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Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Primus on April 14, 2005, 06:40:15 pm: Yes. Here:
Forum (http://www.game-warden.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=52) & Site (http://www.game-warden.com/HegeFree/)

It's called FreeSpace: Hegemonia. The engine we're going to use is UT2004. The work has just begun, so we don't have anything to show right now.

Why UT2004? It is more powerfull and easier to work with than the Doom engine, which was the first choice for an engine. And UT2004 has built-in support for flying. ;7

The weapon range is from assault rifles to grenades.

The Hegemonia takes places during the NTF Rebellion. But the story is still WIP, so things might change.

Story and mission planning is covered. What we are looking is an animator and skinner.

Questions, anyone?

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Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: WMCoolmon on April 14, 2005, 06:52:57 pm: How do you beam-free-all!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!?!?!!?

Also, will you need the full version of UT2004 to play, or just the demo?
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Primus on April 14, 2005, 06:54:10 pm: You should know that there's a SEXP for that. :p

And you need the full version.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Jetmech Jr. on April 14, 2005, 09:01:43 pm: I simply love the site. Too bad I won't be able to play it.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Primus on April 15, 2005, 01:05:13 am: What site? The Hege site?? It's awful. :p New one is under construction.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: n00by on April 15, 2005, 07:07:44 am: Well...sounds really good. Let's hope you'll find the staff to complete the project.

BTW, the site is not bad....why do you need a new one?
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Charismatic on April 15, 2005, 04:36:34 pm: Any way i can help? I support this.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: vyper on April 15, 2005, 05:03:37 pm: UT2K4? Awesomeness, altho I'd still prefer Source.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Ransom on April 15, 2005, 05:18:15 pm: Doesn't Source support flying vehicles?

Oh well. I won't be able to play it anyway.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Primus on April 15, 2005, 05:25:14 pm: What the Hegemonia project needs, is a good skin and animation man.

[EDIT] Why new site? I don't know, but I bet it has something to do with the first line of my sig.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: willy_principal on April 16, 2005, 12:11:37 am: You got my support, man.
I spreading the news here in Argentina...and found 2 or 3 fans that are also supporting the idea...
Let's see if i can get you some staffmembers...
what do you need?
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Gai Daigoji on April 16, 2005, 03:23:17 pm: Quote
Originally posted by willy_principal
You got my support, man.
I spreading the news here in Argentina...and found 2 or 3 fans that are also supporting the idea...
Let's see if i can get you some staffmembers...
what do you need?

Good skinner and model animator (More so on the animator part if you want to fight Shivans.....;7 perhaps I've said to much)
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Charismatic on April 16, 2005, 07:04:14 pm: [Unrelated quick catch] Primus, a possible error in ur sig, "Proxima Fleet - A Babylon 5 RPG Club - Site & Forums" The "Site" is not a link, as i beleive you wanted. Sorry for the irrevelance.[/Unrelated quick cathch]
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Primus on April 16, 2005, 07:14:12 pm: Thanks :) But I know. The site is not done yet. And don't ask why there's a 'link' to it in my sig...
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: willy_principal on April 16, 2005, 07:59:37 pm: WIP?
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Primus on April 16, 2005, 08:24:59 pm: The B5 Club site is WIP. But enough of off-topic. :)
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Ghost on April 16, 2005, 08:29:47 pm: EEEEEEE!!!! Can't wait... My bro has UT2k4 in his room, so I'll be able to play this... Estimated time to a playable beta?
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Primus on April 16, 2005, 08:33:43 pm: Can't say yet. Currently, we're writing the story, planning missions and looking for animator and skinner. And Swamp should be doing some models. :p
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Charismatic on April 17, 2005, 04:51:35 am: (Work In Progress, perhaps?)
Uh, need a nother person for developeing story?
If so, i might look into it if i have time..
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Primus on April 17, 2005, 06:00:05 am: That area is covered pretty good. But I'll talk with Gai and Swamp if we need more story writers. :)

EDIT
We don't need more story writers.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: willy_principal on April 17, 2005, 01:31:50 pm: What the hell is "WIP"?
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Gai Daigoji on April 17, 2005, 02:21:17 pm: Quote
Originally posted by willy_principal
What the hell is "WIP"?

WIP = Work In Progress :)
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Primus on April 17, 2005, 03:28:28 pm: Quote
Originally posted by willy_principal
What the hell is "WIP"?

And Charismatic already answered to that.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Charismatic on April 17, 2005, 04:16:07 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Charismatic
(Work In Progress, perhaps?)

:rolleyes:

Edit: Ok, thanks anyways, Pirmus.:)
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: karajorma on April 17, 2005, 05:52:40 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Primus

And Charismatic already answered to that.

True but the timewarp moved it above the question so it was easy to miss :)
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: FelixMajor on April 21, 2005, 08:54:25 pm: Cool, I'm for sure gonna play this one, I still need to download ut04 again, stupid harddrive gave out on me
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Blitzerland on April 21, 2005, 09:04:19 pm: Quote
I still need to download ut04 again

So he's a spammer, and a filthy warez-user.

Although as NightHammer has aptly pointed out, it doesn't really matter here. I've spent way too much time at HeavenGames.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Night Hammer on April 21, 2005, 09:07:28 pm: blitz, chill, you can talk to half the people on this board who have erm... "borrowed" software, im by no means defending him, but just watch where you throw accusations
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Windrunner on April 22, 2005, 02:17:45 pm: allright cool it, nobody needs to pretend that they never did download something, but as you know we can't talk about warez on these forums. FelixMajor i've seen some of your post, and if don't stop flaming other people you will be banned.

And keep this thread ontopic..
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Cobra on April 22, 2005, 07:29:56 pm: dude, i've been waiting for an FS2 1st person shooter for a LONG time. *drool*
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Charismatic on April 22, 2005, 08:23:10 pm: I agree... no flamin.

So, any update on the FPS?
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Blitzerland on April 22, 2005, 08:37:30 pm: Check the forum over at Game Warden, I suppose.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Primus on April 23, 2005, 04:50:35 am: No big updates, sorry. But things are rolling. :p
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Pacinoisthemoon on April 24, 2005, 09:03:59 pm: FYI downloading software is not illegal, it is illegal to host the distribution of the software.

as for the mod, awsome idea, I want it!!!!!
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Cobra on April 25, 2005, 11:40:54 am: are you talking about the distibution of this MOD? it's perfectly legal, dude.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: aldo_14 on April 25, 2005, 12:04:30 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Pacinoisthemoon
FYI downloading software is not illegal, it is illegal to host the distribution of the software.

as for the mod, awsome idea, I want it!!!!!

Downloading is considered illegal AFAIK; IIRC it's considered as similar to stealing or being an accessory to a criminal act.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Primus on April 25, 2005, 12:18:16 pm: That's enough of warez talk in this thread. Please. :)
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Galemp on April 25, 2005, 01:02:39 pm: I seem to remember VolitionWatch hosting this a long time ago, when it was for RedFaction 1... good times.

If anyone knows anything about character modeling, or animation, or texturing, please fix Bob's Vasudan model. :(
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Pacinoisthemoon on May 01, 2005, 10:29:45 pm: aw, but the warez is a fun topic, and no i wasn't talking about the mod, I was talking more around torrents, full games and movies etc

it is not illegal, but that doesn't mean its right, its still wrong.

but you cannot be charged or anything like that for downloading media, its just how it works, like the Finland launch against torrent sites, it was law in Finland, targeting the hosts of large torrent and media distribution sites

Im not telling anyone to do this, although, for yourself there is no harm, unless you are American, there is a chance your isp is monitoring what goes through your connection.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Primus on May 02, 2005, 07:00:00 am: Please, do NOT discuss warez in this thread. Really, enough of that.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Swamp_Thing on May 02, 2005, 09:04:25 am: Quote
Originally posted by Galemp
I seem to remember VolitionWatch hosting this a long time ago, when it was for RedFaction 1... good times.

If anyone knows anything about character modeling, or animation, or texturing, please fix Bob's Vasudan model. :(

What model?
My initial idea was to have vasudans aswell, but because modelling, skinning, and animating a vasudan model was such a pain, i dropped the idea. If we had an already made model, we could give it a second chance, though.
Obviouslly, it needs to be a skeletal mesh, so it can be animated.
Got a link?

Quote
Also, will you need the full version of UT2004 to play, or just the demo?

To play you won´t need anything, as the idea is to release a final stand-alone version (if legal issues allow it). We obviously do need the full version to develop it, though, as only the full version has editor support.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Primus on May 02, 2005, 09:10:05 am: Quote
Originally posted by Swamp_Thing

To play you won´t need anything, as the idea is to release a final stand-alone version (if legal issues allow it). We obviously do need the full version to develop it, though, as only the full version has editor support.

I've obviously missed something. :nervous: But anyway. I think there's legal issues. UT isn't considered abandonware like FS2 is, so there might be an issue releasing Hege as a stand-alone.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Swamp_Thing on May 02, 2005, 12:03:49 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Primus

I've obviously missed something. :nervous: But anyway. I think there's legal issues. UT isn't considered abandonware like FS2 is, so there might be an issue releasing Hege as a stand-alone.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, if you know what Tactical Ops is, you know what i mean. Tactical Ops is a mod using the UT engine. Their first release envolved forcing people to install UT to be able to play. It was their beta, as it is. But later on, they release a stand alone package, that you can install and play without having UT. It was just like any other game, all self contained.
The legal issues are wether doing such a thing is allowed, but Tactical Ops got major media coverage, it got publicized to wazzoo, it even got published as a retail game, and nothing happened to them. Wether they got a special permission to do it, i don´t know. But we can find out.

Tactical Ops is a CounterStrike fac simili, but much better in content. You can get it here:

http://www.tactical-ops.de/ (http://www.tactical-ops.de/)

Read the review at Gamespot:
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/tacticalopsassaultonterror/ (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/tacticalopsassaultonterror/)
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: WMCoolmon on May 02, 2005, 06:10:19 pm: Quote
but you cannot be charged or anything like that for downloading media, its just how it works, like the Finland launch against torrent sites, it was law in Finland, targeting the hosts of large torrent and media distribution sites

No, but I'm pretty sure you can be sued for providing it. And/or get a nice, fat cease and desist letter.

According to US copyright laws, I'm pretty sure that the Freespace universe concept and the Unreal universe concept are both considered intellectual property of their respective companies. For something like UT2004, the companies are obviously going to be much more sensitive to you breaking the copyright on it. Publically distributing the game engine or parts of the art that make it up would most certainly fall under the category of intellectual property.

Now, if you and the server are both based in Finland, its laws would apply; I doubt that the company (Epic, I think) distributing the game would sue everybody who downloaded it, but I doubt they'd sit around and do nothing.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Cobra on May 02, 2005, 06:34:47 pm: i just have one question though. will we need the game itself to run Hegemonia or will this be separate?

i CANNOT for the love of god find an UT2k4 anywhere.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Primus on May 03, 2005, 04:37:21 am: For the LOVE of god, Cobra! Read the thread. We're currently discussing about that. And I'm sure that UT2004 can be found in stores. Or at eBay.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Slanker_MT on May 03, 2005, 08:31:08 am: And by god, please... realize that it will take at least a year to complete this thing, more likely two or three years. :rolleyes:
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: aldo_14 on May 03, 2005, 08:40:59 am: Quote
Originally posted by Cobra
i just have one question though. will we need the game itself to run Hegemonia or will this be separate?

i CANNOT for the love of god find an UT2k4 anywhere.

:doubt:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002VKQFG/qid=1115127592/sr=8-2/ref=pd_csp_2/002-9065179-5944821?v=glance&s=videogames&n=507846
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002VRP82/qid=1115127592/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-9065179-5944821?v=glance&s=software&n=507846

That was easy......
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Cobra on May 03, 2005, 02:31:17 pm: i'm not allowed to order online. privacy issues, don't ask.
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Gai Daigoji on May 03, 2005, 03:54:47 pm: As Swamp_Thing stated, we plan to release this as stand alone so you WONT need Unreal 2004 to play. :)
Title: A FreeSpace FPS?
Post by: Cobra on May 03, 2005, 06:18:41 pm: *whew*