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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: Luigi30 on March 27, 2005, 09:49:14 pm
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What!? Freespace 2 doesn't have an article!? We should write one! (//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freespace_2)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freespace
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I'm... not seeing a 2.
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It covers both quite well.
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Exceptionally well.
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Mods, close or delete please.
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No... this kind of discussion is good to have. People might want to discuss information to add, or how to rewrite the article to make it even better.
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If anything, create a link in Freespace 2 that goes to the Freespace page. That way people looking for 2 will find both. :)
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Done. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Freespace_2&redirect=no
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Okay, can someone help me fill this whole thing in? I made it earlier.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ships_in_the_Freespace_Universe
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You do know that the GTVA Colossus is neither Terran nor Vasudan, but both, right? :rolleyes:
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But the commander was Terran!
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And the person who orderred it's construction was Vasudan (KhonsuII) What's your point?
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Irrelevent. Just because the captain of a ship is a certain race does not mean the vessel belongs to that race. To use a WWII example: An American captain on a Japenese carrier does not an American carrier make.
The Colossus was stated to be a joint Terran-Vasudan project, it's designation is GTVA, and it was the flagship of both Terran and Vasudan fleets. It 's both.
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Then how would one classify it on that page?
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Make a new heading, after Terran and Vasudan:
Allied Ships
GTVA Colossus
Oh, and the Sathanas is a Juggernaut, not a Super Destroyer. (So is the Colossus for that matter...)
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Does it matter?
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Gee, considering your surroundings, I wonder if it possibly might... :rolleyes:
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I fixed a confusion with the triton being listed as FS1 instead ofg the posiden
Also changed Superdestroyer to juggernaut for the coll and added hades under superdestroyer.
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I wasn't sure about some if they were FS1 or FS2.
Now wait a second, the Hades wasn't in FS2!
Who's going to write all these articles without making up fancruft about them?
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The Hades was in Silent Threat. She is also in Fred 2. We can use her to make a stock fs2 campaign. Even though she wasn't in the main fs2 campaign, and had been destroyed years earlier, i think that her being fred and available for us to make new campaigns with is a good reason to have her listed under fs2 as well as ST.
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yeah, i was basing that on the availibility of the ship in game, not it's actual apperance.
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Someone make sure all of this has a spoiler warning. FRED even has one if you look in the right places.
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Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
The Hades was in Silent Threat. She is also in Fred 2. We can use her to make a stock fs2 campaign. Even though she wasn't in the main fs2 campaign, and had been destroyed years earlier, i think that her being fred and available for us to make new campaigns with is a good reason to have her listed under fs2 as well as ST.
By that logic most FS1-only ships should be listed for FS2. I'm talking about ships in the stock campaign.
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most fs1 ships do make an apearance in the game. [V] only took a few out when they did fs2. And we are talking about the availability of ships in stock fred 2. the Apollo isn't listed in FS2 because it isn't in fred 2.
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Added fs2 tag to ulysses.
what about containers, meson bombs, and shivan comm nodes, and nav bouys
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firecrack do you have fs1?
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yes. And may i add that it was trhe best bitrthday present ever.
v Edit, timewarped.
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lol...np, i was going to go through fred and fred 2 for you and list which were available to which, and which were available to both fs1 and fs2....and if you had an ST section...that as well.
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While it's nice to see all this getting written up, it's not really something that belongs in the wikipedia.
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Yeah, that's what our Wiki is for. The Wikipedia is more for general knowledge stuff. That's not something you want turning up randomly in a search.
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Agreed.
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Vasudan designation changes from PV to GV in FS2.
Example:
PVD Hope
GVD Psamtik
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:rolleyes:
Um...yes.
Incidentally, so does the naming conventions; Vasudan destroyers are called the 'Hope', 'Pinnacle', 'Anvil', etc in FS1 but use an egyptian naming scheme in FS2.
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There's detailed articles on nearly everything for Wing Commander on Wikipedia.
Also: I am listing by whether they appear in the stock campaigns for each. The TC-Meson Bomb never actually appears in the game, so it isn't listed at all. I'm only counting ships; containers and comm nodes are not pilotable.
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Originally posted by Luigi30
There's detailed articles on nearly everything for Wing Commander on Wikipedia.
Also: I am listing by whether they appear in the stock campaigns for each. The TC-Meson Bomb never actually appears in the game, so it isn't listed at all. I'm only counting ships; containers and comm nodes are not pilotable.
:wtf: The Meson Bomb appears three times in one mission. Nevermind that it's a critical plot element late in the game.
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The TC-Meson Bomb appears? I thought it only "appeared" as the cargo of various transports.
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The model appears in game, is towed by a transport, and blows up. 2 or 3 times.
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TC- stands for Terran Container, like any other cargo. The TC-Meson bomb is the hollow crate with single Mesonic warhead in the middle, for transport and positioning by a Triton-class freighter. If you have a section on cargo, it should go there, but the Meson bomb is important. Never intended to be a ship though.
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Originally posted by Luigi30
Does it matter?
If you are going to make a Wikipedia entry about it, yes it does.
Moreover, do some research. For one thing, I just added an explanation about the switch from PV to GV in Vasudan ships between FS1 and FS2, because you declared the naming conventions to be the same, ignoring this very large change. Secondly, I notice that a bunch of your ship entries report falsely about which games a ship is in.
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so my question is...if someone wants to do something with the hades...where do you point them? cause it didn't appear in either campaign. Neither did the Ganymede.
If I may offer some advice, go by fred, not by your memory. I am not trying to sound rude, but if you do this, then the vets won't have to clean up after you when you make mistakes. You're new, and wanting to do things, and that rocks. But be patient, and learn to do them right, and learn to do research before you do things. You'll find a much warmer crowd at HLP, and you'll know what you are doing and talking about. It's a good system.
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It's also always a good idea to post potential entries here before updating the Wikipedia. This community's knowledge of the Freespace universe could probably fill several books, and it's an indespensible resource for this type of work.
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As someone above said, Wikipedia is a general knowledge repository. It should not go into detail about what's in the campaign files, FRED, or the like. It should say what's used in the main campaign.
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Notice my wording: I used "universe" for a reason. Such a snappy answer for a guy who missed the Meson warheads...and I thought you wanted help?
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Excellent Wiki article :yes:
But ship list is still incomplete :nod: Missing some FS1 ships: SF Scorpion, GVB Amun, another shivan bomber (don't remember the name)
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SB Shaitan?
I have to be honest, I'm not sure what the benefit of having a ship list is......
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I don't want every ship being listed for FS1 and FS2 because they're in FRED.
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http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/fsdoc/
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This topic's turned into nothing but a giant flame war.
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You're imagining things.
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^indeed
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Originally posted by Luigi30
This topic's turned into nothing but a giant flame war.
These people are trying to help you. You cannot begin a ship list, and then only include things you feel like including. That's lazy, and irresponsible.
That said, It's the PVB Amun, not GVB, just to clarify the post made by another member.
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if the wikipedia is for general use, why have the specifics of which ships are available only to the campaign? maybe that information doesn't belong in there at all. Maybe it belongs in the Freespace wiki
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Well, that's my point. If you are going to actually include a ships list, though, make it complete and accurate.
Currently, the FS wiki isn't even accurate. People keep adding fluff to the pages and making thins up as they go along.
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And yet, when I go to add relevant and useful information, I can't edit a page for anything.
The ship list has some notable omissions, namely the Anubis and the Scorpion. I could be wrong, but I think the ****an is missing too. But I still say that it doesn't belong on the Wikipedia.
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Shaitan....not ****an (****tin?) :lol:
And i didn't realize that this had turned into a flamewar, if i had you can rest assured either Raa or I would have locked the thread by now.
I think that because it seems like we are not giving the expected advice, but instead advising you into a new direction, it seems that we are flaming you. We aren't. if there is one thing i can say HLP, it's that no one ever says "No (insert name), tell us how you REALLY feel." Because we will tell you how we really feel the first time. I don't agree with what you are doing or how you are doing it, but at the same time, I won't try to stop you, I will however try to guide you, as will the rest of the people who answered this thread. Trust in the fact that we are not flaming you.
You are new, and your knowledge is base. You have a strong base of things Freespace, but you are missing a few key points of knowledge. That's all we are saying. I know how easy it is to read something with an angry voice, when in fact it was not written with one...i make that mistake all the time. Go back and reread without hearing anger in our words, and you may see where we are coming from. :)
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Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
Shaitan....not ****an (****tin?) :lol:
What, I can't be to blame if I'm to lazy to look up how it's actually spelled :p
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Now you sound like Cobra... :shaking:
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Originally posted by Raa
Now you sound like Cobra... :shaking:
Gaah! It's scary because it's true! :shaking:
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I'm just trying to say that Wikipedia isn't a resource for FREDing, therefore it should only list which ships actually exist in the main campaign, not hidden deep in the data files (GVFr Bes, I'm looking at you).
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Why should it list the ships at all, is our question.
For a ships list, refer them o our wiki, and then to our forum.
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i agree with Raa. That would be the better course, i think that the ship's list is too specific a bit of info for the General wiki.
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Originally posted by Luigi30
I'm just trying to say that Wikipedia isn't a resource for FREDing, therefore it should only list which ships actually exist in the main campaign, not hidden deep in the data files (GVFr Bes, I'm looking at you).
You should include them all, because these ships are still part of the freespace universe, and you can find them in user-made campaigns. It isn't in the main campaign? All the more reason to tell people about it! Sure, it isn't about FREDing, but these ships, even if they aren't used in the main campaign (which is actually fairly short when compared to some of Blaise Russel's superb campaigns), are still offical Fs2 ships.
:v: put these in there for us to use in our campaigns. Again, they are still official Fs2 ships. If we're going to make a Fs2 ship-list, it should be for all ships, especially since Fs2 has been out for such a long time. I purchased the game when it first came out, and frankly, I've played so many excellent user-made campaigns, some even more fun than the main campaign, that I don't care what ships are used in the main campaign. I'd rather see all the offical ships, not just your preferences.
I understand you're new, and many of the Fs2 ships may be new to you, but I think the majority of us would rather see them *all* included, rather than just some of them, if it should be done at all.
By the way, none of this was meant as flaming. Rather, it was meant as constructive critism. We don't want to insult you, or drive you away. Stay while, luigi. :)
o our wiki
Ours is currently incomplete. But I agree. Since luigi30 seems to want to do his own personal thing for himself, we should finish our wiki...which probably should have been done a long time ago. :D
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I was about to quote you and tell you to help finish it. I have addded, and fixed some of the entries, but I've not the patience to do it all.
And sadly, those who do have the patience, cannot edit the wiki.
So, Kara, if you do have alot of info to add to it, PM it to me, and I will add it, since it seems to work for me. :)
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I just fixed the ship lists and added some stuff to the main page.
Speaking of which, april fools for wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Britannica_takeover_of_Wikimedia) :D
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lolzorz!
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Originally posted by Raa
That said, It's th'PVB Amun, not GVB, just t'clarify th'post made by another member.
ups...of course :nervous: