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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Zarax on March 23, 2005, 10:18:39 am

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Zarax on March 23, 2005, 10:18:39 am

The actual ultraliberist and xenophobe italian government has just passed 43 amenments that effectively removes the check and balances from the constitution.

All attempts from the opposition to stop this crime were vain, the last hope is the referendum but it will be facing 90% of media under control of prime minister berlusconi.

It seems that some people never learns, we're going to get something very close to what happened 80 years ago, democracy falls for the second time in Italy.

Amen

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Rictor on March 23, 2005, 10:26:29 am

whats an ultraliberist? I'm assuming you don't mean ultraliberal.

Its a shame, though. When does Berlusconi's term end?

edit: oh and, would you happen to have a link to a news story or something of the kind?

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Nuclear1 on March 23, 2005, 10:25:49 am

Great :doubt:

Just what we need.

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Bobboau on March 23, 2005, 10:33:52 am

this is why haveing a privetly owned media devoid of government interdependencies is a good thing

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: aldo_14 on March 23, 2005, 10:35:59 am

Nah, all you need in that regard is a media which is publicly owned by the country rather than ruling party, and which is legally bound to be neutral.  Like the beeb, for example.

The (potential) issue with privately owned media, of course, it the bias of the media owner.

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Rictor on March 23, 2005, 10:47:15 am

Hehe, I assume you're not reffering to this, but it's still funny...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050322/ap_on_re_eu/italy_mussolini_s_granddaughter

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The flamboyant Mussolini had been on a hunger strike — with an allowance for three cappuccinos a day — to protest the exclusion of her party from the race in Lazio, the region that includes Rome.

:lol: :lol:

(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050322/lthumb.rom12103221952.italy_mussolini_s_granddaughter_rom121.jpg)  (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/mussolini.jpg)

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Zarax on March 23, 2005, 11:42:04 am

No Rictor, the thing is quite different...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7274514/

Bobboau, the problem comes when you sum up public and private media control in oner person.
Kinda like if Murdoch became president of the US, only worse.

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Zarax on March 23, 2005, 11:44:10 am

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Originally posted by Rictor
whats an ultraliberist? I'm assuming you don't mean ultraliberal.

Its a shame, though. When does Berlusconi's term end?

edit: oh and, would you happen to have a link to a news story or something of the kind?

Sorry, bad translation on my own end.

An ultraliberist is something like Margaret Thatcher... Extreme laissez-faire economy, only that in fact here we got more taxes...

Berlusconi term "should" end in 2006, until then we've got 6 channels out of 7 controlled by the same person.

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Gank on March 23, 2005, 02:16:17 pm

No sympathy for yis, why? its propaganda due (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due)

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Rictor on March 23, 2005, 02:39:45 pm

what the ****?

:wtf: :wtf:

elaborate

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Zarax on March 23, 2005, 02:44:49 pm

Ah, P2...
The greatest massonic lobby ever made in italy.
It was a big shadow organization in the seventies and eighties who almost rivalled with the government power and had strong ties with mafia.
Berlusconi was a P2 member but escaped the consequences thanks to his political ties.

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Unknown Target on March 23, 2005, 04:41:34 pm

So....what happened?

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Gank on March 23, 2005, 05:52:46 pm

The italians elected him prime minister. I bet hes rolling round the floor laughing at them.

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Grey Wolf on March 23, 2005, 06:17:34 pm

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Originally posted by Zarax


Sorry, bad translation on my own end.

An ultraliberist is something like Margaret Thatcher... Extreme laissez-faire economy, only that in fact here we got more taxes...

Berlusconi term "should" end in 2006, until then we've got 6 channels out of 7 controlled by the same person.

Sounds almost like Libertarianism, but only following the economic precepts in theory, and by the fact they just approved a de facto dictatorship, holding the political concepts at about the same distance the Soviet Union did to the concept of an ideal communist society.

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: WMCoolmon on March 23, 2005, 07:04:45 pm

I hope this means we'll still be able to eat Italian food.

Hmm.

In 1776, the thirteen colonies rebelled against King George beccause he had been growing more and more distant from their concerns.

In 2004, we re-elect one President George Bush, who promises more restrictions on citizens and less accountability for the government.

Hmm.

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Grey Wolf on March 23, 2005, 07:05:15 pm

Once again, reasons for a moon base. Of course, you can construe almost anything as a reason for a moon base.

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Unknown Target on March 23, 2005, 07:20:21 pm

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Originally posted by WMCoolmon
I hope this means we'll still be able to eat Italian food.

Hmm.

In 1776, the thirteen colonies rebelled against King George beccause he had been growing more and more distant from their concerns.

In 2004, we re-elect one President George Bush, who promises more restrictions on citizens and less accountability for the government.

Hmm.

Yea, but people actually cared back then.

Title: De facto dictatorship being approved in Italy
Post by: Zarax on March 24, 2005, 01:05:19 am

Today we have the media to distract us from our problems...
Just have the people debating to some so-called "moral issues" on which they have no control and they won't think about the country problems...
It always work.