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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Deepblue on March 17, 2005, 11:03:59 pm
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Decided to venture into this interesting little hobby and got myself a starter spring gun.
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i said this once and il say it again:
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You and your miniguns...
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Have you tried it out yet? My one question in regards to airsoft is: how much do the little bastards hurt when they hit you?
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They hurt about as much as paintball.
And anyway Deepblue, I play a lot, so welcome to airsoft :D
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Seriously as much as paintball?!!! Ouch! This thing is rated at 260 fps by the guys at shortyusa, I wouldn't want to be on the recieving end... *considers buying airsoft proof vest *
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I was like haha, until I realized that minigun was a real paintball gun. :eek2:
I'd expect at that rate of fire, ammo would be scarce though. And it would be more like spray the area.
Btw, nice rifle Deepblue. Whats its range?
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I've heard something like 100 feet for good aucuracy. It should arrive on the 24th.
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What does airsoft shoot?
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6mm plastic BBs. Only the more powerful gas and electric automatics leave long-lasting welts. Springers are usually only mosquito-bite sized welts that sting for a second or two.
But you HAVE to wear rated safety glasses when using these, preferably a full-face mask. If you get shot in the eye, you can lose it, and you can loose a tooth if you get shot close enough (although I've been shot in the mouth plenty of times, it's never happened to me).
I don't mean to scare you though, it's a really fun game, and you get used to the pain of the BBs after awhile (pretty much every guy in the group I play with uses T-shirts and long pants). You just need to make sure to follow the safety practices :)
EDIT: And I'd range the gun for a dependable accuracy to be 50-70 feet, if you don't upgrade it. Usually they use theoretical specs on websites, not actually the data from the gun itself :)
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While I enjoy Airsoft for its greats weapons and good feel "Personally own an airsoft tactical shotgun". For the real outdoors, feeling afraid and being in combat, I'd go for paintball. Airsoft is no comparison to the hurt you get in paintball. True, airsoft does sting, but a loose shirt or even jump-vest and you really dont feel a thing, that can cause problems during games. Paintball on the other hand. If by some miracle you dont feel it, atleast you can still see it.
Airsoft is most fun however in an urban setting and in the summer. So t-shirts and shorts. It hurts, makes you duck more, and people get nervous. Although the cops have come to our neigbourhood a couple of times when 5 25 year old guys are running around toting shotguns and uzis. Makes the old ladies a bit nervous. :D
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Actually, airsoft BBs can hurt like hell. I didn't tell him 'cause I don't want to scare new players, but I've heard stories of people having to pop BBs out of their skin like pimples :p
But yea, the feeling thing is a prob, but if anyone's interested, I might have a solution (if we patent it, it'd probably get lotsa money ;)). PM if you are :D
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Airsoft is a lot cheaper than paintball too. BTW, where could I buy an airsoft gun in the U.S. All I can get here in are cheap, transparent plastic pistol, shotgun and SMG from Canadian Tire. They work fine (200-230 fps) but no real variety.
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If they're cheap and made by CYMA, do not get them. They are Chinese pieces of crap.
And you can get it shipped from a variety of sites. www.protectiondepot.com, www.airsoftatlanta.com, www.den-trinity.com (I think that's the site), which ships from Hong Kong.
Basically, if you want to get an automatic, get a Tokyo Marui. They are simply the best airsoft guns out there.
www.airsoftretreat.com is a great community place for airsoft :)
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The 100 feet thing was based on a forum review. It got all positive reviews from what I saw...
This gun was particulary attractive because it did get good reviews, apparently is good quality, AND it is cheap. Got it for 49.99 at shortyusa.com.
I still plan on wearing some thicker clothes...
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Oh, and does anyone know how much a good scope and flashlight cost? The ones this gun ship with aren't the best and I would like to upgrade.
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Originally posted by MicroPsycho
Airsoft is a lot cheaper than paintball too. BTW, where could I buy an airsoft gun in the U.S. All I can get here in are cheap, transparent plastic pistol, shotgun and SMG from Canadian Tire. They work fine (200-230 fps) but no real variety.
You can buy airsoft at Canadian Tire? Whoa, I have one across the street from me. I should go check it out.
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:lol:
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Anywhoo, this is the little list of things the seller had to say about the gun:
- This gun is insane!
- Surprisingly high quality all around with great detail.
- The most affordable high performance M4 available today.
- Built on the M4 RIS frame the Model 4 features an upgraded reinforced body and barrel.
- High compression piston and upgraded barrel produce .6 Joule of power!!
- New generation 3 point collapsible stock.
- Integrated RIS system with 5 mounting rails, V2 reinforced removable vertical foregrip.
- Red dot sight and tri-power LED flashlight.
- Operation: Spring.
- Muzzle velocity: 260 fps w/ .2g (.6J).
- Effective range: 90-100 feet.
- Ammo type: .2g.
- Hop Up: Fixed.
- Weight: 5 lbs.
- Magazine capacity: 18 rds with 400 rd reservoir.
- Length: 28", 30", 31.5".
- Comes with orange tip
- The styrofoam the Model 4 is packed in fits around the gun very tightly to protect it during shipping. When you lift the gun out of the foam be sure to lift the gun out evenly and slowly. Do not grab one end and yank the gun out or you could damage the barrel. If you do this it is considered negligence and the damage will not be covered under warranty.
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And this is a little blurb from "The Old Man" on the Airsoft Retreat forums:
Got a chance to play around with the new version of the Neon Fire M4 today. Impressed? You bet. It's nearly as heavy if not heavier than the HFC XM 177 I compared it to. It shot better than the HFC! Cost: $47.00.
Shoots .20's around 90 feet. Much stonger and more accurate than their older version (which is'nt that old and is not a bad rifle itself). This gun is at least twice as heavy. A little shorter and has the new style collapsable stock.
Easily assembled (snap the stock on and slap in the mag and your set to go), you are given a in-expensive flashlight and scope with lighted crosshairs (doesnt appear to be adjustable). What the hell, it's for looks anyway (and this rifle is good looking). There is enough rail system available to hang anything on this gun you can find.
The cocking rod is plastic, but feels more firm than their previous model (which I've owned since June and two young kids have not managed to break it!).
Now we have all read that this guns was going to shoot nearly 1 joule or 300 fps etc. etc.-Sorry but no. I didnt have a chronograph available so I'll "guestimate" the speed as a good 260-280 FPS. Not bad.
Accuracy appeared to be acceptable. It was very windy today, but I managed to hit pretty much everything I aimed at, out to the 90 foot range that I had available to me.
So, the question is, did I buy it? Nope-because when I got it back into the Flea Market, someone who had been watching me shoot it bought it before I could and then the 3 others that my supplier had with him went out the door while I was waiting on other customers and talking air soft with some parents who were considering Christmas purchases. Damn!!!
Next question, am I going to buy it. Are you kidding me? A $47.00 springer that has than kind of performance and looks this good? You bet your ___! I mean yup!
If your looking for a decent rifle in this price range, check it out. These guys have really stepped up their quality control and I think this is their way of making a statement that the competition best be looking over their shoulder!
(PS next week I'll be comparing it to a new DPMS!)
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I think I will be happy with it as a starter.
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Oh, yea, that reminds me: like the man said, get .2 bbs, not .12s. If you get .12s the BB will go straight up because the gun's hop-up and power is too much. Makes ure to buy it based on weights, not colors, as well, because colors don't matter ;)
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Already got .2 gauge bbs with my order, that and airsoft gun lube.
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Few more pictures:
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cool. dont shoot your eye out.
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so wait, can spring guns shoot full auto, or just semi?
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The SMG available at Canadian Tire is automatic, but it requires 4 AA batteries and only shoots about 175 fps, but it can hose down an area good. So where in the States can you walk in with cash and walk out with an airsoft gun? I don't feel like ordering one.
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Is this what you get in the canadian equivelant of that bank Michael Moore went to?
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No, Canadian Tire is a hardware/appliance/sport/car store franchise.
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I used to own a BB pistol, worked by compressed CO2, and fired metal balls, not plastic. I can safelly say you don´t want to be on the receiving end of one of those. There are a lot of holes in the wooden wall of my old room that can testify to it.
And i still own my 25 year old DIANA 25 pellet gun. Weighs over 10kg of pure coil spring muscle. I ate lots of birds i caught myself with it, in the woods next to my house. Blackbirds, sparrows, the ocasional pidgeon. Really tasty! ...Nham nham...
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Alright, exactly how much did you actually hit?
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I'll update with a little review and possibly pictures when I get the rifle (on Thursday).
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Originally posted by vyper
Alright, exactly how much did you actually hit?
Like thousands! I don´t know about other countries, but airgun hunting is very common around here. Everybody has one or more, and the old woods around my house were always littered with hunters. I used both the airgun(with sniper telescopic sight ) and spring traps. I would lay my traps all over, then i would start making my rounds checking each one for kills. And between traps i would use the rifle. I had days where i brought over 20 birds home, after a couple hours of hunt. They are just excellent with garlick and some red wine. The only problem was i had to clean them before taking them home. And the more you catch, the more you have to clean, so i spent lots of hours just picking the feathers out.
All this has changed nowadays. The woods where i used to hunt when i was a boy are now gone, there are roads and factories where it stood. And you now need to have a license to hunt...
Kids these days have it easy, they get to play with paintball and Airsoft rifles like that. When i was a kid, all we had was a plank of wood with a rubber band in one end, and a peg in the other, to make slings that fired small pebbles. Now look at them! M-16s, Uzis, M-4s, with laser and telescopic sights! You kids of today are so spoiled!!
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*BUMP*
Got it today, one fine looking rifle. I went out a shot like 200 BBs to get started and was nailing tin cans at about 60-75 feet. Then I realized I forgot to lube the gun up before I started shooting so I went and did that but by the time I got done it was dark out. I'm gonna try shooting again tommorow and see if the lube helped to increase the range and aucuracy. I'm also planning on getting an M-16 4x20 (REAL M-16 scope) scope to mount on top.
:D
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Originally posted by Swamp_Thing
Like thousands! I don´t know about other countries, but airgun hunting is very common around here. Everybody has one or more, and the old woods around my house were always littered with hunters. I used both the airgun(with sniper telescopic sight ) and spring traps. I would lay my traps all over, then i would start making my rounds checking each one for kills. And between traps i would use the rifle. I had days where i brought over 20 birds home, after a couple hours of hunt. They are just excellent with garlick and some red wine. The only problem was i had to clean them before taking them home. And the more you catch, the more you have to clean, so i spent lots of hours just picking the feathers out.
All this has changed nowadays. The woods where i used to hunt when i was a boy are now gone, there are roads and factories where it stood. And you now need to have a license to hunt...
Kids these days have it easy, they get to play with paintball and Airsoft rifles like that. When i was a kid, all we had was a plank of wood with a rubber band in one end, and a peg in the other, to make slings that fired small pebbles. Now look at them! M-16s, Uzis, M-4s, with laser and telescopic sights! You kids of today are so spoiled!!
:p
"Consider yourself lucky marine, when I joined the core all we had were sticks and a rock for a whole platoon. And we had to share the rock!"
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Its mostly plastic, right?
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Plastic outside with a reinforced metal core. It didn't cost $250 either.
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I know, thats why I was wondering.
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If I get another rifle it will be a full metal AEG from Classic Army. For know, I start with this.