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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Raiden on March 16, 2005, 09:42:20 am
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Hello there, everyone. I've just signed up to the Hard Light Production forums, and I wasn't sure where to introduce myself, so I thought I might as well do it while ask a question.
First of all, I just want to make it clear how much I love the fact that these forums exist. I played the original Descent: Freespace (called Conflict: Freespace over here :ick: ) when it first came out, as I absolutely loved space sims. I fell in love with the incredible gameplay and the amazing story. So when [Freespace 2 came out, I snapped that up, and my God, what a game. I've looked for ages in vain of a place to discuss this awesome series, and now I've finally found it.
The Shivans are surely the most mysterious race ever (even more so than the Ancients, at least we find out things about their society) and I just find everything about them so fascinating. I've lurked on these forums a while, and I read the whole Shivan Manifesto in one go, I was so gripped. I know it's a touchy subject with you guys, but I always hoped for a Freespace 3 (Threespace?), but when I read that quote, "Think of the Shivans as a symptom of a much larger problem", that sent me over the edge. It makes me die inside knowing we won't find out what the Shivans truly are, or what happened at Capella, but maybe it's a good thing. It makes them all the more mysterious.
Anyway, to the question I wanted to ask. One thing I never understood about Freespace 2 was that they never allowed you to replay the mission where Capella goes supernova. Do you guys know why that is, or if there is a way to replay it? The second time I played the game, knowing I wouldn't be able to replay the mission, I just pointed my ship at the star and watched as it overtook the Sathani and all the other ships. I'd love to be able to see that whenever I want, so is there a way?
Sorry about the ridiculous post length, just thought I'd be polite and introduce myself. :nod:
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:welcome:
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Originally posted by Raiden
Anyway, to the question I wanted to ask. One thing I never understood about Freespace 2 was that they never allowed you to replay the mission where Capella goes supernova. Do you guys know why that is, or if there is a way to replay it? The second time I played the game, knowing I wouldn't be able to replay the mission, I just pointed my ship at the star and watched as it overtook the Sathani and all the other ships. I'd love to be able to see that whenever I want, so is there a way?
What do you mean you couldn't replay the mission? When you've finished the campaign (either succeeding or failed) simply go back into the ready room and you can play the last mission again.
[V] are actually praised for doing it this way precisely because it lets you see both endings.
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Originally posted by karajorma
What do you mean you couldn't replay the mission? When you've finished the campaign (either succeeding or failed) simply go back into the ready room and you can play the last mission again.
[V] are actually praised for doing it this way precisely because it lets you see both endings.
Seriously? I haven't played the game in a while, but from what I can remember, whenever I went back to replay that mission, it'd always let me play the first part of the mission, but never the second part where the Shivans actually take out Capella. Maybe it's something wrong with my copy?
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Are you talking about cutscenes?
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It's been a while since I played the campaign to the end but it definately should let you replay the last mission.
What happens when you complete the penultimate mission? It should red-alert to the next one.
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Originally posted by karajorma
It's been a while since I played the campaign to the end but it definately should let you replay the last mission.
What happens when you complete the penultimate mission? It should red-alert to the next one.
It gets to the stage where you're dropped into that Red Alert briefing, but I never actually see that. It just basically goes back to the Mission Select screen, if I remember rightly.
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You could just play it through the Tech Room....?
Dunno. Anyhoo, welcome to HLP. :)
:welcome:
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It definately shouldn't do that. I've played both missions without having to complete FS2 again and I'm sure most people have done the same. You're playing the mission in the tech room or in the ready room?
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The embarassing part is that it's been so long since I played the original campaign that I actually don't remember :nervous:
:welcome:
Welcome Aboard Raiden :)
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Originally posted by karajorma
It definately shouldn't do that. I've played both missions without having to complete FS2 again and I'm sure most people have done the same. You're playing the mission in the tech room or in the ready room?
Bah, I don't know. It's been years since I've played, and I've only recently started playing through the first game again, so maybe I was just doing something stupid before. Cheers for the help.
And thanks for the welcomes, guys. Keep the topics about the Shivans coming, I can't get enough of that stuff!
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Originally posted by Raiden
Anyway, to the question I wanted to ask. One thing I never understood about Freespace 2 was that they never allowed you to replay the mission where Capella goes supernova. Do you guys know why that is, or if there is a way to replay it?
The way it works on my copy of the game, is that once you're done with the campaign, and took one specific ending, the game throws you to the main hall. After that, I'd just click on the "Ready Room" again, and it'd load the last "in-mission" briefing. I'd be given a chance to replay it with the second ending, and the second ending cutscene would save in the cutscenes menu in the techroom.
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:welcome: raiden.
emergency exits are to your left and right, non-working shotguns are under your seat, flamethrowers are in the hall closet. if you see a Shivan while crawling in the air ducts, it's just Carl, just give him your lunch/lunch money and he'll leave you alone (once he maimed me for no ****ing reason).
and a word of advice: never, EVER mention the words freespace and the number 3 together. trust me...
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Originally posted by Cobra
and a word of advice: never, EVER mention the words freespace and the number 3 together. trust me...
Too late. :p
On that subject though, I like to subscribe to the theory that the Shivan's destruction of Capella was somehow a method for them to get to wherever it is their home is, and they will never return. If you think about it that way, you can accept it as the end of the story, and just accept the fact that the humans will never understand the mysteries of the Shivans. The only thing left to do is rebuild.
Goddamn, I love this game.
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Originally posted by Raiden
Goddamn, I love this game.
heh, true dat.
i wonder if anyone will make a campaign where you discover the Shivan's homeworld?
i wonder if the binary system found in "The Lion's Den" is where they come from, and those different systems are shipyards, etc?
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Originally posted by Cobra
heh, true dat.
i wonder if anyone will make a campaign where you discover the Shivan's homeworld?
i wonder if the binary system found in "The Lion's Den" is where they come from, and those different systems are shipyards, etc?
That mission causes me so much heartache! More than anything, I want to get through that other portal that's miles away from the one you come in through! Is there any way to do that? Obviously, I'm guessing not.
This is one the things that sometimes makes me happy there will be no "Threespace". In some ways I really don't want the questions we all have answered, 'cause it would ruin the whole mythos.
But on the other hand...damn...Freespace3.
I guess I'd better shut up about this, 'cause it seems to piss you guys off. But you gotta understand, I have friends that love my two other gaming obsessions (Shenmue and Metal Gear Solid, in case you were wondering) but I'm the only one who likes Freespace, so I never have anyone else to talk to about it!
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The reason why we hate the term FS3 is Derek Smart. I'd better not say anything else here.
"The Lion's Den" was enormously fun. although it scared the **** out of me when right off the bat I see a Sathanas racing towards me and Snipes shouting "DIVE, DIVE, DIVE! HIT YOUR BURNERS PILOT!"
Once i experimented with going up instead of down, and trying to type in the cheats and then making myself collision-free... none of them worked...
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Originally posted by Cobra
The reason why we hate the term FS3 is Derek Smart. I'd better not say anything else here.
The reason why we hate FS3 goes back long before Derek Smart. It's basically because everyone gets sick and tired of new people appearing and saying "When is FS3 coming out!!!!1111"
After you've heard that about a thousand times it begins to get on your nerves.
Now that it's been so long since FS2 came out no one does that but the posts that come along lamenting the fact that there won't be a FS3 can be as bad if they get over done. However since they don't require a reply they don't get annoying anywhere near as quickly.
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Originally posted by karajorma
...but the posts that come along lamenting the fact that there won't be a FS3 can be as bad if they get over done
*takes the hint*
*shuts the hell up*
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i THINK it's ok, all new guys post that.
right? :nervous:
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Originally posted by Raiden
*takes the hint*
*shuts the hell up*
Actually you were getting away with it without annoying me at least :) That said we all know that FS3 is a very remote possibility and we have so much good stuff going on in the community that we don't really have that much to be sad about.
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Originally posted by Raiden
Too late. :p
On that subject though, I like to subscribe to the theory that the Shivan's destruction of Capella was somehow a method for them to get to wherever it is their home is, and they will never return. If you think about it that way, you can accept it as the end of the story, and just accept the fact that the humans will never understand the mysteries of the Shivans. The only thing left to do is rebuild.
Goddamn, I love this game.
Oh but you see, that is where you are wrong. (http://www.3dactionplanet.com/hlp/hosted/ce/bwo/)
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why don't you update that site or something... geez.
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Originally posted by Cobra
i wonder if anyone will make a campaign where you discover the Shivan's homeworld?
i wonder if the binary system found in "The Lion's Den" is where they come from, and those different systems are shipyards, etc?
I sincerely hope that nobody does something like that. It'd ruin the whole experience. The veil of mystery is what makes the Shivans such a great enemy. If you came out with an explanation as to what they're all about it'd destroy their image - they wouldn't be scary any more. :)
As for the binary system being the "home" system, almost certainly not. A marshalling area, maybe, or a kind of hub linking the GTVA/Ancient systems from wherever it is they come from, but certainly not their home system. After all, there was a third Knossos portal in that system, and the Ancients certainly wouldn't have been able to build one in Shivan space (by all accounts, the Ancients were wiped out rather quickly, so they wouldn't have had time to build portals or take any territory from the Shivans before they were overrun).
The start of that mission is one of the best moments in the game, though. Scared the living hell out of me.
Raiden, have you played any user-made campaigns yet? If not, I'd highly recommend Derelict and Homesick. Also check out the Hosted projects forums - some very exciting stuff going on there, what with the SCP and everything. :nod:
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Originally posted by pyro-manic
I sincerely hope that nobody does something like that. It'd ruin the whole experience. The veil of mystery is what makes the Shivans such a great enemy. If you came out with an explanation as to what they're all about it'd destroy their image - they wouldn't be scary any more. :)
I 100% agree with this. Although I desperately want my questions answered, I also don't want them answered for this very reason.
Although after reading the Shivan Manifesto, I kind of feel that my questions have been answered, which is kind of a weird feeling, in some respects I wish I hadn't read it. Of course, the guy could be completely wrong, but he had a lot of good arguments.
Originally posted by pyro-manic
Raiden, have you played any user-made campaigns yet? If not, I'd highly recommend Derelict and Homesick. Also check out the Hosted projects forums - some very exciting stuff going on there, what with the SCP and everything. :nod:
No, I can't say that I have. Currently I'm playing through both games again, and then I'll start getting into the modding community. Thanks very much for the recommendations, I'll be sure to check those out.
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Originally posted by Cobra
i THINK it's ok, all new guys post that.
right? :nervous:
A lot do. And it's not ok and always annoying. Just like a certain someone :p
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
A lot do. And it's not ok and always annoying. Just like a certain someone :p
Whoops. Sorry, guys.
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Not you.
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Originally posted by BlackDove
Not you.
Haha, I know. I meant the, "And it's not OK and it's always annoying" comment.
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A lot of people are bummed about no FS3 and such. I'm actually glad because it gives the community an unlimited amount of time to develop and improve, without thinking things like "Oh I'll wait for FS3 to come out and then I'll start modding".
And as Karajorma mentioned earlier, with Inferno, BWO, and the SCP, I think we are making the new era of Freespace even better than Volition could. The best part is, it is totally community driven and the fans not only have a say in the new improvements, but they are actually making them!
I sincerely hope that nobody does something like that. It'd ruin the whole experience. The veil of mystery is what makes the Shivans such a great enemy. If you came out with an explanation as to what they're all about it'd destroy their image - they wouldn't be scary any more.
Really? What if a few questions are answered.... And many more questions spawn off of that, actually DEEPENING the mystery of the Shivans?
:welcome: Raiden! :D
If you are looking for Shivans threads, I'd suggest the General Freespace section. There is one called "The Shivans; why do they do what they do?" and many others that cover the community's thoughts on Shivan Motives/Actions etc.
Enjoy your stay! ;)
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Originally posted by Raiden
No, I can't say that I have. Currently I'm playing through both games again, and then I'll start getting into the modding community. Thanks very much for the recommendations, I'll be sure to check those out.
If your comp can handle it, play Blaise Russel's rewritten/redone Derelict. :D
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I'm gonna get killed for this, but Inferno R2 will be my FS3.
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GET 'IM!!! :p
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Well, every user-made campaign will always be a different point of views. If someone made a campaign where you actually get to shivan homespace, while the shivans drink beer all the way, I´d certainly not believe that he got it right. Nothing can be considered an FS3 except FS3 made by [V], which is highly undoubtedly. ;7
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WELCOME TO HLP!!!
Unknown target- is that someone me?
I loved Inferno R1, and tho i dont agree with all its turnpoints, its a very good campaign.
B. Russel's rewritten derliect? Where can i find it.. Iv seen the origional in the Campaign list, but the new one?
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SEARCH (http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/forums/search.php), my young padawan. ;)
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http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,29593.0.html