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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: AlphaOne on March 24, 2005, 04:32:30 pm
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Well I just thought something up. What about a new ship class something small maibe 3 to amax of 5 times bigger than the largest bommber in the GTVA.
Now this ship will not just another bommber but rather act like a mini-cap ship.
Here is what I thought: why not make this ship and instead of it beeing yet another clasical cap lets make thing interesting and put lets say 2 or 3 small beam cannons similar to the AAAf beam on it. also put some 3 or 4 torpedo/bomb banks, and lets say 3 or 4 missile banks coupled with lets say 4 manned turrets similar to those used in wwII in the bommbers. Now these manned turrets are mainly used for AAAf protection.
The beams would be fixen in a foreward firing arc or you could give them a lets say 45 degree firing arc all around depending!
What do you guis think?
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Aeolus pretty much matches with your description, IMO, but how are they different from cruisers? Considering that these, gunboats, are propably more easily destroyed by larger ships, is it really cost-effective to build them? Besides, a wing of fighter-bombers could propably do the same thing.
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It's a cruiser.
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Along the lines of a bigger than average bomber, given that Freespace is vaguely WWII in space, I did wonder why there were no medium bombers such as the B-25. Imagine a Freespace version of the solid nose B-25J -- 12 Maxims! Not to mention another 6 defensive guns.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/NelsonAndBronte/b25j-2.jpg)
This idea sounds something like a space B-29 or such.
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Whatever floats your boat man, go ahead.
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Kinda like this,:lol: I know it's funny looking, it's a mini- Aeolus thingy I made by shrinking the Aeolus model and taking and adding a few things, I made it a long while back. It was the first thing I moded
But, otherwise I think everyone calls them gunships, some here has made some very nice ones.
(http://www.fattonys.com/images/upload/mini.JPG)
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I thought that corvettes were developed to be a small cruiser and/or very very big fighter?
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Corvettes are much larger than cruisers. :lol:
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Er, warship. Small warship, larger than a fighter, but a lot lighter than a cruiser.
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err. in real naval terms, or in FS terms? Because a corvette in FS2 is just a cruiser sized vessel with capship armament.
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Originally posted by Luigi30
Er, warship. Small warship, larger than a fighter, but a lot lighter than a cruiser.
You had better not be refering to corvettes again. ;)
Corvettes are much heavier than a cruiser, and larger, and slaughter fighters.
By the way, a Seraphim bomber is the size of a Lilith-class cruiser. A little large?
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I've confused myself again :(
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Corvettes in FS2 are much bigger than cruisers.
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Originally posted by Blitzerland
By the way, a Seraphim bomber is the size of a Lilith-class cruiser. A little large?
It doesn't occupy anything like the volume, though.
The problem with making mini-caps is that, as intimidating as they are to fighters, they get beamed out of existence real quick in my experience.
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Well I know I havent posted in a long time in this post but..something must be wrong with the HLP servers..! I havent been able to login till now...! It alwais kept me in the loggin window dont know why..but anywai!
These ships that I described are too weak to take on a cruiser or a corvette on theyr own but if you use them in packs I believe they can cause quite some damage!
Lets say a wing of 4 ships takes on a corvette and I believe that they can win and if they cant send in another wing.
Remember these ships are quite powerfull but too week to take a cap ship one on one. Soo if u have an enemy fleet to take out send in a destroyer to provide aditional fighter escort as well as 8 or 10 of these wings and there you have it the enemy fleet goes bye bye..! :D
What do you guis think!
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:rolleyes:
Sounds just like an Ursa-class bomber.........except less fun to fly.
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Originally posted by Blitzerland
By the way, a Seraphim bomber is the size of a Lilith-class cruiser. A little large?
No it's not...
Oh, and TI has the Harpy class gunship, which is pretty much exactly what you're descriing in the first post. I'd show you a piccy, but we're in the process of high polying it, and the old one's looking a bit dated ATM.
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And in correct military terms the Ships go in the order of Carrier, Battleship, Heavy Cruiser, Cruiser, Destroyer, Escort and Frigate, with Gunboat falling into the 'Minor Surface Combatants' role..
Oddly enough 'Corvette' is no longer a used military term, posibly because they come somewhere below Gunbots, and possibly the Regimental Donkey.
http://bugattimarine.com/Military/Corvette.htm
However, the Corvette of the future will have terrible Photoshopping....
http://www.hazegray.org/faq/smn2.htm#B3
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Patrol Cruiser or PT Boat.
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Originally posted by AlphaOne
Well I just thought something up. What about a new ship class something small maibe 3 to amax of 5 times bigger than the largest bommber in the GTVA.
If it were 5 times the size of the GTVA's biggest bomber it would be pretty damn big, cuz the Ursa is damn near as big as a fenris
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Seraphim is a frigate :p
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haha yeah pretty much
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Originally posted by Flipside
And in correct military terms the Ships go in the order of Carrier, Battleship, Heavy Cruiser, Cruiser, Destroyer, Escort and Frigate, with Gunboat falling into the 'Minor Surface Combatants' role..
I thought Frigate=Escort?
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Originally posted by Night Hammer
If it were 5 times the size of the GTVA's biggest bomber it would be pretty damn big, cuz the Ursa is damn near as big as a fenris
Why does everyone have these misconceptions? It's not like it's hard to check...
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I believe that classification is not that important. Even USNavy has destroyers, cruisers and frigates all with nearly same hull lenght and displacement. Only difference seems to be the original 'designers intent' on the vessels mission.
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Originally posted by Flipside
And in correct military terms the Ships go in the order of Carrier, Battleship, Heavy Cruiser, Cruiser, Destroyer, Escort and Frigate, with Gunboat falling into the 'Minor Surface Combatants' role..
Oddly enough 'Corvette' is no longer a used military term, posibly because they come somewhere below Gunbots, and possibly the Regimental Donkey.
http://bugattimarine.com/Military/Corvette.htm
Corvette. FFL. The Nanktucha(spelling?) I-III classes come to mind. The Russians call them "rocket cutters", but the USN thinks of them as corvettes.
The French have a super-light surveillance frigate that's sometimes considered a corvette too.
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Renegade Resurgance had a Terran gunboat. I think that was what you were aiming for.....
Although to be honest I didn't really like the model for that ship. It looked like someone took a hacksaw to a Hippocrates.
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Originally posted by Black Wolf
Why does everyone have these misconceptions? It's not like it's hard to check...
well it sure as hell looks bigger when youre in one and zoom out in game
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Well, the Bombers are damned big vessels admittedly, but then, as someones who ran a sprint across the wings of 2 Hercs side by side, during the Farnborough airshow (Q Shed were bored, nothing had caught fire yet) I can say nothing but Yes, bombers are effing enormous ;)
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hercs? you mean real planes, like C-130's?
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Yep, though you have to be a bit careful, not all the skin on an aircraft can take the weight of a human, especiually near the wingtips, which makes you wonder how they cope with Flak ;)
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Soo..maibe 5 times bigger is too much but it hasto be much much bigger then a bommber yet somewhat smaller than a cruiser..!
It has to have a max top speed (max speed + afterburnes =50 m/s)
These things are crucial in my campaign story and I wantto get them right...! There are suposed to be operated by the elite and there should about 200 of them..! Of course many get lost in multiple heavy engagements but they doa lot more damage then they receive!
Also they have an advanced sensor shield and cloaking thecnology!
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Well, a B52 is around 54m long. A Large Destroyer is around 150-180 Metres long. So I'd say about twice to 2.5 the size of a Bomber would be about right.