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Hosted Projects - Standalone => Wing Commander Saga => Topic started by: aceofbase on March 15, 2005, 10:22:03 am
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hi, at the early 1990, i started playing wc games. i came across a few of them but i never realy payed attention to the names of those games .
now i am trying to restore some good old memories and am trying to find some of those games and i didnt know wing commander had all those games witch i saw at wcnews.com/guides . ok now i made a search at an abandonwear ws to see what wc games i can download .
and it tells me the falowing :
1_wing commander academy
2_ // armada
3_ // privateer
4_ // secret ops
5_ // kilrathi saga
6_ // unknown enemy
ok all this is great what i need to ask is: witch of the previous games is wing comander (1,2,3,4) or non of them is? because at the game guides they dont say the titles of the game just the number wing commander 1,2.... ec , and i want to know witch one is 1 or 2 so i can get the game i want lol . i know this letter is another episod of my poor vocabulelry but i didnt find the time to go to the dictionary. guyes at the language cheking feel free to edit my message to correct spelling if you want but please dont delete it .
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The first 4 WCs were called 1,2,3 and 4 :p
Kilrathi saga should be a later pack with the first 3 titles, while privateer is an elite-style space trade/fighting game (IIRC).
About academy, armada and unknown enemy i don't have the faintest hint, secret ops is the last WC ever made, sort of half sequel/free standalone mission pack (based on profecy?).
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Originally posted by aceofbase
1_wing commander academy
2_ // armada
3_ // privateer
4_ // secret ops
5_ // kilrathi saga
6_ // unknown enemy
Im pretty sure none of these are abandon ware.
Secondly, Unknown Enemy is a MOD (like SAGA is a mod) based off the Prophecy: Secret Ops engine.
These arent the order in the slightest.
ok all this is great what i need to ask is: witch of the previous games is wing comander (1,2,3,4) or non of them is?
None of them specifically, except maybe Kilrathi SAGA which is WC1+2+3 reprogrammed for Windows. They still go for hundreds on ebay so if it was abandon ware people sure are wasting their money eh?
because at the game guides they dont say the titles of the game just the number wing commander 1,2.... ec , and i want to know witch one is 1 or 2 so i can get the game i want lol.
Look on ebay, should be quite cheap now.
i know this letter is another episod of my poor vocabulelry but i didnt find the time to go to the dictionary. guyes at the language cheking feel free to edit my message to correct spelling if you want but please dont delete it . [/B]
I understood you
Ed
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For the WC games 1-5 they have subtitels, but the main titel is WC, WC2,WC3 ans so on....lets see if I could get all the subtitels together
WC1 -> No subtitle
WC1 Secret Missions 1 -> ???
WC1 Secret Missions 2 -> ???
WC2 -> Vengance of the Kilrathi
WC2 Special Operations 1 -> ???
WC2 Special Operations 2 -> Crusade
WC3 -> Heart of the Tiger
WC4 -> The price of freedom
WC5 -> Prophecy
WC5 Secret Ops -> No subtitle
Now their have been some games that are in the same universe, but not in a strict historical order.
WC: Academy -> First try on a "Build your own missions" for WC
WC: Armada -> A "strategie" game in the WC Universe
WC: Privateer -> Trade and fight sim.
WC: Privateer 2 -> "The Darkening" also Trade and fightgame with real actors and cinematic sequenzes.
WC: Kilrathi Saga -> Contains the Win95 version of the first 3 games.
And now the titels of some mods in development
WC: Unknown enemy -> Has been release, based in the WC5: Secret Ops engine (vision). Can be found here Unknown Enemy (http://unknownenemy.solsector.net/)
WC: Standoff -> Still in development, first demo has been released. Also based in the Vision engine. Can be found here Standoff (http://standoff.solsector.net/)
WC: Saga -> Well this is our forum so I guess you know what its about ^_^
WC: Privateer Remake -> Don't know a lot about it...as the name says they try to recreate Privateer PrivRemake (http://priv.solsector.net/)
WC: The Reckoning -> Privateer remake based on the Freelancer engine.
PS: As far as I know some of the games are on the abandoneware sites, but I don't know if they realy are abandoneware.
So try to find the games on Ebay if you want a legal copy.
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If you want to play 1-3, buy Kilrathi Saga on e-bay. The problem is, it is hard to find and expensive. But, it is not abandonware, so be aware that any internet download would be illegal, and thus I think it would be a bad idea (I know, I know, we love the games and want a way to play them... life is difficult that way).
You can purchase WC 4 on e-bay for less. There's both a DOS and and a Windows version.
If you want the feeling of WC2, go to wcnews.com, download the free (and legal) Prophecy Secret Ops starter package, and then dowload the mod Standoff.
Then, if you just wait, you will get the free and legal Wing Commander Saga coming out, and it will be worth your wait.
So, free and legal options are Standoff and Wing Commander Saga. There is also a free and legal Wing Commander: Privateer remake available at vegastrike.sourceforge.net
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You forgot Unknown Enemy...its also legal.
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Oh, yes, my mistake. I guess I'm entitled to a few of those. :) Now that I think of it, there's a guy who made something called Flight Commander, that is something like WC Prophecy. That's also available at wcnews.com
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Yes forgot about that
Flight Commander -> A selfprogrammed engine that tries to recreate the Secret Ops engine. For a oneman program its nice. Flight Commander (http://flightcommander.solsector.net/)
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exuse me mister edward bradshaw . am not trying to classfy any
game publishing rights, but the wing commander kilrathi saga is on a very famous abandonwear ws witch is a very legal web site and free to download am not saying the link but hey we all know it (hu...) lol. its about 73mb to download on win 98. and to say the truth i dont care about any legal or illegal thing!!!
in fact am downloading it now do you think i should stop? anyway i dont have a credit card to buy it and i cant stop that downloading maneger from suking in those files lol so... ohh and will it run on windows xp?? becouse i downloaded the academy from the same ws and i couldnt run it on dos it keeps telling me to install it from the flopy
:=/
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I am allways a little scaptical when it comes to abandoneware.
For installing...if it the site I guess it is their should be a readme.
For any help from here...not sure about the forum-rules here but mostly its not allowed/wished to help in this case.
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It isn't abandonware...actually a lot of stuff on HOTU isn't legally free. Most developers don't care about their older games there, though.
And the HOTU KS there isn't really any good. WC1 and 2 are missing their music and WC3 all the cutscenes(which are what made it so great) IIRC.
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In that case its not worth the download anyway ^_^
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Originally posted by aceofbase
exuse me mister edward bradshaw . am not trying to classfy any
game publishing rights, but the wing commander kilrathi saga is on a very famous abandonwear ws witch is a very legal web site and free to download
:=/
Um well if its got copyrighted matieral availble to download and hasnt got permission then it is hardly "very legal" then is it, no matter if the developes care or not. EA doesnt sell Kilrathi Saga anymore but its still doesnt mean its legal to have it downloadable. Acually downloading Secret Ops is apparently not legal either which personally I think is ridiculous as it was free to begin with.
My problem with downloading Kilrathi Saga is not so much the legal aspect but simply that the pirates cut so much out of it. Not that Ive tried, but 73MB is VERY small. WC3 alone came on 4 CDs. If they cut out all the music and cutscenes youve lost at least 80% of the experience. Probably more in fact. The story was told mainly through the cutscenes, so loose them and you wont know whats going on.
Ed
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Originally posted by aceofbase
exuse me mister edward bradshaw . am not trying to classfy any
game publishing rights, but the wing commander kilrathi saga is on a very famous abandonwear ws witch is a very legal web site and free to download am not saying the link but hey we all know it (hu...) lol. its about 73mb to download on win 98. and to say the truth i dont care about any legal or illegal thing!!!
Your enthusiasm is appreciated, but please first read then post. :) You'll get a lot less flak headed your way. :D
Got this in an article of IGDA on www.wired.com on abandonware:
... "Copyrights are not considered abandoned just because they are no longer commercially exploited or widely available," wrote Ric Hirsch, senior vice president for intellectual-property enforcement at the Entertainment Software Association, to Wired News in a statement. "The copyrights in older games remain valid and enforceable regardless of whether they are found on store shelves or not, and copying or distributing those games is a copyright infringement."
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Originally posted by Edward Bradshaw
Um well if its got copyrighted matieral availble to download and hasnt got permission then it is hardly a "legal" site then is it. EA dont sell Kilrathi Saga anymore but its still doesnt mean its legal to have it downloadable. Apparently downloading Secreat Ops is not legal either which personally I think is ridiculous as it was free to begin with.
what can I say, it pays to stay in school :D
Originally posted by Edward Bradshaw
My problem with downloading Kilrathi Saga is simply that the pirates cut so much out of it. Not that Ive tried, but 73MB is VERY small. WC3 alone came on 4 CDs. If they cut out all the music and cutscenes youve lost at least 80% of the experience. Probably more in fact. The story was told mainly through the cutscenes, so loose them and you wont know what you are doing.
Ed
Actually, if you have old WC3 discs you can run the game with movies. Apparently, only run time libraries and music were replaced, movie package remained as in the original game.
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Why should I want to have the Kilrathi Saga when I have WC3?
I think only for WC1+2 its worth the try, but without sound and music...well I prefer DosBox with my original copy ^_^
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well am happy te pirates cut from the game, what i want is to fly the missions and fire missiles,what good would some muzic or a few cartoon epissods do to me.sir i have 56 kps modem do you want me to download 600 mb of muzic files !!! do you have any idea haw mutch time it will take me and the phone billes cost.
any way i just got some new up to date metalica cds lol i will put them on will am dogfighting.
and i didnt ask for any help installing the academy i was only telling you what happend in fact i will never ever download any dos games from now on the past is past. all i asked for is do you think the kilrathi saga would run on win xp and do you think did the pirates cut missions or others parts of the game playe??
edited: i never said kilrathi saga or any athers game is abandonware i just said the are on an abandonware ws.
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I would say if you just got a modem go over to ebay and buy the original...prices are mostly low...except for the DVD version of WC4 and Kilrathi Saga.
Oh and I recommend you to watch the videos and play the full game...special WC3 with its real actors is something to watch.
Also the cartoon graphics of WC1+2 are nice and add a lot to the atmosphere of the game.
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Originally posted by aceofbase
well am happy te pirates cut from the game, what i want is to fly the missions and fire missiles,what good would some muzic or a few cartoon epissods do to me.sir
:) Because sir, WC1 and 2 used cartoon cutscenes but they told the story. WC3 used LIVE ACTION cutscenes and CGI sequences thats why its so huge. And sure you can live without the music but whats the point in playing if you dont know where you are, what you are doing, why you are doing it, and what the point is?
If you want a truly unsatisfying game experience play Kilrathi SAGA WC3 with no cutscenes.
download any dos games from now on the past is past. all i asked for is do you think the kilrathi saga would run on win xp and do you think did the pirates cut missions or others parts of the game playe??
Again my problem with Kilrathi Saga is NOT that it is copyright infringement to download it. Its that to download it without ALL of the content is pointless. Though as Tolwyn said if you have the original discs it can still be usefull.
I dont know if it can run on XP. But I believe so.
Ed
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KS WC1 and 2 run on XP. KS WC3 runs on some XP machines, but not all. It has strange issues with locking up, and it hasn't been determined yet what causes that(and probably never will, my copy is affected too:( )
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well actuly i cant buy anything on the net because i dont have a credit card , plus i live in the middle east and i dont think ebay will ship anything to me here , well i think you can know what your doing in a game by looking at the mission abjectives plus i said that i played some of those games i guess 2 and 3 so i know the colonel blair story
so i dont know guyes, why do you think i should stop downloding and delete the files i have in the download maneger:-/. thats evil. let it be less than the origenal but at least i ll have back my old memories and by the way i just got the academy running with dosbox lol am not going to playe it but i remeberd back at the early 1990 i was playing it with my cousin we were just kids, i mean its dacades ago waw i feel old:-/
back at those dayes we saw this game as somthing shooking it was like landing appolo on the moon we were stunned with it now i look a it while playing tbp and just ......smile
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/englishnazi
witch = woman who casts spells
which = which one?!
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hehe
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Originally posted by aceofbase
back at those dayes we saw this game as somthing shooking it was like landing appolo on the moon we were stunned with it now i look a it while playing tbp and just ......smile
Hey play it if you want its just you are missing out on most of it, thats all I was trying to say.
Ed
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Originally posted by Edward Bradshaw
Hey play it if you want its just you are missing out on most of it, thats all I was trying to say.
Ed
Most of it? Actually everything :) Missions in WC3 were mostly “fly to nav 1 and eliminate all encounters”. “Proceed to nav 2”. “Same procedure there”.
That's the greatest difference between WCS and WC3. In WC3 missions were very simple and the story was mostly told between separate missions. In WCS the actual story unfolds in the event rich missions (which explains why Starman always complains about the SEXP limit :))
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hey comon , surly i will have some fun with it , do you belive i downloaded 250 mb of babylone i have found her just to playe 4 missons ? that was silly on a 56kps modem man i whaited a month lol for it to complete on a download maneger, then i finished the game in 5 min!!! i was shoked i thought it was a full game i mean they didnt say it was a demo, they said its a freeweare simulator game, i could have downloaded any other game demo and surly i would have more missions in it. am even downloading fs2 now and its about the same size of babylon i have found her, and guyes on fs2net are telling me there is tons of missions in it so from now on ill be carfull not to download any bayblon 5 demos projects, i mean it cost me planty of money you know to spend 25 hours downloading 4 missons .
ok but now you guyes made me woundering about games am planing to get from abandonware webs . i know its silly to ask since its out of topic for this forum but i beg you to tell me and conseder it just a part of the conversation well my questions is:
1_ am downloading fs2 now. well is it pitated too? or the game is ok"? i mean i need it to playe a lot of babylon 5 mods right? sutch tbp relase 1 and 2.
2_what about these games :
wingcommander privateer1 and 2 , wc secret ops,wc armada.
they are available to download too .well are they good or pirated??
or you dont know?
not1: i regret saying i preffer the wing commander kilrathy saga beeing cut to peaces. i think i was just desapointed to say that , surly i would have obtained to master copy if i had my hands on it even if it took me a year to download.but i still will have the copy available becose i dont have a credit card and i cant go shopping on line :-/ i wounder why they destroyed the game after they had there hands on it ,its realy not logical i mean they could have protected it, or even made a choice for the peapol who want to download the full copy! well it wont be the last of the non logical things peapol do every day rirgh?
not2: i went to ebay shipment for the game is only within the usa and i dont live in the usa/!!
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Originally posted by Tolwyn
(which explains why Starman always complains about the SEXP limit :))
You can say that again :lol:
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Originally posted by aceofbase
hey comon , surly i will have some fun with it , do you belive i downloaded 250 mb of babylone i have found her just to playe 4 missons ? that was silly on a 56kps modem man i whaited a month lol for it to complete on a download maneger, then i finished the game in 5 min!!!
The very first release of WCS will feature only five campaign missions. Currently we think about including a few additional dog fighting missions plus multiplayer missions
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Hey, about the whole legality/availability issue. Anything that is official Origin material available for "free download" is a pirated version. However, you can get the real WC products delivered world-wide. I just double-checked. Wing Commander 4 is available on e-bay right now (March 22) and has worldwide shipping available. It looks like wherever you are, you should be able to buy a complete, legal copy. I didn't search for WC 3. There may be other options (such as paypal) available for payment, or you could find a friend with a credit card and pay them back in cash. Anyway, if you have trouble running the games on updated Windows systems, there are tools to help you run them available at wcnews.com .
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well.. finaly my dull 56kps modem has accomplish the misson and downloaded the 70 mb of kilrathi saga after weeks of whaiting/
and guess what the sounds are working and the cut seens are there with voice and the wc 1&2 is full games exept for the music
but for wc 3 i cant find it at all no exe no setup files no install directory
nothing can any one help?
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Ace, its probably because even the guys the cracked it decided WC3 was too huge to fit into less than 100MB
Ed
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yes. i think you are right. but what a big mistack they did i mean wc3 was worth the download even if it was 500 mb.
as for wing c 1&2 eatch one of them decompressed in more than 400 mb folders so they have all the goodeys in them and pesonly i dont care about the legal copy stuff actuly i like craked games and free stuff
more than i like to pay money but dont tell anyone i told you this lol.
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Honestly, I'm happy you enjoy it, but I would be also happy if you could end the discussion about game-crackings or "obvious" download-areas inside our forum here. Thanks.
Starman©
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ok what ever you say boss case closed