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Modding, Mission Design, and Coding => FS2 Open Coding - The Source Code Project (SCP) => Topic started by: Scuddie on March 21, 2005, 12:47:58 am

Title: I hope I dont seem too out of line, but...
Post by: Scuddie on March 21, 2005, 12:47:58 am

I think that once the major crashing issues/bugs are resolved with FS2Open, I think another code freeze would be a good idea.  Why, you may ask?  Because for some reason, your wonderful accomplishments make me yearn for content creation, yet it is as if God himself is holding the key to my plans over my head and teasing me with it using the stick of a broken FRED2Open.  

It may seem out of line for me to say this, but WHY THE HELL??!!  Why hasnt FRED2Open been nearly as big a priority as FS2Open?  Wonderful new SEXPs are created, terriffic new methods of mods are implemented, but it feels like I have to use frikkin NOTEPAD in order to do anything with it!  What good are all these wonderful things if you cant even tell the game to use them?

I acknowledge that the FRED2 tree is a "jumbled nightmare to be avoided at all costs" (or something like that), and I also acknowledge that some are working on it (thanks again Phreak for the recent build :)).  However, I cannot accept that the most unstable portion of SCP is being given the least bit of attention.  

I dont know about you guys, but I REALLY dislike having to use retail FRED2 10% of the time, and use notepad 90% of the time.  It's just not practical.  It would be much nicer to have FRED2Open with consistent mission saving, inteligent error handling, and an engine that wont freeze up the nv4_disp driver!  I dont like seeing BSODs in WinXP.  They are a bad omen.

Forgive me for being so uptight.  Maybe that badger that crawled up my ass is getting to me.
[rant off]

Title: I hope I dont seem too out of line, but...
Post by: Goober5000 on March 21, 2005, 01:29:03 am

We are currently planning a major renovation of FRED.

In the meantime, look here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,31451.0.html).

Title: I hope I dont seem too out of line, but...
Post by: Scuddie on March 21, 2005, 04:00:25 pm

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Originally posted by Goober5000
In the meantime, look here (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,31451.0.html).

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Originally posted by Scuddie
(thanks again Phreak for the recent build :))

:thepimp:

Title: I hope I dont seem too out of line, but...
Post by: aldo_14 on March 21, 2005, 04:25:36 pm

To be fair, it's only logical that the focus on development is on the playing experience rather than the content-creation tools.

Title: I hope I dont seem too out of line, but...
Post by: Scuddie on March 21, 2005, 05:22:34 pm

True.  But it is also logical that if there is little focus on the content-creation tools, the playing experience can only go so far.

See, I can talk wisdom, too :D.

Title: I hope I dont seem too out of line, but...
Post by: Bobboau on March 21, 2005, 07:12:15 pm

part of the reason why fred has fallen apart so much is it has been seperated from FSO early on, and few were able tobuild it.

Title: I hope I dont seem too out of line, but...
Post by: Ransom on March 21, 2005, 07:59:05 pm

I must be crazy or something. I don't really have any problems with FRED2 Open. It's crashed once or twice but that's about it. What was so different about retail FRED?

Title: I hope I dont seem too out of line, but...
Post by: Black Wolf on March 22, 2005, 04:43:52 am

"You're out of line, Pilot!"  



;)

Title: I hope I dont seem too out of line, but...
Post by: karajorma on March 22, 2005, 07:48:21 am

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Originally posted by Ransom Arceihn
I must be crazy or something. I don't really have any problems with FRED2 Open. It's crashed once or twice but that's about it. What was so different about retail FRED?

Try moving anything on the y-Axis, placing a waypoint or doing a mission briefing in anything after 3.5.5.

That said 3.5.5 itself is superior to retail in every way.

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Post by: Slasher on March 22, 2005, 03:33:46 pm

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Originally posted by karajorma


Try moving anything on the y-Axis, placing a waypoint or doing a mission briefing in anything after 3.5.5.

That said 3.5.5 itself is superior to retail in every way.

And if you still don't see anything wrong with FRED2Open after doing that then you have an unusually high medichlorine count I guess. ;)

Title: I hope I dont seem too out of line, but...
Post by: Ransom on March 22, 2005, 08:20:07 pm

Whuh? Well, the waypoints and y-axis thingies were fixed in phreak's build, weren't they?

Though I understand about the briefing icons not showing up, but they're still not that hard to do without the icons. When you do a box select in the briefing editor, it only selects briefing icons, so you can lock the selection and drag it around...

Title: I hope I dont seem too out of line, but...
Post by: karajorma on March 23, 2005, 03:38:01 am

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Originally posted by Ransom Arceihn
Whuh? Well, the waypoints and y-axis thingies were fixed in phreak's build, weren't they?

That was the point. He's fixed one of the major annoying bugs in FRED  :)

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Originally posted by Ransom Arceihn
Though I understand about the briefing icons not showing up, but they're still not that hard to do without the icons. When you do a box select in the briefing editor, it only selects briefing icons, so you can lock the selection and drag it around...

True but it is rather annoying to use especially when you used to be able to see what your were doing in previous builds.

Personally I've always used the latest version of FRED myself. The bugs were annoying but they never reached the point where they made FRED unusable.