidal droid you haven't met yet has to say about him in KOTOR2.
As for KOTOR1's length- 20-30 hours. 40 hours if you do every side quest. Then there's the replayability between male/female and lightside/darkside.
KOTOR2 is about the same length, with a tad bit more replayability due to the influence system.
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Originally posted by Ace
Also, if you go darkside you can kill Mission.
Dang it, now I've got a good reason to play the game again as the dark side. That's a whole 'nother 40 hours to waste.
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Originally posted by Ace
Also, if you go darkside you can kill Mission.
The way you can kill her is propably the most evil thing you can do in the game. It was the only time I really felt like: "I can't do this. It's just too sick and twisted". All the other evil stuff is just being a bully and stealing a candy from kids.
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Oooooooh.
How?
I'm (re)playing as darkside (though I'm not technically darkside yet, kind of grey) and this would definitely be interesting. So far, I can't seem to stick to consistanly doing evil things, but I'm on Korriban so hopefully I can change that.
Lib: you do realize that you can use the mouse almost exclusively, right? Holding down the right mouse button allows you to rotate, and holding down the left moves you forward. I can imagine how you might find the control clunky if you're using WASD, but try the mouse for a while and I think you will probably like it better. All you need the keyboard for is Tab to switch members and Space to pause.
If you ask me, I would like to see more RPGS made this way. Its so much closer and more dynamic that lets say Baldur's Gate or even NWN.
BTW, does anyone know if those two panels over in the station near Yavin (with the wierd hermit inventor) are at all openable, or are they just for show? The two at the bacl I mean, one on each side.
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How?
Force persuade "Big Z" to choke the life out of mission.
As for the two doors in that station, they're just for show.
My first game I joked around with the thought that "I'm going to go all evil once on Korriban" but when seeing just how stupid the Sith were save Master Uthar... I decided to stick to the lightside. I mean... they were soooo stupid and petty. Who ever knew that Sith actually stood for: "Shrubs in Training... Hallelujah!"
At least Sion and Nihilus reek of badassitude. Unlike Malak who probably lost his jaw whining to Revan.
Also, Libertator please tell me you figured out the plot twist by now...
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No! Just shut up man, just keep your fool mouth shut.
Don't tell him anything. Don't even tell him that there is anything to tell.
Just...shoosh!
As for going dark side, I doing it only for the replayability. I've already finished it once on light.
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Originally posted by Ace
How?
Force persuade "Big Z" to choke the life out of mission.
As for the two doors in that station, they're just for show.
My first game I joked around with the thought that "I'm going to go all evil once on Korriban" but when seeing just how stupid the Sith were save Master Uthar... I decided to stick to the lightside. I mean... they were soooo stupid and petty. Who ever knew that Sith actually stood for: "Shrubs in Training... Hallelujah!"
At least Sion and Nihilus reek of badassitude. Unlike Malak who probably lost his jaw whining to Revan.
Also, Libertator please tell me you figured out the plot twist by now... [/B]
Oh, man...that's just HORRIFYING...
I'll have to try it out. :devil:
Personally, I felt Revan with his mask and cloak outfit was the best out of them all for badassness.
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Damn.... and there was me searching for a reason to replay KOTOR1. Should probably complete the sequel first, though :D
NB: KOTOR2; better story, worse game (but not by much). They worked in some real moral ambiguity there.
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Originally posted by Ace
Also, Libertator please tell me you figured out the plot twist by now...
Plot twist...?!?!?
I haven't seen much of a plot yet, most of the game so far has been a blur. I'm thinking about starting over.
It seems like there's not enough happening between story related dialogues. I mean you talk to one person in one place and they tell you to go talk to another person in another place and there is no conflict or sense of flow other than the 5 mins it takes for you to walk there.
I think the part of the GUI I miss the most is the scroll window at the bottom that keeps up with what's been said.
My complaint about the VAs and the general pacing is that it takes me longer to read the subs than for them to finish speaking, and that means they are speaking to fast. Also, it feels like I spent more time on the Endar than I have running running around Tiras, maybe because there was actual conflict and Tiras is all stealth and crap. Anybody who's played against me in Renegade will tell you I don't doo stealth all that well, unless I"m actually invisible.
If I start over:
Scout or Soldier? I kind of like the scout, they mix the skills of the other two fairly effectively. They don't suck at combat and have the more important of the scoundrel's skills(lock picking).
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don't start over, just keep going. How much have you done on Taris so far?
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Let's see, going from memory(I'm at my parents ATM):
I've saved a couple of folk from getting whacked by the local mob(which I think I'm going to have to ingratiate myself to to get offworld alive)
went wandering around the lower city(not the undercity), killed an assasin and a bunch of Vulkars for no reason(though the assassin had some nice gear)
ran into a cutscene with a bounty hunter that looked like a reject from a Devo video.
figured out how the work table works to upgrade weapons n armor
bought my panaak deck(i'm not terribly good) beaten 2 of the dudes in the Arena
run out of cash...twice
gotten a suit of sith armor by making a deal with the former owner
bought a droid that blew up in the doorway out of the shop and got a refund
maybe a couple of other things top side
but the last thing i did was get Mission into my party but my computer decided to restart for no reason.(which it does from time to time)
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You've still got a fair way to go on Taris, but you should be getting plenty more combat very soon, but I don't want to spoil it.
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yeah, you've barely scratched the surface of the story. just keep going. :drevil:
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Story? The story doesn't even really START till you get Bastila.
Keep going, Lib. It'll pay off.
...and If they're speaking faster than you can read it, you're reading damn slow :D
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I'm used to reading sub on my Gundam fansubs...
I also thought that rescuing Bastila was a major story point and a fairly major quest since all I've been getting is here play this game or go fight in this arena.
BTW, what level should I be when I get Mission?
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The first planet, Taris, is really just to help you get a feel for gameplay. Think of it as an excruciatingly long tutorial.
The level you're at is fine. Really, you want to be as low-level as possible, until you become a Jedi.
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Yeah, once you get off Taris it picks up and becomes really good. Not that I'd recommend leaving Taris too soon :nervous: - oh, and try not to level your main character up atall on there like Jetmech said; you can be incredibly powerful once you become a Jedi.
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The dark side is...fun.
Bwahaha! I just killed Master Uthar at the Sith Temple, then killed his apprentice Yuthura, then proceeded to slaughter the entire base down to the last man when the fools made the dire mistake of attacking me. I am death, destroyer of worlds!
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Hi, Death.
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Damnit all to hell!!!!!!:hopping:
It keeps crashing. This is what I get for trying to run it on a minimum spec system.
The devil take it all!
I get decent framerates, and there are no problems it's just a random period of time after I start...boom...crash city.
I'm minimum on all spec except the processor
DX: requires 9.0b, I have 9.0c
Processor: requires 1ghz, I have 1800+
Memory: requires 256mb, i have 256
it doesn't say how much swap file it needs.
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Originally posted by Ace
My first game I joked around with the thought that "I'm going to go all evil once on Korriban" but when seeing just how stupid the Sith were save Master Uthar... I decided to stick to the lightside. I mean... they were soooo stupid and petty. Who ever knew that Sith actually stood for: "Shrubs in Training... Hallelujah!"
I prefer the pure destruction rationale when going to the dark side. Which, incidentally, involves slaughtering every single living thing in the Sith Academy on Korriban. Makes me feel a bit dirty, though.
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Pfft, they attacked you first. And besides, if 25+ of them can't stand up to you and two others, they deserve whats coming (Calo and HK-47, fully loaded out and packin' heat in my case).
Oh and, use spoilers tag. Don't want to ruin it for Lib.
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Any ideas why it keeps crashing?
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The computer or just the game? If its the computer, it might be overheating.
Also, assuming you have a legit copy of the game, try patching it to whatever the newest version is. Thats all I can think of.
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Not really, except for perhaps overheating.
And Rictor...
I'd say it was a conscious decision, given the fact that in the battle in the tomb I chose the "I'm Revan, now die!" style reply. Of course, the stupid apprentices did try standing up to Darth Revan, so they deserved their deaths.
Incidentally, this now makes me want to replay the game...
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Well:
Redeeming Yuthura is interesting, especially if you do it before Dantooine is destroyed and you go and talk to her. It's one of the better dialogs in the entire game.
You gotta love HK, though I think he's even better in KOTOR2 :)
(Paraphrasing here)
Exile: "Actually you and the HK-50s sound pretty similar..."
HK-47: "Exclamation: Master, the HK-50s lack the menacing static hissing sound in the background that inspires fear in meatbags! I also find it hard to believe that you missed the fact that they call meatbags 'organics,' which is quite detestable!"
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AH! That's better, I turned down the texture details and it works fine now, I also found the quick save key so if it crashes again I won't have 35-40 minutes of work to redo.
Bastila is all saved and stuff. Quite the ego she's got there(close to the same size as Kazan's).
As far as the plot twist you blokes were on about:
Bastila is possessed by Revan
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Originally posted by Liberator
AH! That's better, I turned down the texture details and it works fine now, I also found the quick save key so if it crashes again I won't have 35-40 minutes of work to redo.
Bastila is all saved and stuff. Quite the ego she's got there(close to the same size as Kazan's).
As far as the plot twist you blokes were on about:
Yes, Bastila has been twisted by the evil of the darkside... forever! *cue cheesy Malak laugh* Or has she?
...and we all know you like being subservient to people with large egoes... ;)
Needless to say, when you learn about Revan some more you'll find out why Atton think she's the sexiest Sith Lord ever. ...or was he just hoping Revan was a woman? *dum dum dum*
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Umm, I'm in the apartment on Tiras just after saving Bastila. I don't know who "Atton" is or why he is obsessed with Revan. I determined that Bastila was possessed(or somesuch) because the blast from Revan killed her buddies and not her.
And for the record? I'd like to rip out Kazan's still beating heart sometimes. How can anyone go through life with such a jaundiced veiw on life?
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Look in the mirror, your theology is just as jaundiced :p
Atton is in KOTOR2. He's a scoundrel, you'll hate him.
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I can neither confirm nor deny Bastilla's involvement with any deceased Sith Lords, though I can say that she mellows out a bit as the game progresses, though remains quite arrogant throughout BTW Lib, its Taris.
As for Atton, erm, have I missed something? Where is he specifically? I don't remember anyone like that.
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Originally posted by Rictor
As for Atton, erm, have I missed something? Where is he specifically? I don't remember anyone like that.
KOTOR2. Atton Rand. "I'm as Atton as Atton'll ever be!" Rand.
You know, that imbecile and fool according to Kreia :p
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Originally posted by Ace
KOTOR2. Atton Rand. "I'm as Atton as Atton'll ever be!" Rand.
You know, that imbecile and fool according to Kreia :p
I haven't played KOTOR2 yet. Though (by the looks of it) neither has Lib and he's found him in the apartments on Taris.
wait, is he the guy who has a bounty on his head who you can help fake his own death?
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Originally posted by Rictor
I haven't played KOTOR2 yet. Though (by the looks of it) neither has Lib and he's found him in the apartments on Taris.
wait, is he the guy who has a bounty on his head who you can help fake his own death?
Atton Rand, who is not in KOTOR1:
(http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~eji/KoTOR2/attonsketches2.jpg)
(http://www.gamebanshee.com/starwarskotorii/npcs/images/attonrand.jpg)